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Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 17:45 GMT
#691
But honestly tho, I dont know who else would be mafia with tumble. Looking at it roughly:

Rels is a odd ball that hasnt posted anything.
Calix maybe but that has to have certain factors involve with it. Also some weird team behavior.
SL i could see.
BTDT: Bus for life -> keep busing -> even more busing -> OMG what a bus -> reverse bus kill. Don't recall either fond of busing that much.
Rayn maybe.
Koshi's early posts with tumble being confirmed town would be very odd.
Darth maybe.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 17:46 GMT
#692
On April 08 2017 02:43 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi why is Tumble lock town again? Or is he not lock anymore

Ik he considered him on a scum team but ryan made a point to him that tumble wouldnt be mafia i think due ot meta.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 17:47 GMT
#693
let me look at calix really quickly.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 18:00 GMT
#694
Yeah, after the explanations on the points koshi's had (banana example) and Ryan's I dont mind Calix being lynched.

Personally I rather have tumblewood and do think some players are giving him the pass.

Rereading time.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 18:16 GMT
#698
On April 08 2017 03:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
Switching to Calix feels like the easy choice though. Mainly because she isn't around I'm not a big fan. Policy lynch on Rels doesn't feel good, either.

Or, we could consolidate on Tumblewood.

#Vote: Tumblewood
Like I said I am fine with either or. I just prefer tumblewood over Calix at this point.

Just looking at his read on you:
On April 07 2017 00:03 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 19:47 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 06 2017 19:45 Calix wrote:
On April 06 2017 19:44 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 06 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote:
Hey rayn, if you don't mind, I am going for a -20 posts D1, 2-3 posts N1, 5 posts D2 and 2 posts N2. Well, unless mafia shoots me like they did the last 5 nights I was alive.

I will read the first 36 hours of the game and give my opinion. With some luck it is different than the last time.

Koshi please don't say such things they feel scummy


How is that post scummy?

"I will do [whatever]" is always scummy. Don't promise, do.

this is btw one of the worst entrance sequences I have ever seen
- btdt calls koshi scum for making a promise
- (even though koshi basically promised to be lazy and he does that every game)
- btdt says it's worth a push (1 step removed from a promise)
- btdt does not push koshi
but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on being scum for now

On April 07 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.

##vote Tumblewood do something

how bout you do something first and I do something about that something
(I think you are bad town who thinks contributions mean anything. thankfully you are transparent. I think.)

On April 07 2017 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 07 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.

##vote Tumblewood do something

how bout you do something first and I do something about that something
(I think you are bad town who thinks contributions mean anything. thankfully you are transparent. I think.)

The main difference between us two is that I actually do something: I interact with people (i.e. making myself readable), I drop reads, I push here and pressure there, and I try to stay reasonable.

You do nothing.

nah I'm pretty content with having three reads that I think are right with as little as has happened so far
and what ever happened to that push on koshi

On April 07 2017 04:03 Tumblewood wrote:
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On April 07 2017 03:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 06 2017 23:54 Tumblewood wrote:
I feel like a broken clock but I've got a nice mindmeld/townread on calix

On April 07 2017 03:12 Tumblewood wrote:
thinking shape is also town. but that read depends a lot on the progression of the thread


I was able to find two. What's the third?

duh when I called you bad town. you are so righteous

On April 07 2017 14:30 Tumblewood wrote:
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On April 07 2017 14:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
Lynching sicklucker is also fine. Im not thinking hes town.

also my spidey senses are going off on this. *pending further unspecified action*

On April 07 2017 23:25 Tumblewood wrote:
anyway I saw this question from 10 pages ago
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On April 07 2017 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Where did your townread on him come from in the first place (Tumble)?

if you mean btdt, it's because he is super self-righteous even when he is saying something bad and wrong. especially from newer scum I would expect more careful consideration
I am waiting to see what he does next though because he is in limbo right now

On April 07 2017 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
or more like did next...


