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Talk to me about your read on Tumblewood. You said he could be mafia, why? | ||
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First thing is that he came out of me - sicklucker argument looking wayyyyyy better than Calix did. Basically Tumblewood had a clear view of hos wthings went and he was actually trying to do something instead of calling posts bad. Secondly i do not think both mafia attack me like that, since usually that never happens. Anddd it's a slippery slope since i usually get more accurate reads from the arguments towards the people who i am NOT arguing about (like here it would be not sicklucker but instead Calix and Tumble). The third thing is the whole townread on Calix he got from the argument doesn't make any sense if they are mafia together since you'd know that's a very shitty read - and you can get called out for it. I think it is just way more likely he saw Calix "mindmelding" with him and thought it makes her town. | ||
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On April 08 2017 09:36 Tumblewood wrote: no reason for me to still be voting rels. shapelog vs calix is a tossup imo, given that calix can't be bothered to show up as soon as she's scumread. but I'll stick back on shape for now because I doubt town!shape clears himself later more likely than town!calix Actually this is a very very bad post. | ||
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Like the post has nothing to do with who is mafia and who is not, it's a cheap way to decide where to place your vote without and actual reasoning. | ||
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On April 07 2017 01:24 Shapelog wrote: Well lets move on from this then (since this is a stalemate) Outside of Calix world, how do you feel about the rest of the pot. On April 07 2017 05:20 Shapelog wrote: Indeed she doesn't. You can infer she has a issue with Koshi, but that is it in reads. BTDT read went away after the misunderstanding post and then the koshi stuff started. Not enough to flip my view on her though, especially with the time. On April 07 2017 05:50 Shapelog wrote: Wow i'm slow. It actually took Darth's comment about the reads for me to figure out the majority of koshi's stance/points. I see what he means with the suck up thing, but i fully agree still with it. The other stuff does make some sense now looking at it. Does actually help clear up koshi's mindset rn for me over calix. On April 07 2017 06:47 Shapelog wrote: I cant now think about the conversation seriously now because im laughing bc im picturing that instead with the posts. How is any of this alignment-indicative? ELI5. It is because it doesn't make any fucking sense. But how does that make it mafia?? Because it doesn't make any fucking sense. So here is the conversation between Shapelog and Koshi about Calix. First post "let's do something else". Other posts "i understand Koshi but it doesn't make Calix mafia". Now let's assume Shapelog believes what he writes there. Then it goes into this: On April 08 2017 02:29 Shapelog wrote: Where I am at kinda. Honestly feel like I am missing something tbh Suddenly Calix is mafia?!?!? That's not what he said before and Calix certainly didn't make any posts to change his mind. So where did the change of mind come from? I know one answer... "I don't wanna look bad if Calix flips but i don't really want her to flip". And this gem: On April 08 2017 03:00 Shapelog wrote: Yeah, after the explanations on the points koshi's had (banana example) and Ryan's I dont mind Calix being lynched. Personally I rather have tumblewood and do think some players are giving him the pass. Rereading time. Read the post where he quotes Koshi's post he is talking about. How is any of this alignment-indicative? ELI5. It is because it doesn't make any fucking sense. But how does that make it mafia?? Because it doesn't make any fucking sense. Not alignment indigative -> It makes her mafia for no apparent reason. Basically tho totally different outcomes from a same post. Very likely mafia. Furthermore somewhere between there i made a post where i wrote very clearly what Koshi meant and took it even further by backing it up with some other things as well. Shapelog never touches the case, never talks about it, never. Then he places a vote on Tumblewood for this: On April 08 2017 03:16 Shapelog wrote: #Vote: Tumblewood Like I said I am fine with either or. I just prefer tumblewood over Calix at this point. Just looking at his read on you: He keeps stating your bad town, but keeps hedging/options open on you. I think the most damming of it all is the one with the explanation of how righteous you are means a newer scum wouldnt fit you. But then says you are in limbo, after calling you bad town. First of all this is a bad case. Second of all this case is nowhere near as good as the case on Calix. Basically Shapelog's case here is "Tumblewood cannot make a decision on btdt's alignment". That makes Tumblewood mafia? | ||
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Rest of it still stands. | ||
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On April 08 2017 23:47 Shapelog wrote: Depends on how much you think scum!tumble would be willing to agree to posting those posts with calix with. Like i said in the post after the flip, I hate his posts so far but I dont see scum!tumble doing what he did. Perhaps I am reading into the associating of it too much, but I just dont see it after the flip confirming calix as scum. I would think he would be less incline to post what he did or not as much as what he did. Maybe the first one or what not, but due to the timing and thread views on calix, it just doesn't make sense. Your day 1 case on Tumblewood has nothing to do with anything related to Calix' alignment so where did that case go? It doesn't make him mafia anymore? How much did you actually believe in your case on D1 if you're so eager to drop it just because someone else flipped something? | ||
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So yeah, excuse me but i am very suspicious of the strength of your read in the first place on D1. | ||
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He has had original thoughts. "Throw shade on" is just another way of saying "doesn't have a conclusion on players alignment. In a same way i could say you "threw shade" on Tumblewood D1.... Actually considering your read on him now you did that way more than he did, since you never even commited to a vote before Calix was ACTUALLY starting to look like she's getting lynched and after the vote you started convincing Tumblewood that he is mafia (which is literally super dumb in the first place). So there is that. I wasn't talking about pre-association. I was talking about the fact that your read changes based on stuff that should not affect the read at all because based on your case on Tumble, nothing Calix did means anything regarding Tumble's alignment. Nothing Tumble has done since should change your opinion on him (because he hasn't posted anything since the flip). Basically you are evaluating same evidence and coming to a completely different conclusion before. That's not unlikely to come from twon, the unlikeliness comes from the fact you have a 8 page filter, you were active almost all the time, yet you couldn't come to this conclusion earlier and indirectly defended Calix who flipped mafia by calling Tumblewood scum and making a case on him. I don't really understand how this very simple thing is so hard for you to see and why you try to twist it around. | ||
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Ggnore. | ||
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