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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2017 12:36 GMT
#1336
if btdt is mafia he played really well.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2017 12:36 GMT
#1337
Same for sicklucker. Even better.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2017 12:42 GMT
#1338
On April 07 2017 02:09 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 20:30 Calix wrote:
On April 06 2017 20:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 06 2017 20:18 Calix wrote:
On April 06 2017 20:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 06 2017 20:06 Calix wrote:
On April 06 2017 20:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
Do you think it's worth pushing, Calix?


No, I don't.

But that's not the point.

You clearly think it is.

Why does it matter what I think then?

Can you not pretend I "clearly" think it is and consider the sentence that comes right after "I think it's worth a push"?

Can you also think about why I put "I think" in front of "It's worth a push"? Normally, that means that a person wants to imply a certain level of uncertainty about something. We're both town, right? So we want to help each other out by judging each other's thoughts. So you can either pick up what I say and drop your own opinion, or you can go after me because I do not place a vote on the very first maybe pushable thing that I find when the game is three pages and some hours in.



Yes, and if you're uncertain on something then you generally question/ pressure that person so they clarify the issue. I am wondering why you wouldn't want to push Koshi when your posts were going in that direction and I'm still not sure what the hesitation is for.

I am not 'going after you' either, actually. I generally find you scummy so I am trying not to jump down your throat here, lol.

And how am I supposed to question Koshi on his, like, three posts? I've pointed out what I didn't like, and depending on his reaction to that, I'll continue to go after him or not.

Why are you scumreading me for going after something I find scummy?


Pretty simple. You just ask basic shit like "why did you decide to announce this playstyle after you got your role?" (as an example) and go from there.

Where did I say I was scum-reading you? I said "I generally find you scummy" which is not the same thing. And the entire conversation we're having is that you AREN'T going after something you find scummy O_o

You're not making much sense.


I find this sentence comical. Can anyone who isn't Calix explain wtf the difference is between these two sentences, because to me it just looks like useless hedging that sounds scum motivated. The splitting of semantic hairs is not something I really associate with town!calix.

I think btdt is more town from the argument because he seemed more logical/focused/level headed.

Koshi's intro reminds me a bit of his standoffish play style he used last game as scum, and I like btdt's questioning of him so far

My time is a bit limited but I'm catching up ASAP


possbile tmi. Also there wasn't any follow up I think.

On April 07 2017 02:19 darthfoley wrote:
The thing is I still don't see how probing rayn is "sucking up"

I can understand the point if Koshi was talking about it from the "faking activity" point he brought up later, but the progression from "she was sucking up" to "she was faking activity" doesn't really make sense to me

Very sidelines.

On April 07 2017 22:30 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:22 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix?

On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about.


Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread.

However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway).

I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here.


Then why did she go from "I am going to call it a day and call Calix and Tumble the mafia team" to "Calix is perfect null". WITHOUT Calix posting.


Rayn is town yay

I never understood this post.
On April 07 2017 22:43 darthfoley wrote:
The only saving grace for BTDT right now is that all of a sudden he has the pressure of a thousand suns on him from two very vocal players and SL, all the while Calix hasn't posted anything since her slew of terrible posts early game... yet people seem to have backed off her a bit. This feels similar to the Generic game that just finished when Eden was super AFK scummy but almost wiggled out of a lynch because other townspeople did a few scummy things

Also anyone TRing Shapelog please explain. ATM I think Calix/Shapelog are most likely mafia. Maybe btdt, but his frustration feels real and not fake rage idk

weird + tmi
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2017 12:44 GMT
#1339
Hmm don't think darthfoley has been solving this game. I just read his filter and he never tries to push to clear somebody. Or pushes a good townread into the game. Try to convince people.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2017 12:44 GMT
#1340
I am pretty sure I a mlynching both df and tumble. No matter what.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2017 16:55 GMT
#1343
I have no clue though.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2017 20:51 GMT
#1374
##unvote
##vote TW
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2017 20:51 GMT
#1375
Not sure if town fucks up this bad and votes off each other. But I hope mafia kills the doc and sicklucker can do lylo :D
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2017 20:52 GMT
#1376
Go vote TW.

