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On April 08 2017 05:01 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 04:51 Tumblewood wrote:On April 08 2017 04:26 Shapelog wrote:On April 08 2017 04:18 Tumblewood wrote:
shiiiiiit all my vote logic falls apart unless we know what alignment rels is
I could believe 6/7 people posting are town
tomorrow isnt the point of voting logic figuring out people's alignment based off the votes? Regardless if rels votes or not or knowing his alignment, Why cant you do vote logic? I think you can usually figure out whether the lynch is on town or scum in the hour before, based on wagon logic if there is only one active scum that goes down the drain I disagree strongly, Yes you typically can guess one hour before flip in some cases, but in this one. We only have 2 mafia. So if Rels is mafia, there is still one mafia who is either afk OR actively misleading town. If you assume that Rels is mafia, and suspect one person is actively misleading town, then you still have one person actively misleading town. The fact that Rel's is afk makes no difference to the fact that that person is still messing up town. Therefore, you can still do voting logic I.E. looking at when someone vote. Who took what wagon etc. Saying you cant find the other person (or I guess in your case, make more points against me) is far from reality.
if rels is mafia then the mafia have as much thread pull as one townie. they cannot really decide wagons. if there are two active mafia, they can work together to make sure the lynch is neither of them, and unless they fold hard (unlikely given the quality of players) that will probably be true at deadline. unfortunately I can't make a read based on that if there is a 25% chance it's not true
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On April 08 2017 05:03 Shapelog wrote:
EWOP:
Saying you cant use it to find the other person [...]
the point is not to find the other person. (not before the flip, anyway.) the point is I feel super badass whenever I use wagon logic to call a lynch, and theoretically we could even switch off town to scum
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On April 08 2017 05:13 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 05:09 Tumblewood wrote:On April 08 2017 05:03 Shapelog wrote:
EWOP:
Saying you cant use it to find the other person [...] the point is not to find the other person. (not before the flip, anyway.) the point is I feel super badass whenever I use wagon logic to call a lynch, and theoretically we could even switch off town to scum Are we just talking about wagon logic or Voting logic? Bc when you say voting logic my mind goes to VCA and that jazz? Also fighting over glory?
wagon logic. like, "are the people one this wagon good," and, "are they town," and, "how strongly do they believe in it"
(and the glory thing is why I like doing it. also because votes are less nebulous than tone)
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have no qualms about lynching
rels
(shape)
have some qualms about lynching
sl
koshi
(calix)
not lynching today
df
rayn
btdt
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oh hey it's rels
(what would I possibly be voting him for other than afkness?)
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On April 08 2017 05:57 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 06:44 Tumblewood wrote:
the worst part of all of this is that I did a bunch of meta research on rels before coming into this game. and now it's all useless. ? First, why are you not keeping that for later when I start posting stuff ? Second, if you really did that research why do you not know that I'm NEVER motivated to play at the beginning of the game ? Lots of game I AFK half of D1 or more.
(re: part 1) I am? I haven't told anyone what my current method of reading you is
(re: part 2) that is not quite true. plus a lot of the time when you afk you give the impression that you have no time to play, not that you are unmotivated
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no reason for me to still be voting rels. shapelog vs calix is a tossup imo, given that calix can't be bothered to show up as soon as she's scumread. but I'll stick back on shape for now because I doubt town!shape clears himself later more likely than town!calix
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rayn it's ok you're getting your lynch anyway
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I'm buying pretty hard into the shapelog/calix mafia team. just seems like the logical solution to the game
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On April 09 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
Tumblewood
raynpelikoneet
koshi
darthfoley
beentheredonethat
Rels
Shapelog
something like that mostly paranoid of rels because hes second no my list as most likely mafia even tho its probably shapelog
yeah this is exactly where I am except sl is somewhere on the list. probably above btdt with like 1 letter colored green
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ez game ez life
##vote shapelog
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although his filter leaves little to work with, I doubt rels is scum because he has put himself in a poor position to get someone else lynched after shapelog. I would expect scum!rels to scumread me and/or (pre-flip) sl so he'd have somewhere to go for the necessary 3 mislynches, and he still has not made 'preparations' in that respect
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flying into London soon. this deadline is about to go from amazing to terrible
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On April 10 2017 14:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 09:36 Tumblewood wrote:
no reason for me to still be voting rels. shapelog vs calix is a tossup imo, given that calix can't be bothered to show up as soon as she's scumread. but I'll stick back on shape for now because I doubt town!shape clears himself later more likely than town!calix I would still like to hear from Tumble that how on earth is this a good reasoning to place a vote on someone over another person.
lynching shapelog *at some point* felt more inevitable, meaning it was less likely to be a wasted lynch. I think you pointed out some vca thing why vote logic said I should always go for calix, and you were probably right, but it turns out that didn't matter anyway.