He keeps stating your bad town, but keeps hedging/options open on you. I think the most damming of it all is the one with the explanation of how righteous you are means a newer scum wouldnt fit you. But then says you are in limbo, after calling you bad town.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 18:18 GMT
#699
On April 08 2017 03:13 darthfoley wrote:
Especially with the shitty deadline for EU time

Deadline for me is 9:30 pm so it works well by the time I have to start a new job next week.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 18:42 GMT
#701
On April 08 2017 03:29 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 03:18 Shapelog wrote:
On April 08 2017 03:13 darthfoley wrote:
Especially with the shitty deadline for EU time

Deadline for me is 9:30 pm so it works well by the time I have to start a new job next week.


Well yea it works for me but I think there's only like 3 NA players

Me, you, Tumblewood (West), BTDT (?), and SL (Canada)
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 18:51 GMT
#702
On April 07 2017 06:01 darthfoley wrote:
Pretty unimpressed with sicklucker but iirc I always find him scummy. His play so far has only really been trolling rayn, and in a 9 person game I would quite appreciate not having to think about PL options

What do you think of his BTDT read/Read List?
On April 07 2017 17:10 sicklucker wrote:
Sicklucker
Tumbleweed
calix
koshi
Darthfoley
Rayn
shapelog
beentheredonethat
rels

Or just in general?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 18:54 GMT
#703
He seems to actually be trying to get other views on me and keep on his btdt read. Tho I feel both his top two townreads are weak within his context for them.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 19:05 GMT
#708
On April 08 2017 04:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Shapelog bugs me. he's kinda bad and wordy/confusing but that's kinda normal for him, but usually when he does that he gets lynched and I don't think that's happening here
he still could be town but I don't really wanna lynch anyone who is not him or rels

So you want to lynch me because others are scum reading me but are not lynching me, which is out of my control?

Because the rest you hedge on.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 19:14 GMT
#717
On April 08 2017 04:08 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 04:05 Shapelog wrote:
On April 08 2017 04:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Shapelog bugs me. he's kinda bad and wordy/confusing but that's kinda normal for him, but usually when he does that he gets lynched and I don't think that's happening here
he still could be town but I don't really wanna lynch anyone who is not him or rels

So you want to lynch me because others are scum reading me but are not lynching me, which is out of my control?

Because the rest you hedge on.

yeah, basically. in theory scum could frame you and I would be none the wiser. but afaik that has never happened ever so idc

Scum actually have accidentally framed me before.

Also ok...you do that. You go ahead and lynch me bc of something that has nothing to do with me and has to do with others actions on me.
On April 08 2017 04:10 Tumblewood wrote:
it sounds bad but it is the only way I have had success reading shape

How many times have you lynched me when I was scum?

Also, feel like this is you rn:
[image loading]
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 19:17 GMT
#718
Can you explain the reason why you are voting Rels other then what I assume is afk reasons?

What are your other reads other than now BTDT? How have they progressed?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 19:26 GMT
#720
On April 08 2017 04:18 Tumblewood wrote:
shiiiiiit all my vote logic falls apart unless we know what alignment rels is
I could believe 6/7 people posting are town
tomorrow

isnt the point of voting logic figuring out people's alignment based off the votes?

Regardless if rels votes or not or knowing his alignment, Why cant you do vote logic?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 19:38 GMT
#721
On April 08 2017 04:07 beentheredonethat wrote:
What's really bad though is that Tumblewood says that Shapelog bugs him. That's exactly how I would express my current stance on him, he's a bit too nice to be real, isn't he.

Koshi let go of pressuring me, too. Ironically enough that bothers me, too. He's also not really convincing anyone of doing a thing. And the 96 hours absence really bothers me; not a big fan. If I'd be a host, I'd pretty much try to get a replacement or modkill since my voting law says "mandatory to vote". I don't know how Koshi will not be dead after let's say 48+24 hours.

Koshi why did you sign up if you knew you'd be gone for so long?


Already asked him but I think he is with his lover

This is me btw trying to figure out wtf just happen with tumble:
[image loading]
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 20:01 GMT
#723
On April 08 2017 04:51 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 04:26 Shapelog wrote:
On April 08 2017 04:18 Tumblewood wrote:
shiiiiiit all my vote logic falls apart unless we know what alignment rels is
I could believe 6/7 people posting are town
tomorrow

isnt the point of voting logic figuring out people's alignment based off the votes?

Regardless if rels votes or not or knowing his alignment, Why cant you do vote logic?

