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I'll be back in an hour or two
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Lastly: I feel much better about koshi than I did earlier. Been way more town in the last 12-16 hours
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On April 08 2017 01:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
I will be mislynched anyways. There's no way to circumvent this. As we're all split anyways on 100 wagons, I suppose we simply lynch me right now. Then you don't have to argue about me being town or not.
I really don't understand your line of thinking. Stop being so woe is me dude. You aren't even the top vote getter ATM yet oh make it sound like you have 7 votes for you.
I do think the wagons need to be more solidified though cuz 2-1-1-1-1 is fuckey
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On April 08 2017 01:54 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 22:24 darthfoley wrote:On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.
Like, what is Tumble even doing?
* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless)
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment
* BUT ends up calling me bad town
* one more townread on Shape
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla)
This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right?
Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.
His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push.
Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!"
The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum).
Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour.
This part is scummy. You say something he does is NAI the. Proceed to use it as reasoning to scum read TW. Either it's AI or it isn't-- but it makes no sense to claim that it's NAI then use it for AI purposes. Feels like shit clinging to me. Also spends half his post talking about this "meta research on Rels thing" like it's actually an important post. Words to say words Btdt hath been downgraded This part is not scummy. A single town read is not alignment indicative. Dropping THREE townreads and placing the vote on the one player where it is the most easy to do so while not doing anything IS alignment indicative. You're misunderstanding my post or misrepresenting it. And OF COURSE I spend half my post talking about the meta research on Rels thing - because I think it's important. I tried to explain my thought process. You say it's an unimportant post but I find it highly important, especially in the context of the Rels vote. It has no other purpose then to put additional (uncnecessary) justification on his vote. I think this is mafia overjustifying a vote. Voting is mandatory and after all a commitment, and I and others already got called out for pressunring but not voting someone.
I'm not misrepresenting you. You were specifically talking about his town read of Shapelog when you made the NAI comment. What am I missing?
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On April 08 2017 02:24 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote:On April 08 2017 01:54 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 22:24 darthfoley wrote:On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.
Like, what is Tumble even doing?
* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless)
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment
* BUT ends up calling me bad town
* one more townread on Shape
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla)
This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right?
Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.
His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push.
Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!"
The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum).
Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour.
This part is scummy. You say something he does is NAI the. Proceed to use it as reasoning to scum read TW. Either it's AI or it isn't-- but it makes no sense to claim that it's NAI then use it for AI purposes. Feels like shit clinging to me. Also spends half his post talking about this "meta research on Rels thing" like it's actually an important post. Words to say words Btdt hath been downgraded This part is not scummy. A single town read is not alignment indicative. Dropping THREE townreads and placing the vote on the one player where it is the most easy to do so while not doing anything IS alignment indicative. You're misunderstanding my post or misrepresenting it. And OF COURSE I spend half my post talking about the meta research on Rels thing - because I think it's important. I tried to explain my thought process. You say it's an unimportant post but I find it highly important, especially in the context of the Rels vote. It has no other purpose then to put additional (uncnecessary) justification on his vote. I think this is mafia overjustifying a vote. Voting is mandatory and after all a commitment, and I and others already got called out for pressunring but not voting someone. I'm not misrepresenting you. You were specifically talking about his town read of Shapelog when you made the NAI comment. What am I missing? I think: 1 townread (shapelog), standalone, is NAI. 3 townreads, in the context of doing nothing else and voting an AFK, is scummy. More specific: [quote=darthfoley]You say something he does is NAI the. Proceed to use it as reasoning to scum read TW. Either it's AI or it isn't-- but it makes no sense to claim that it's NAI then use it for AI purposes. Feels like shit clinging to me.
I say "Tumblewood townreads Shapelog" as a description of the act that is happening. This action, without context and standalone, is not alignment indicative. But in the context of two more townreads and a AFK vote that is explained in a really weird way, I think it's scum indicative.
Is it clear now?
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Oh okay I actually think this is a better point now. I thought Tumble's entrance was good but i agree that he hasn't really done any memorable shit since. If I can't remember anything someones done, that's a problem
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Koshi why is Tumble lock town again? Or is he not lock anymore
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I don't like that three people haven't voted
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Especially with the shitty deadline for EU time
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On April 08 2017 03:18 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 03:13 darthfoley wrote:
Especially with the shitty deadline for EU time Deadline for me is 9:30 pm so it works well by the time I have to start a new job next week.
Well yea it works for me but I think there's only like 3 NA players
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On April 08 2017 03:51 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 06:01 darthfoley wrote:
Pretty unimpressed with sicklucker but iirc I always find him scummy. His play so far has only really been trolling rayn, and in a 9 person game I would quite appreciate not having to think about PL options What do you think of his BTDT read/Read List? Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 17:10 sicklucker wrote:
Sicklucker
Tumbleweed
calix
koshi
Darthfoley
Rayn
shapelog
beentheredonethat
rels Or just in general?
My reads are almost completely reversed. I think he could be mafia but I'm more sold on Calix/you/TW having at least one mafia. Wouldn't be opposed to a case/wagon on him
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On April 08 2017 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seema like i have to fo something since i cant understand whats going on in this game.
We are lynching Calix. Do not trust Shapelog on anything because Shapelog is probably mafia. He is interested in talking about anything that is not Calix.See how he just dodges talking properly about Calix in every single occasion.
Tumblewood is town and we are not lynching him. Neither are we lynching btdt. You two, you really cant see whats going on here?
##unvote
##vote Calix
Yea I haven't seen anything to switch my vote tbh. I find this entire day pretty reminiscent of scum!Eden just afk'ing.
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On April 08 2017 05:42 Shapelog wrote:
As long as one of Calix/Tumblewood is lynched today I will be happy.
