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On April 07 2017 19:22 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix? On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about. Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread. However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway). I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here. Then why did she go from "I am going to call it a day and call Calix and Tumble the mafia team" to "Calix is perfect null". WITHOUT Calix posting.
I think you're weighing too much on the list post null but I can understand this. Hmm I think my Calix read simply changed because yesterday, I was content with the result of the conversation but I obviously reealuated at some point.
I don't see how this read change is a big reason to vote me though. Especially since you're voting with sicklucker who you are fighting with currently. But yeah your choice
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On April 07 2017 19:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:18 Koshi wrote:
I am also interested in how you went from Calix meh (after your conversation) to Calix 100% scum (assdsa post) to Calix is perfect null. On April 07 2017 18:41 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 17:10 sicklucker wrote:
Sicklucker
Tumbleweed
calix
koshi
Darthfoley
Rayn
shapelog
beentheredonethat
rels
No. beentheredone
raynpelikoneet
Darthfoley
Rels
Calix
Dumbleweed
Koshi
shapelog
Sicklucker
That should be complete, or am I still forgetting someone She's pretty close to my scum pile, isn't she. SHE IS CLOSER TO YOURSELF THAN YOUR BIGGEST SCUMREAD. And it is fucking bullshit that you have 4 people with 1 red letter but 2 people full green. That doesn't add up. And you are a tunneler and a decent scumhunter. So your play is fucking weird atm.
me
someone else
someone else
calix
the guy I vote for (ie. my biggest scumread)
not sure how Calix is closer to me in your perception there but you'll have a reason for it. I actually regret posting that list now.
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On April 07 2017 19:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:27 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:22 Koshi wrote:On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix? On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about. Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread. However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway). I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here. Then why did she go from "I am going to call it a day and call Calix and Tumble the mafia team" to "Calix is perfect null". WITHOUT Calix posting. I think you're weighing too much on the list post null but I can understand this. Hmm I think my Calix read simply changed because yesterday, I was content with the result of the conversation but I obviously reealuated at some point. I don't see how this read change is a big reason to vote me though. Especially since you're voting with sicklucker who you are fighting with currently. But yeah your choice I am not fighting with sicklucker. I am having fun with him. It has nothing to do with this game. I think sicklucker is null and I have said that multiple times. Try to not say incorrect things please. That annoys me. Again. Why can't you find mafia this game? And don't give me the "I have no time" "I am not invested as I should be" etc because that are the feelings you have as mafia. And not as town. Why can't you find mafia? Or why are you not letting us help you find mafia? All these things.
Whelp, but I'm doing it: + Show Spoiler +On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.
Like, what is Tumble even doing?
* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless)
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment
* BUT ends up calling me bad town
* one more townread on Shape
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla)
This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right?
Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.
His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push.
Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!"
The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum).
Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour.
On April 07 2017 19:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:28 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:25 Koshi wrote:On April 07 2017 19:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:18 Koshi wrote:
I am also interested in how you went from Calix meh (after your conversation) to Calix 100% scum (assdsa post) to Calix is perfect null. On April 07 2017 18:41 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 17:10 sicklucker wrote:
Sicklucker
Tumbleweed
calix
koshi
Darthfoley
Rayn
shapelog
beentheredonethat
rels
No. beentheredone
raynpelikoneet
Darthfoley
Rels
Calix
Dumbleweed
Koshi
shapelog
Sicklucker
That should be complete, or am I still forgetting someone She's pretty close to my scum pile, isn't she. SHE IS CLOSER TO YOURSELF THAN YOUR BIGGEST SCUMREAD. And it is fucking bullshit that you have 4 people with 1 red letter but 2 people full green. That doesn't add up. And you are a tunneler and a decent scumhunter. So your play is fucking weird atm. me someone else someone else calix the guy I vote for (ie. my biggest scumread) not sure how Calix is closer to me in your perception there but you'll have a reason for it. I actually regret posting that list now. See. That is what I mean. I have 1 red letter. And you are as m33k towards me like a little puppy. And I have as scummy as the person you are voting for. Nothing adds up with you this game. Nothing.
I think there are quite a lot of things that add up. I'm also helping to explain some of the things that people apparently do not understand. I strongly recommend to get off of that list post. Don't bite into a list of names that I put up, instead focus on the actual contents of my posts. You are totally stuck on red letters and what not, although the main purpose I put that list up for was to show that I am not agreeing with sicklucker's reads. As I said previously, I should've explained better.