I think you can usually figure out whether the lynch is on town or scum in the hour before, based on wagon logic
if there is only one active scum that goes down the drain

I disagree strongly,

Yes you typically can guess one hour before flip in some cases, but in this one. We only have 2 mafia. So if Rels is mafia, there is still one mafia who is either afk OR actively misleading town.

If you assume that Rels is mafia, and suspect one person is actively misleading town, then you still have one person actively misleading town. The fact that Rel's is afk makes no difference to the fact that that person is still messing up town. Therefore, you can still do voting logic I.E. looking at when someone vote. Who took what wagon etc.

Saying you cant find the other person (or I guess in your case, make more points against me) is far from reality.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 20:03 GMT
#724
EWOP:
Saying you cant use it to find the other person [...]
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 20:12 GMT
#727
On April 08 2017 05:06 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 05:01 Shapelog wrote:
On April 08 2017 04:51 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 08 2017 04:26 Shapelog wrote:
On April 08 2017 04:18 Tumblewood wrote:
shiiiiiit all my vote logic falls apart unless we know what alignment rels is
I could believe 6/7 people posting are town
tomorrow

isnt the point of voting logic figuring out people's alignment based off the votes?

Regardless if rels votes or not or knowing his alignment, Why cant you do vote logic?

I think you can usually figure out whether the lynch is on town or scum in the hour before, based on wagon logic
if there is only one active scum that goes down the drain

I disagree strongly,

Yes you typically can guess one hour before flip in some cases, but in this one. We only have 2 mafia. So if Rels is mafia, there is still one mafia who is either afk OR actively misleading town.

If you assume that Rels is mafia, and suspect one person is actively misleading town, then you still have one person actively misleading town. The fact that Rel's is afk makes no difference to the fact that that person is still messing up town. Therefore, you can still do voting logic I.E. looking at when someone vote. Who took what wagon etc.

Saying you cant find the other person (or I guess in your case, make more points against me) is far from reality.

if rels is mafia then the mafia have as much thread pull as one townie. they cannot really decide wagons. if there are two active mafia, they can work together to make sure the lynch is neither of them, and unless they fold hard (unlikely given the quality of players) that will probably be true at deadline. unfortunately I can't make a read based on that if there is a 25% chance it's not true

Too each their own i suppose. I personally consider other factors as the mafia being town read and having townies on their side in the thread and the abilty to lead a sole counter wagon during EoD due to cred or just through a townies mistake, etc. And even with one person, a idea can spread and infect other townies given a few hours of set up.

Do you have any reads other than the ones you stated already?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 20:13 GMT
#728
On April 08 2017 05:09 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 05:03 Shapelog wrote:
EWOP:
Saying you cant use it to find the other person [...]

the point is not to find the other person. (not before the flip, anyway.) the point is I feel super badass whenever I use wagon logic to call a lynch, and theoretically we could even switch off town to scum

Are we just talking about wagon logic or Voting logic? Bc when you say voting logic my mind goes to VCA and that jazz?

Also fighting over glory?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 20:25 GMT
#732
On April 08 2017 05:15 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 05:13 Shapelog wrote:
On April 08 2017 05:09 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 08 2017 05:03 Shapelog wrote:
EWOP:
Saying you cant use it to find the other person [...]

the point is not to find the other person. (not before the flip, anyway.) the point is I feel super badass whenever I use wagon logic to call a lynch, and theoretically we could even switch off town to scum

Are we just talking about wagon logic or Voting logic? Bc when you say voting logic my mind goes to VCA and that jazz?

Also fighting over glory?

wagon logic. like, "are the people one this wagon good," and, "are they town," and, "how strongly do they believe in it"
(and the glory thing is why I like doing it. also because votes are less nebulous than tone)

ok then. You said voting logic originally.
On April 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote:
have no qualms about lynching
rels
(shape)

have some qualms about lynching
sl
koshi
(calix)


not lynching today
df
rayn
btdt

Are the bold town leans or?

and:
Can you explain the reason why you are voting Rels other then what I assume is afk reasons?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 07 2017 20:28 GMT
#734
On April 08 2017 05:23 Rels wrote:
yo finally free! Gotta read those pages now

Ça t'a pris suffisamment longtemps. Donnez-moi toutes ces lectures >:D

"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
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