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On April 06 2017 20:30 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 20:26 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:18 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 20:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:06 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 20:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
Do you think it's worth pushing, Calix? No, I don't. But that's not the point. You clearly think it is. Why does it matter what I think then? Can you not pretend I "clearly" think it is and consider the sentence that comes right after "I think it's worth a push"? Can you also think about why I put "I think" in front of "It's worth a push"? Normally, that means that a person wants to imply a certain level of uncertainty about something. We're both town, right? So we want to help each other out by judging each other's thoughts. So you can either pick up what I say and drop your own opinion, or you can go after me because I do not place a vote on the very first maybe pushable thing that I find when the game is three pages and some hours in. Yes, and if you're uncertain on something then you generally question/ pressure that person so they clarify the issue. I am wondering why you wouldn't want to push Koshi when your posts were going in that direction and I'm still not sure what the hesitation is for. I am not 'going after you' either, actually. I generally find you scummy so I am trying not to jump down your throat here, lol. And how am I supposed to question Koshi on his, like, three posts? I've pointed out what I didn't like, and depending on his reaction to that, I'll continue to go after him or not. Why are you scumreading me for going after something I find scummy? Pretty simple. You just ask basic shit like "why did you decide to announce this playstyle after you got your role?" (as an example) and go from there. Where did I say I was scum-reading you? I said "I generally find you scummy" which is not the same thing. And the entire conversation we're having is that you AREN'T going after something you find scummy O_o You're not making much sense.
Wait, so "It's worth a push" does mean "I will vote Koshi now" in your understanding, but you ask me to differentiate between "I find you scummy" and "I am scum-reading you"?
The conversation we have is about what it is because you chose to pressure me about why I am not voting Koshi instead of simply reviewing what I said and commenting on it. You're, again, constructing shit to push me.
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By the way, questions like
* is that worth a push and
* why aren't you voting me
still stand. Can you stop circumventing them?
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bah Calix I'm pissed. I'm entering the thread trying to make sense and I'm greeted with a mixture of "you're scummy" and "you don't make sense".
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On April 06 2017 20:35 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 20:33 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:30 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 20:26 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:18 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 20:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:06 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 20:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
Do you think it's worth pushing, Calix? No, I don't. But that's not the point. You clearly think it is. Why does it matter what I think then? Can you not pretend I "clearly" think it is and consider the sentence that comes right after "I think it's worth a push"? Can you also think about why I put "I think" in front of "It's worth a push"? Normally, that means that a person wants to imply a certain level of uncertainty about something. We're both town, right? So we want to help each other out by judging each other's thoughts. So you can either pick up what I say and drop your own opinion, or you can go after me because I do not place a vote on the very first maybe pushable thing that I find when the game is three pages and some hours in. Yes, and if you're uncertain on something then you generally question/ pressure that person so they clarify the issue. I am wondering why you wouldn't want to push Koshi when your posts were going in that direction and I'm still not sure what the hesitation is for. I am not 'going after you' either, actually. I generally find you scummy so I am trying not to jump down your throat here, lol. And how am I supposed to question Koshi on his, like, three posts? I've pointed out what I didn't like, and depending on his reaction to that, I'll continue to go after him or not. Why are you scumreading me for going after something I find scummy? Pretty simple. You just ask basic shit like "why did you decide to announce this playstyle after you got your role?" (as an example) and go from there. Where did I say I was scum-reading you? I said "I generally find you scummy" which is not the same thing. And the entire conversation we're having is that you AREN'T going after something you find scummy O_o You're not making much sense. Wait, so "It's worth a push" does mean "I will vote Koshi now" in your understanding, but you ask me to differentiate between "I find you scummy" and "I am scum-reading you"? The conversation we have is about what it is because you chose to pressure me about why I am not voting Koshi instead of simply reviewing what I said and commenting on it. You're, again, constructing shit to push me. "I find you GENERALLY scummy" is what I said. Found the problem. You're misinterpreting that as me specifically finding you scummy in this game when I was trying to say that I find your playstyle scummy. I hope that clears things up.
That actually makes quite a lot of sense though. But my playstyle mainly is "don't think too long about what you're saying, first and foremost you should be honest so people can put you on their townpiles". Which I totally fail to do as scum, by the way.