On April 07 2017 19:31 Koshi wrote:
I can blatantly lie and push that lie to scumread you and you defend against the lie...
What?
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On April 07 2017 19:34 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.
Like, what is Tumble even doing?
* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless)
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment
* BUT ends up calling me bad town
* one more townread on Shape
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla)
This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right?
Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.
His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push.
Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!"
The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum).
Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour.
getting sick townreads apparently
can you please shut your fucking mouth
you react to my huge post with this bullshit you're exceptionally fucking bad if you're town or your scum right away
really go fuck yourself
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On April 07 2017 19:33 sicklucker wrote:
beentheredonethat can you explain any of your mafia reads im kind of surprised you have so many looking at your list. maybe start with myself
haha no go fuck yourself
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On April 07 2017 19:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:35 sicklucker wrote:On April 07 2017 19:33 Koshi wrote:On April 07 2017 19:32 sicklucker wrote:
lynch beentheredonethat then one of shape and rels
GET ME OUT :D town!Calix her conversation with a mafia!btdt MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. You somewhat know who Calix is right? meta? no? looked townie unless shes a notorious busser How? How? How the fuck did she buss btdt if she 2 times within 4 posts denieing for "going after him" and "scumreading him" and then in the next 5 posts tries to end the conversation 4 times? Are you for fucking real?
Exactly this, Koshi.
Koshi's behaviour, his push on me and also this post let's me think he's town. This doesn't feel like drive-by scum-Koshi that I am used to from hosting and playing.
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On April 07 2017 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am curious why btdt does respond to Koshi but not to me.
I probably missed your post. What do you want me to answer?
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On April 07 2017 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix? On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about. Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread. However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway). I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here. Why did you ever townread her?
This one? Probably meta. I remember Calix being very active and aggressive as town. No one-liners, instead she has a habit of thoroughly explaining herself. It's a bit like I have it with disformation, whenever this guy enters the game, I tend to townread him. It's probably weird.
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On April 07 2017 19:38 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am curious why btdt does respond to Koshi but not to me. or me
that's because you don't make sense, are annoying, and I just get frustrated talking to you. Your answer to my tumbleweed post completely disqualified you from interacting with me anytime soon and I'm glad to see you removed from the game.
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On April 07 2017 19:40 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:38 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:36 Koshi wrote:On April 07 2017 19:35 sicklucker wrote:On April 07 2017 19:33 Koshi wrote:On April 07 2017 19:32 sicklucker wrote:
lynch beentheredonethat then one of shape and rels
GET ME OUT :D town!Calix her conversation with a mafia!btdt MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. You somewhat know who Calix is right? meta? no? looked townie unless shes a notorious busser How? How? How the fuck did she buss btdt if she 2 times within 4 posts denieing for "going after him" and "scumreading him" and then in the next 5 posts tries to end the conversation 4 times? Are you for fucking real? Exactly this, Koshi. Koshi's behaviour, his push on me and also this post let's me think he's town. This doesn't feel like drive-by scum-Koshi that I am used to from hosting and playing. If you think I am town now. Start looking into Calix more. I need you to have a strong stance on her. Well documented. Well argumantated.
I can't deliver that right now.The status quo of Calix is what happened yesterday, and I'd say it's a scumlean on her right now. It's not enough for me to join a wagon over tumble.
Also I dislike how my points on tumble just got completely under the radar, would love if you guys could pick them up, too.
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On April 07 2017 19:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:42 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:40 Koshi wrote:On April 07 2017 19:38 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:36 Koshi wrote:On April 07 2017 19:35 sicklucker wrote:On April 07 2017 19:33 Koshi wrote:On April 07 2017 19:32 sicklucker wrote:
lynch beentheredonethat then one of shape and rels
GET ME OUT :D town!Calix her conversation with a mafia!btdt MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. You somewhat know who Calix is right? meta? no? looked townie unless shes a notorious busser How? How? How the fuck did she buss btdt if she 2 times within 4 posts denieing for "going after him" and "scumreading him" and then in the next 5 posts tries to end the conversation 4 times? Are you for fucking real? Exactly this, Koshi. Koshi's behaviour, his push on me and also this post let's me think he's town. This doesn't feel like drive-by scum-Koshi that I am used to from hosting and playing. If you think I am town now. Start looking into Calix more. I need you to have a strong stance on her. Well documented. Well argumantated. I can't deliver that right now.The status quo of Calix is what happened yesterday, and I'd say it's a scumlean on her right now. It's not enough for me to join a wagon over tumble. Also I dislike how my points on tumble just got completely under the radar, would love if you guys could pick them up, too. Because we need to grill you first and then maybe accept your points. I am looking in your filter now.