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On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans?
there are one and a half fatal assumptions here
one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable
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On April 11 2017 00:19 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2017 00:10 Tumblewood wrote:On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans? there are one and a half fatal assumptions here one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable Why is it highly improbable?
idk, it's just one of those things you don't think about as scum. not that you couldn't, just that you don't.
plus it would only be useful if calix flips and town calls it out, which is not easily foreseeable from the first 24 hours
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On April 11 2017 15:19 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote:
have no qualms about lynching
rels
(shape)
have some qualms about lynching
sl
koshi
(calix)
not lynching today
df
rayn
btdt Show nested quote +On April 09 2017 08:20 Tumblewood wrote:On April 09 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
Tumblewood
raynpelikoneet
koshi
darthfoley
beentheredonethat
Rels
Shapelog
something like that mostly paranoid of rels because hes second no my list as most likely mafia even tho its probably shapelog
yeah this is exactly where I am except sl is somewhere on the list. probably above btdt with like 1 letter colored green When did btdt go from "not lynching today" to being in the scummy side of your reads list, and why? Was it simply because he voted off the Calix wagon?
yeah everyone on the calix wagon moved up when she flipped scum. and btdt looks even worse after that shitty i-don't-want-to-vote-shape-but-##vote:shapelog post.
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On April 11 2017 20:51 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2017 19:16 Tumblewood wrote:On April 11 2017 15:19 darthfoley wrote:On April 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote:
have no qualms about lynching
rels
(shape)
have some qualms about lynching
sl
koshi
(calix)
not lynching today
df
rayn
btdt On April 09 2017 08:20 Tumblewood wrote:On April 09 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
Tumblewood
raynpelikoneet
koshi
darthfoley
beentheredonethat
Rels
Shapelog
something like that mostly paranoid of rels because hes second no my list as most likely mafia even tho its probably shapelog
yeah this is exactly where I am except sl is somewhere on the list. probably above btdt with like 1 letter colored green When did btdt go from "not lynching today" to being in the scummy side of your reads list, and why? Was it simply because he voted off the Calix wagon? yeah everyone on the calix wagon moved up when she flipped scum. and btdt looks even worse after that shitty i-don't-want-to-vote-shape-but-##vote:shapelog post. Coming back to this, talking about the first part of your sentence: you're just repeating what Shape said (and what I said), only exchanging names. You're saying "scum is in the people who did not vote for Calix". Which is what everyone said before, some (including me) elaborated more on that, others didn't. Only difference is that you moved me from "don't lynch" to "scum" while moving Rels to the town pile althoug he didn't do anything. Anything. At all. Show nested quote +On April 10 2017 06:59 Tumblewood wrote:
although his filter leaves little to work with, I doubt rels is scum because he has put himself in a poor position to get someone else lynched after shapelog. I would expect scum!rels to scumread me and/or (pre-flip) sl so he'd have somewhere to go for the necessary 3 mislynches, and he still has not made 'preparations' in that respect How has Rels "put himself into a position" when the lynch was very clearly on Shapelog? There was no way to not have the lynch on Shape D2. And Rels continued not playing over the course of D2, so how do you imply any sort of activity here? You're basically saying "Rels did nothing but I townread him now because Shape flipped and Rels had nothing to do with Shape flipping" and use this to finalize your scumread on me. It just doesn't make sense.
>.<
maybe "does enough things" is a bad and arbitrary way to measure rowdiness frequently not even indicating alignment
and maybe scum would put themselves in a position to start pushing a different townie after a mislynch by having them as a secondary scumread
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On April 12 2017 16:29 Koshi wrote:
Tumble and Rels , can you both please make a case on each other?
like, on why he's scum? you're gonna have to convince me first, because I'm only like 50% sure
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what do you mean my read change was never explained? when calix flipped scum everyone on her wagon went up and everyone else went a little down. someone even asked me about it and I said that's why
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