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On April 06 2017 20:36 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 20:34 beentheredonethat wrote:
By the way, questions like
* is that worth a push and
* why aren't you voting me
still stand. Can you stop circumventing them? Your questions are dumb since I already answered them in my earlier posts...including ones that you RESPONDED TO. Try reading my posts -.-
My point is that those are the exact same questions you asked me earlier, and instead of talking about the answers to those questions... we're going full circle.
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On April 06 2017 20:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 20:27 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:23 Koshi wrote:On April 06 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?
Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc. It's worth a push, I think. He's around since a few hours so at least he's checking in regularly, yet he's not doing anything. Which might be perfectly fine because work day, but then again I'm not supposed to find excuses for Koshi being lazy, am I. I do it in every game I play. For years. I do it in scumgames because I do it in towngames. Assuming you're town, why would you be content in sitting down the first 36 hours and just read? Why wouldn't I be? I am a happy person.
Well you're content with it when you're scum of course. Just reading no working is fine.
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On April 06 2017 20:41 Calix wrote:
This went dumb real quick.
Has that cleared everything up? I don't fancy a repeat of disfo/ Xatalos/ Damdred/ Calix where a misunderstanding gets dragged out to epic proportions, lol.
Am I dumb or scummy?
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On April 06 2017 21:05 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 21:02 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:41 Calix wrote:
This went dumb real quick.
Has that cleared everything up? I don't fancy a repeat of disfo/ Xatalos/ Damdred/ Calix where a misunderstanding gets dragged out to epic proportions, lol. Am I dumb or scummy? Since we established where the problem was, dumb 
But what changed your stance on me then? I mean you said you find me scummy and I thought it's because I say "pushworthy" while not voting Koshi. What made you dropping that?
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On April 06 2017 21:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 21:02 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:50 Koshi wrote:On April 06 2017 20:27 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:23 Koshi wrote:On April 06 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?
Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc. It's worth a push, I think. He's around since a few hours so at least he's checking in regularly, yet he's not doing anything. Which might be perfectly fine because work day, but then again I'm not supposed to find excuses for Koshi being lazy, am I. I do it in every game I play. For years. I do it in scumgames because I do it in towngames. Assuming you're town, why would you be content in sitting down the first 36 hours and just read? Why wouldn't I be? I am a happy person. Well you're content with it when you're scum of course. Just reading no working is fine. But then I might get lynched! Because I am afk the last 12 hours.
You get the point, don't pretend you don't.
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On April 06 2017 21:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 21:15 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 21:05 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 21:02 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 20:41 Calix wrote:
This went dumb real quick.
Has that cleared everything up? I don't fancy a repeat of disfo/ Xatalos/ Damdred/ Calix where a misunderstanding gets dragged out to epic proportions, lol. Am I dumb or scummy? Since we established where the problem was, dumb But what changed your stance on me then? I mean you said you find me scummy and I thought it's because I say "pushworthy" while not voting Koshi. What made you dropping that? I thought we already covered that I was talking about your play-style. You said "I didn't want to vote on something push-worthy 3 hours into the game" and that you weren't sure how to question his initial posts so I did not see the point of questioning you further when that would distract you from scum-hunting Koshi.
That's a good one
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So trying to get this straight:
Koshi says, Calix is scum because
* Calix has engaged in a bad conversation with me without direction
* in a bad conversation with ?? without direction
* in a bad conversation with ?? without direction
+ Show Spoiler [post in question] +On April 06 2017 23:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 22:46 Shapelog wrote:Also Koshi, On April 06 2017 21:54 Koshi wrote:
I disagree. btdt is town. You are more likely not.
Progress was made. What did you see in the vs. other than not understanding her? The post you use to call Calix town, I disagree, for me that post came too much out of the blue and I do not understand why she wanted to stop the shitfight there. I like btdt more atm because he kept going after Calix called for a truce. I also dont see what Calix has achieved so far. 3 bad conversations without direction. Too much sucking up to rayn. Too agressive in her tone. I think she is mafia.
I mean yes, I agree with the whole aggressiveness. This is what struck out to me when she called me out on not voting Koshi, it just felt super-aggressive but I can see this coming from ballsy Calix willing to get the game going. Then again the "oh misunderstanding" thing - wouldn't value that too high, it's kinda weird but town does weird things imho.