Trust rayn
Trust Rels
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 17 2017 16:57 GMT
#1440
pff just kill df
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 17 2017 20:20 GMT
#1444
I agree. It is always you over btdt.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 18 2017 07:39 GMT
#1458
##vote darthfoley
Not changing.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 19 2017 11:34 GMT
#1461
I could make a post about why I am voting df to explain myself and potentially calm the upcoming shitstorm. But I don't know if I want to do that.

Somewhere I felt throughout the game df was clean mafia. Said it a couple times. tw and btdt were ugly townies but I actually read them more town in my gut throughout the game. Xcept when rayn and I were drilling btdt, at that point I could see btdt be mafia.

The last days btdt was also pretty aggressive playing this game. It could be he is mafia and knew he had to keep up the hard work though. I can't really differentiate.

Anyway. I feel somewhat bad about the TW lynch. Rels and Shape I was fine with.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 19 2017 22:23 GMT
#1462
tbh. I would expect activity from town btdt here. Oh well. Live and learn.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 19 2017 22:26 GMT
#1463
The emotion was good. wp if mafia.
The conversation with Calix was decent. wp if mafia.
The confusion around the second docsave was well done. wp if mafia.

Overall better activity than df.
Overall a way more convincing/game solving filter than df.


tbh I would be surprised.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 19 2017 23:29 GMT
#1465
good talk
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2017 08:40 GMT
#1484
Well played df.
I don't know if I would have lynched you over TW if it was lylo sooner. Maybe. Very maybe. TW vote I felt bad about when I switched off you, I kinda knew it there. But you played so well.

You only lost to btdt because he had the emotion card. Which he used pretty hard this game. And because as mafia it is impossible to look like a townie over 5 ingame days. It gets obvious after a while, probably not for you as mafia, but you feel it as townie. You were a bit less vocal, bit less interested, bit less aggressive, bit less impactful.. It's small but it was noticeable.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2017 08:47 GMT
#1485
Pretty cool play by SL. Lucky I for once read him as town when he was town

I wonder if we could have done anything about the Shape/Rels lynches. I think I already read TW town when we lynched Rels.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2017 08:50 GMT
#1486
On April 11 2017 21:00 Koshi wrote:
I do not know why Rels is not the lynch tomorrow.

Sicklucker is obviously doctor, or he did an insane play to secure him lylo. In this game mafia doesn't know the setup, so if this is a vt setup he gambled on that and then gambled on not being coutnerclaimed???? Are you all dense or am I wrong about the setup? I didn't read the op.

rayn can't be mafia because while I threw the ball, he made the alley hoop. or w.e that is called. And then during night he decides to not kill anybody while he isn't sure there is a doc so he might get docsaved and then be confirmed? Even more confirmed than he already is??? Are you fuckers for real?

So everybody should have at least 3 superconfirmed townies himself included.


Who is left for me:
Rels
Tumble
btdt
df

For me the obvious choice is Rels. Didn't do shit, and just gained cred when it was cool. Go lynch that fucker.
Darthfoley played well if he is mafia. Cherry picked what he posted and made them incredible.
Tumble most likely is town. Read rayn his posts on why. He is just playing like he always plays. Weird or not understandable does NOT equal scum. Not now, not ever.
btdt is possibly mafia due to interactions with Calix and bad posts. But he is not mafia due to activity and emotions. So he is not mafia and should not be considered in the next 2 lynches. Or do we lose after 3ml? I don't know.


So lynch Rels
Then look at how clean dartholey is
Then look at how messed up Tumble and btdt are and pick one in lylo. Hopefully I am there and not sicklucker.



Also protip to btdt and tumble: Stop calling each other mafia because you don't understand the other person his playstyle. It's dumb.

After this post everything went downhill for me this game.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2017 08:51 GMT
#1487
Well. It was ok. But I should have sticked on df and not switch to Tumble.

I blame Rels and rayn.
I had a good night of sleep.
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