Whats an updated Shapelog reads list?
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I would like to hear Tumblewood's meta stuff on Rels when he gets the chance 
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Ez game ez life
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Rayn is town especially because if he was her partner I think he could've gotten some ML off on people or at least made it competitive
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I need to reread those people who town read calix early and tried to defend her
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Looked through Calix's filter and she only really interacted with rayn, Shapelog, Koshi and btdt.
I think it's pretty unlikely rayn or koshi were SvS interactions. Shapelog and btdt are much more likely to have been attempts at SvS "interactions" trying to somewhat distance/put pressure on each other but not effective enough pressure to get lynched.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2017 22:37 Shapelog wrote:Alright, here where I stand with the conversation between Calix and BTDT. For Calix side, the following makes me think they are more town then scum when I look at this part. Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 20:41 Calix wrote:
This went dumb real quick.
Has that cleared everything up? I don't fancy a repeat of disfo/ Xatalos/ Damdred/ Calix where a misunderstanding gets dragged out to epic proportions, lol. I personally think that if Calix was scum, they would of not posted this. It would make sense for Scum!Calix to keep on BTDT as to have a excuse to post, and also because of the what apparently happen with a misunderstanding last game. I do acknowledge that Calix could be backing off here as scum due to a lack of footing on BTDT, but I expect that they would keep on for later credit of being active D1 or even for being on BTDT/Ryan later on if either got into negative light. Moreover, BTDT was more in the mood of keeping the fight going on. Which would allow scum!calix to hide in what would prob. develop into a shitfight with BTDT for getting pass d1. However, I personally do not see anything I really like in calix's points. Some I dont really understand the way calix talks (I.E. calix posts kinda feel a bit circlejerking? If that makes sense, prob doesnt). Also, I do feel as there should be more from calix if they are town and though something about BTDT is scummy. I don't get the stance of "waiting to question you" at all either. But doesn't feel like calix is at the stage of mafia discrediting that is usually happening at this stage of the game hmmm. I will say that I would rank calix a bit above null into the town lean range b/c while I do not understand calix overall stance, I think the clear out looks more town then mafia in my eyes. Flipsid3, I think BTDT also displayed similar actions regarding koshi's meta point and not voting calix. His posts dont feel like he is being pressured in my eyes, and seems more of him trying to figure out calixs point while being mad at calix logic. One could state that he is being pretty agressive in a way, but I just chop it up to him as taking a stance at figuring out the game. Don't really have a issue with him right now. More towny then Calix and working his way up to a town lean
I still think the spoilered is a terrible post, especially after her scum flip. Look at my filter for a more thorough explanation as to why it's bad in multiple ways.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2017 20:35 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 20:33 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:30 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 20:26 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:18 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 20:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:06 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 20:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
Do you think it's worth pushing, Calix? No, I don't. But that's not the point. You clearly think it is. Why does it matter what I think then? Can you not pretend I "clearly" think it is and consider the sentence that comes right after "I think it's worth a push"? Can you also think about why I put "I think" in front of "It's worth a push"? Normally, that means that a person wants to imply a certain level of uncertainty about something. We're both town, right? So we want to help each other out by judging each other's thoughts. So you can either pick up what I say and drop your own opinion, or you can go after me because I do not place a vote on the very first maybe pushable thing that I find when the game is three pages and some hours in. Yes, and if you're uncertain on something then you generally question/ pressure that person so they clarify the issue. I am wondering why you wouldn't want to push Koshi when your posts were going in that direction and I'm still not sure what the hesitation is for. I am not 'going after you' either, actually. I generally find you scummy so I am trying not to jump down your throat here, lol. And how am I supposed to question Koshi on his, like, three posts? I've pointed out what I didn't like, and depending on his reaction to that, I'll continue to go after him or not. Why are you scumreading me for going after something I find scummy? Pretty simple. You just ask basic shit like "why did you decide to announce this playstyle after you got your role?" (as an example) and go from there. Where did I say I was scum-reading you? I said "I generally find you scummy" which is not the same thing. And the entire conversation we're having is that you AREN'T going after something you find scummy O_o You're not making much sense. Wait, so "It's worth a push" does mean "I will vote Koshi now" in your understanding, but you ask me to differentiate between "I find you scummy" and "I am scum-reading you"? The conversation we have is about what it is because you chose to pressure me about why I am not voting Koshi instead of simply reviewing what I said and commenting on it. You're, again, constructing shit to push me. "I find you GENERALLY scummy" is what I said. Found the problem. You're misinterpreting that as me specifically finding you scummy in this game when I was trying to say that I find your playstyle scummy.
I hope that clears things up.
This post also seems like an abrupt/unnatural end to the fight between btdt and Calix from Calix POV. I think it is a cop out to say "well I find your play style generally scummy" because it always gives the person an out to later retract real suspicion by using the excuse (which is kinda what Calix did)
On April 06 2017 21:05 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 21:02 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:41 Calix wrote:
This went dumb real quick.
Has that cleared everything up? I don't fancy a repeat of disfo/ Xatalos/ Damdred/ Calix where a misunderstanding gets dragged out to epic proportions, lol. Am I dumb or scummy? Since we established where the problem was, dumb 
I think btdt pushed her back on it, but she was also starting to feel pressure from other people (me/rayn/koshi) and he may have concluded it looked too clean a break off to leave it there if it's SvS so he had to commit to some extra pressure
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I need to look through people's filters about their Calix reads but Shape/TW/SL from my memory had questionable reads on her early. Also maybe scum!Rels who is AFK for much of D1, comes back near EoD without a real chance to push the lynch off her and decides to just finish the bus. Although 4-2-2 makes that less likely i guess
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