Right now I'm not down for a Calix lynch. I've heard people say that activitiy alone is not alignment indicative but right now I'm not willing to lynch a player that's actually talking.
I'm also not willing to let go of my Koshi feelings. Still feels a lot like drive-by-mafia-koshi but I'd need to actually dig through his town games and compare stuff which tbh I'm not down to right now. Maybe later but I don't think so.
I like Shape but that's gut feeling.
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On April 07 2017 00:03 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 19:47 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:45 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 19:44 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote:
Hey rayn, if you don't mind, I am going for a -20 posts D1, 2-3 posts N1, 5 posts D2 and 2 posts N2. Well, unless mafia shoots me like they did the last 5 nights I was alive.
I will read the first 36 hours of the game and give my opinion. With some luck it is different than the last time. Koshi please don't say such things they feel scummy How is that post scummy? "I will do [whatever]" is always scummy. Don't promise, do. this is btw one of the worst entrance sequences I have ever seen - btdt calls koshi scum for making a promise - (even though koshi basically promised to be lazy and he does that every game) - btdt says it's worth a push (1 step removed from a promise) - btdt does not push koshi but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on being scum for now
I'm continuesly expressing my thoughts about Koshi. And they are not "oh he's so town" thoughts. I consider his current play to be scummy. I'm not sure how you make "does not push koshi" out of that lol.
Also I like how you paint that constructed picture and then back off. Like, "oh I find that's scummy but here's the benefit of the doubt" isn't that like exactly what you think I was doing?
like, y'all weigh "I think that is worth pushing" way too heavy. And with y'all I mean Calix and you, Tumble.
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On April 07 2017 00:26 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 23:54 Tumblewood wrote:
I feel like a broken clock but I've got a nice mindmeld/townread on calix Go on? Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 23:57 beentheredonethat wrote:So trying to get this straight: Koshi says, Calix is scum because * Calix has engaged in a bad conversation with me without direction * in a bad conversation with ?? without direction * in a bad conversation with ?? without direction + Show Spoiler [post in question] +On April 06 2017 23:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 22:46 Shapelog wrote:Also Koshi, On April 06 2017 21:54 Koshi wrote:
I disagree. btdt is town. You are more likely not.
Progress was made. What did you see in the vs. other than not understanding her? The post you use to call Calix town, I disagree, for me that post came too much out of the blue and I do not understand why she wanted to stop the shitfight there. I like btdt more atm because he kept going after Calix called for a truce. I also dont see what Calix has achieved so far. 3 bad conversations without direction. Too much sucking up to rayn. Too agressive in her tone. I think she is mafia. I mean yes, I agree with the whole aggressiveness. This is what struck out to me when she called me out on not voting Koshi, it just felt super-aggressive but I can see this coming from ballsy Calix willing to get the game going. Then again the "oh misunderstanding" thing - wouldn't value that too high, it's kinda weird but town does weird things imho. Right now I'm not down for a Calix lynch. I've heard people say that activitiy alone is not alignment indicative but right now I'm not willing to lynch a player that's actually talking. I'm also not willing to let go of my Koshi feelings. Still feels a lot like drive-by-mafia-koshi but I'd need to actually dig through his town games and compare stuff which tbh I'm not down to right now. Maybe later but I don't think so. I like Shape but that's gut feeling. And sucking up to ryan apparently? So do you think im reading more into the misunderstanding/move on posts from her in my thought process on it? You go do that meta thing. I'm fine looking at the game info lol. I like Shape as well. I hope he wont get Nightkilled. Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 00:03 Tumblewood wrote:On April 06 2017 19:47 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:45 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 19:44 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote:
Hey rayn, if you don't mind, I am going for a -20 posts D1, 2-3 posts N1, 5 posts D2 and 2 posts N2. Well, unless mafia shoots me like they did the last 5 nights I was alive.