But then do it D1 instead of dragging it out to some frustrating point where I'm like "hey I have good ideas but because of my D1, you lynch me"
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On April 07 2017 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:22 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 07 2017 19:11 beentheredonethat wrote:
Regarding Koshi's vote on me: I think Koshi is interpreting way too much into my asdasdkjlkajsdlkasjdl thing. It shouldn't, especially in light of everything else I do, justify a vote. Not only am I present in thread, participate in a good way (with maybe flawed results), but also I am very open to discussions and dropping quite hard opinions on people. I tend to be absolutely inactive or super-bussy as scum and I don't think I'm replicating this meta here (which ofc is no 100% proof of me being town).
Also, there was this one game where I was lynched because I claimed doc vs. the actual cop or something (nomination for worst play of 2017 included) and I think if you just skim my low volume filter there you'll find a lot of similarities to my current filter.
I'm not willing to promise I'll improve but I am willing to promise that I'll try to improve. Feels bad to have thread consensus being "btdt is bad town" and it's also not really motivating to put more effort in, but then again it's my own fault.
Dude. I don't think anyone is bad town by default. At least i am trying to understand how you get into the conclusions you do. Just try to explain yourself if you're town. First of all could you answer me in what i asked you about your read progression on Calix? It's around p3-4 in my filter. The bad town thing comes from Calix and also Tumblewood (and someone else? dunno right now) I've answered the Calix thing. If this is your final answer then you're mafia. Because you had a town read on Calix 100% at some point. Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix? On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about. Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread. However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway). I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here. And this read progression doesn't have it.
Then I should add that I do think a Calix pushing people D1 is a town Calix. You're really fast with those 100% mafia things, Rayn. It might just be that someone made a mistake or is bad at explaining stuff.
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On April 07 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 07 2017 19:22 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 07 2017 19:11 beentheredonethat wrote:
Regarding Koshi's vote on me: I think Koshi is interpreting way too much into my asdasdkjlkajsdlkasjdl thing. It shouldn't, especially in light of everything else I do, justify a vote. Not only am I present in thread, participate in a good way (with maybe flawed results), but also I am very open to discussions and dropping quite hard opinions on people. I tend to be absolutely inactive or super-bussy as scum and I don't think I'm replicating this meta here (which ofc is no 100% proof of me being town).
Also, there was this one game where I was lynched because I claimed doc vs. the actual cop or something (nomination for worst play of 2017 included) and I think if you just skim my low volume filter there you'll find a lot of similarities to my current filter.
I'm not willing to promise I'll improve but I am willing to promise that I'll try to improve. Feels bad to have thread consensus being "btdt is bad town" and it's also not really motivating to put more effort in, but then again it's my own fault.
Dude. I don't think anyone is bad town by default. At least i am trying to understand how you get into the conclusions you do. Just try to explain yourself if you're town. First of all could you answer me in what i asked you about your read progression on Calix? It's around p3-4 in my filter. The bad town thing comes from Calix and also Tumblewood (and someone else? dunno right now) I've answered the Calix thing. If this is your final answer then you're mafia. Because you had a town read on Calix 100% at some point. On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix? On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about. Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread. However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway). I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here. And this read progression doesn't have it. Then I should add that I do think a Calix pushing people D1 is a town Calix. You're really fast with those 100% mafia things, Rayn. It might just be that someone made a mistake or is bad at explaining stuff.
That's again misunderstandable. Gosh.
Basically I thought Calix is town but wrong when she started pushing me. Then, the rest of the read developed. Judge that however you want, I know I'm town and you have to guess based on what I say so who am I to judge your judgement 
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On April 07 2017 19:53 sicklucker wrote:
hes literraly trying to bait me into a rage quit thats the only way his actions are explainable really
If I'd be trying to bait you into a rage quit, I would continue interacting with you. Instead, I am ignoring you. Don't misrepresent what I'm doing.
