Liquidmania Qualifier #4 - Page 6

On April 07 2017 20:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm rather serious. I'm already not enjoying this game and it won't be better. It feels like whatever I say to explain stuff, all you guys do is put more questions. You kinda want to scumread me at that point. Maybe you should back off the thread and re-read me without the heat of the discussion, especially the last 5-6 pages of the thread. But then again, that's up to you.

On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.

Like, what is Tumble even doing?

* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless)
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment
* BUT ends up calling me bad town
* one more townread on Shape
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla)

This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right?

Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.

His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push.

Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!"

The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum).

Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour.

well "doing something" at the current state of affairs would mean just to interact with people and drop opinions, right? darth and rels - yeah. We're not in policy range of things yet so... yeah.

Not sure how to proceed from here on. I am not townreading Koshi yet it's not the same as the last game we played, like there it was super obvious to me that he was scum. And I was right. Might've been just luck but it really felt like scum!Koshi. This time around, I'm not sure.

I'd just wish he'd put more effort into explaining stuff.

Calix -- hmm

the whole Calix Koshi Me thing and then with tumbleweed reiterating on it and shape commenting on it - it's of course easy to form a town circle of five but I don't dare to do that. oh and still, can someone explain what this "sucking up to rayn" thing means

. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.

On April 08 2017 02:03 beentheredonethat wrote:

I agree with the last bit - that's why I put a "could be" in front of it. It's hard to back cases up properly without speculating, after all it's a guessing game.

The town circle post came off the idea that if 5 out of 11 people are actively discussing without anyone hiding, it would be a good point to start a town circle. It's a nice idea but I didn't dare to form a town circle for obvious reasons, some of them being scumreads/leans.

nah I'm pretty content with having three reads that I think are right with as little as has happened so far
and what ever happened to that push on koshi

On April 08 2017 01:54 beentheredonethat wrote:

This part is not scummy. A single town read is not alignment indicative. Dropping THREE townreads and placing the vote on the one player where it is the most easy to do so while not doing anything IS alignment indicative. You're misunderstanding my post or misrepresenting it.

And OF COURSE I spend half my post talking about the meta research on Rels thing - because I think it's important. I tried to explain my thought process. You say it's an unimportant post but I find it highly important, especially in the context of the Rels vote. It has no other purpose then to put additional (uncnecessary) justification on his vote. I think this is mafia overjustifying a vote. Voting is mandatory and after all a commitment, and I and others already got called out for pressunring but not voting someone.

On April 08 2017 02:21 beentheredonethat wrote:

That bolded bit is related to my initial push on Koshi, right? If anything, I'd say it's tackling my initial comment on something being pushworthy, so subtly calling me out.

On April 08 2017 03:29 darthfoley wrote:


Well yea it works for me but I think there's only like 3 NA players