I will read the first 36 hours of the game and give my opinion. With some luck it is different than the last time. Koshi please don't say such things they feel scummy How is that post scummy? "I will do [whatever]" is always scummy. Don't promise, do. this is btw one of the worst entrance sequences I have ever seen - btdt calls koshi scum for making a promise - (even though koshi basically promised to be lazy and he does that every game) - btdt says it's worth a push (1 step removed from a promise) - btdt does not push koshi but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on being scum for now So your where calix is hence the mind meld comment? Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 00:09 Calix wrote:
My main problem with Koshi right now is how we had to drag out this conversation just to get to these points because he wasn't cooperating. And the points were not even that good in the end. It didn't do anything but fill space with an argument that doesn't add up and is uncharitable.
I am still unable to see how he read my posts and concluded "she's trying to keep on rayn's good side".
But then again, going about his read in this manner draws a lot of attention to Koshi. And he is attacking me. Unless he saw his team-mates last game and decided that copying their strategy is an A* move, I'm not convinced that scum!Koshi would do that off the bat.
Meh, I'll have to reread later in case I'm succumbing to OMGUS with that case. This is actually my thoughts on him as well. The other thing I notice is that he is fine dropping a joke here and there as well, inferring that he isn't stressed at all rn. I want to see where the point goes though and more what koshi does with it. Koshi, my ears are yours.
To be honest I don't know what "sucking up to rayn" means. Help me
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Shape: "So do you think im reading more into the misunderstanding/move on posts from her in my thought process on it?"
I don't know how much you read into it or how much should be read into it. It's one notable thing and the more the game progresses, the better (or worse, lol) it will be readable
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On April 07 2017 00:52 Koshi wrote:
Tumble is obvious town.
Tumble pls explain your mindmeld pls.
asdjalkdjlkjasökldjasldkj really
I was already in a tumble and calix are scum but then you do that 100% safe townread for which exact reasons?
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Koshi you're just saying things and you're not explaining
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On April 07 2017 00:55 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 00:53 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 00:52 Koshi wrote:
Tumble is obvious town.
Tumble pls explain your mindmeld pls. asdjalkdjlkjasökldjasldkj really I was already in a tumble and calix are scum but then you do that 100% safe townread for which exact reasons? His post on your entrance
I think his post on my entrance adds nothing new to the thread, 1:1 repeats what Calix said and feels useless.
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On April 07 2017 01:09 Shapelog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +How does the post make him scummy (cba to reopen filter from calix On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?
Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc. On April 06 2017 19:58 Calix wrote:Your opening post stood out to me because I looked at it and I could not tell what you were trying to do/ say since it didn't say anything. A post for the sake of making a post is probably a better way to put it. Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?
Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc. It's worth a push, I think. He's around since a few hours so at least he's checking in regularly, yet he's not doing anything. Which might be perfectly fine because work day, but then again I'm not supposed to find excuses for Koshi being lazy, am I. If you think that, where is your vote...? On April 06 2017 19:58 Calix wrote:Your opening post stood out to me because I looked at it and I could not tell what you were trying to do/ say since it didn't say anything. A post for the sake of making a post is probably a better way to put it. Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?
Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc. It's worth a push, I think. He's around since a few hours so at least he's checking in regularly, yet he's not doing anything. Which might be perfectly fine because work day, but then again I'm not supposed to find excuses for Koshi being lazy, am I. If you think that, where is your vote...? Versus: Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 00:03 Tumblewood wrote:On April 06 2017 19:47 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:45 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 19:44 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote:
Hey rayn, if you don't mind, I am going for a -20 posts D1, 2-3 posts N1, 5 posts D2 and 2 posts N2. Well, unless mafia shoots me like they did the last 5 nights I was alive.
I will read the first 36 hours of the game and give my opinion. With some luck it is different than the last time. Koshi please don't say such things they feel scummy How is that post scummy? "I will do [whatever]" is always scummy. Don't promise, do. this is btw one of the worst entrance sequences I have ever seen - btdt calls koshi scum for making a promise - (even though koshi basically promised to be lazy and he does that every game) - btdt says it's worth a push (1 step removed from a promise) - btdt does not push koshi but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on being scum for now If anything, Tumble's post is a TLDR of Calix's train of thought/posts/points that were spread out during that time. Which if he was mafia, could easily be faked if need be.
this. so why townread him for this?
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nah there's no way Tumbleweed is locked town here. He chose the easiest comment that was there to make and didn't add anything new.
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Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.
##vote Tumblewood do something
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