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On April 07 2017 19:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:In this post: On April 06 2017 20:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:06 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 20:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
Do you think it's worth pushing, Calix? No, I don't. But that's not the point. You clearly think it is. Why does it matter what I think then? Can you not pretend I "clearly" think it is and consider the sentence that comes right after "I think it's worth a push"? Can you also think about why I put "I think" in front of "It's worth a push"? Normally, that means that a person wants to imply a certain level of uncertainty about something. We're both town, right? So we want to help each other out by judging each other's thoughts. So you can either pick up what I say and drop your own opinion, or you can go after me because I do not place a vote on the very first maybe pushable thing that I find when the game is three pages and some hours in. Yup. I flagged that sentence as well. It was soooooooo fucking weird.
It's not weird, not at all.
"We're both town" implies: "we are both arguing from a town perspective" because even if one of us is not town, he will always try to pretend he is. So I said what I think we should do because at that point, I already felt like Calix' push had gone too far and is not based on a solid fundament anymore.
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ok. We've reached a point where any continues discussion with me is not bringing the thread any further. Rayn, Koshi, sicklucker are all scumreading me and I've tried my best to explain what I did and why I did it.
So just lynch me, enjoy my VT flip, and continue the game without my apparently bad contributions.
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On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood. Why is this added in this post. Such a bad start bro. It shows you are refreshing the game but you can't join the conversation, and in the mean time you are typing up a big post and that is something mafia prefers to do. There is also nothing on rayn or sicklucker that helps the thread here
Like, what is Tumble even doing?
* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter NAI
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless) I dislike your interpretation of those posts granted.
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix NAI I'm observing
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment Not true at all. Thread sentiment was against Calixthat's wrong
* BUT ends up calling me bad town So what? there's no commitment to his read. "Here are reasons to scumread him. But I think he's bad town."
* one more townread on ShapeNAI correct, but three townreads and no scum reads while following thread sentiment ARE aligment indicative.
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels Did he? lol. NAI though again, read the below part of my case, Koshi. You're just trying to discredit me here.
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla) spidey senses are town or he is lieing. NAIit's either NAI or town indicative or mafia indicative. You say it's "NAI, or town, or lieing". What the fuck
This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right? I don't understand "I have prepared for reading Rels. I invested time into the game. Then I start this game by making absolutely useless posts that might lead to people scumreading me. I bring a certain "I dont care" factor to the game ALTHOUGH the preparation clearly shows he CARES. What part of that do you not understand?
Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did. I disagreeCool. But I agree. Can you please not throw away a theory in two words?
His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push. Decent point
Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!" I agree with everything you say here. But why would mafia create such a stupid lie?... Just so random.Because mafia might very well feel the need to justify a vote that is completely against what everyone else is doing. "Hey, I dont want to commit to something, so I just vote the AFK guy. But I need an explanation for that". Claiming the preparation doesn't make sense when your next action is voting the guy you prepared for - but it DOES make sense if you feel like you want to gain town points for your vote somehow.
The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum). When having only townreads, voting an afker is not the worst decisionThat's correct but you have to admit that Tumblewood is not exactly commiting on anything which again, is mafia indicative.
Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour. Or trash town behavior. Like... Why is it mafia behavior. He is not looking good at all.Double standards. He is considered trash town, I am considered scum although I'm currently explaining my heart out
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On April 07 2017 20:00 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
ok. We've reached a point where any continues discussion with me is not bringing the thread any further. Rayn, Koshi, sicklucker are all scumreading me and I've tried my best to explain what I did and why I did it.
So just lynch me, enjoy my VT flip, and continue the game without my apparently bad contributions. It is our right to do so. Also, how you interact with us shows me you see us all 3 as "equals". While sl and I were scumreads. Now you already flipped on me (which is nai) but why also sl? Anyway you don't have to defend constantly. Problem is Calix and Shape are not here. And Rels is afk again.
I don't see you as "equals". I see you and rayn as the guys who keep pushing me and sl as the guy who's mad at me and content in voting for me.
Please stop making things up, once more :/
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ah well I lost interest in the game. Even if I am not lynched today, I'll be mislynched D2 or D3 given how this discussion goes anyway. I'd prefer to be the lynch today so you guys can argue about whatever you want.
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I'm rather serious. I'm already not enjoying this game and it won't be better. It feels like whatever I say to explain stuff, all you guys do is put more questions. You kinda want to scumread me at that point. Maybe you should back off the thread and re-read me without the heat of the discussion, especially the last 5-6 pages of the thread. But then again, that's up to you.
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