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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 18 2017 22:38 GMT
#887
Interested to see what ritoky makes of the game when she(?) catches up.

I agree that rayn v Damdred is interesting

Remind me why you mention Eden/TW together?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 18 2017 22:44 GMT
#891
So koshi was around at flip. Say something!!!
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 18 2017 23:28 GMT
#915
You guys make valid points but I also don't see the motivation for Tumble to come back into the thread near EoD when nothing of note was happening and half the game was afk. Why put your foot in it needlessly?

I also have a soft spot for EoD paranoia so maybe I'm being a little too understanding of his illogical play
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 18 2017 23:56 GMT
#919
On March 19 2017 08:45 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 08:28 darthfoley wrote:
You guys make valid points but I also don't see the motivation for Tumble to come back into the thread near EoD when nothing of note was happening and half the game was afk. Why put your foot in it needlessly?

I also have a soft spot for EoD paranoia so maybe I'm being a little too understanding of his illogical play

I left for IRL reasons and came back when I did for IRL reasons. and when I was back I was not caught up before I posted so I didn't know nothing was happening


I should've clarified: I don't see the motivation for scum!tumble to come back when you did
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 02:24 GMT
#923
On March 19 2017 10:34 Eden1892 wrote:
Why did we lynch Malongo? I guess it's "safe" but he was perfect null.

I voted Damdred because:
1. Calix wasn't a reasonable wagon and tbh I was starting to second guess myself anyway
2. I didn't see any compelling reason to vote Malongo. It's safe but fuck that, town doesn't win making safe plays unless the Mafia sucks.
3. Damdred still hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be Mafia. That's hypocritical compared to Malongo, except that I know I can expect more from Damdred and I can't know to do so from Malongo.
4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum; gave town a second wagon to consider, and I thought if the EOD were more active we'd get more meaningful info from that with a real 2nd option.

WITH THAT SAID, I apologize for not actually returning. I sorely underestimated my wireless carrier's range, Mississippi's infrastructure and the entertainment level of this wedding. I solemnly swear not to make any of those mistakes again, especially expecting positive outcomes from Mississippi's infratstructure. A truly egregious error to be certain


Welcome back. I mean he was "perfectly null" but didn't give any reads when I asked him specifically to (and he was around at the time).

Point 4 is actually kinda cool and I hadn't considered that
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 18:20 GMT
#979
On March 20 2017 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i am having fun with that, because people cannot be convinced with any sort of logic anymore in this game so i don't really see what else should i be happy about when playing mafia anymore.


God, it must be so hard being perfect
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 18:30 GMT
#992
PSA that I hate Rels. That is all.

Anyways, I must say that I've been thoroughly unimpressed by Koshi's effort levels so far. Like I understand D1 being a crap shoot and all, but the D1 play looks super passive. Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners.

Would like to hear what he makes of all of this stuff
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 18:37 GMT
#997
On March 20 2017 03:33 ritoky wrote:
oh it was darthfoley. he responded super positive and agreeable to 2 posts i thought were hot garbage in tumble's and eden's posts.


I still think Eden's 5-3 point was decent about Malongo. In retrospect he could do that as mafia so admittedly it's NAI, but I find the VCA component of it cool and something I hadn't thought about before

Sorry for thinking that tumblewood's paranoia and generally EoD play isnt purely mafia indicative when I've done the same thing myself? Look back at the game where NeverUnlucky was lynched D1 as mafia and I was hard defending him as town for similar reasons. Made me look terrible after the fact, but I was still waffly and town
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 18:39 GMT
#999
Calix, what do you make of Xata vs. rayn right now?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 18:54 GMT
#1018
On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix

people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels

people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble


Go back to posting gifs pls
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 19:00 GMT
#1031
On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix

people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels

people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble


Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads?

You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 19:04 GMT
#1039
On March 20 2017 04:02 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix

people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels

people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble


Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads?

You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy


I guess you make a fair point. Dunno how rayn ended up in "good posts" if he still doesn't hold any suspicions for me or Damdred (rayn hasn't made posts about anything else really..).


Badabing badaboom
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 19:09 GMT
#1045
On March 20 2017 04:05 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:58 disformation wrote:
as you see i am working on it -.-


halfway done and you have all null reads! useful.

strange.

actually did you even read my post?


Yea ritokys response to your list is shit. There were clear leans in it for like 4 people.

I still have yet to see anything to make me think disfirmation is scum.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 19:10 GMT
#1046
On March 20 2017 04:05 Calix wrote:
To answer your earlier question, DF, I think both of the Finnish people are town. Rayn looks like he's dropped his flashlight while stuck in a tunnel and Xatalos held his ground better than I'd figure he would as scum. Want to reread it later just to be sure though.


Where do you think the scummers lie at this point?

Part of me really thinks Rels is one of them and he's just fucked off to avoid suspicion early
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 19:25 GMT
#1056
On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix

people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels

people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble


Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads?

You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy


? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar.

Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right.

You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon.


You lecturing me on not using a binary system to judge the game while using categories of "good" and "bad" is an irony of the ages.

I read a whole lot of words and hear a whole lot of nothing. If you want to pull out the "I'm new" card, that's fine, but go back and read the first 40 pages.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 19:32 GMT
#1059
On March 20 2017 04:28 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 04:25 darthfoley wrote:
On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:
On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix

people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels

people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble


Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads?

You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy


? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar.

Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right.

You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon.


You lecturing me on not using a binary system to judge the game while using categories of "good" and "bad" is an irony of the ages.

I read a whole lot of words and hear a whole lot of nothing. If you want to pull out the "I'm new" card, that's fine, but go back and read the first 40 pages.


Well if you wanna talk about the game at all once you're over me saying your posts are bad I am open. But no, I am not going back to read day 1, it is pointless. I do suggest you get out of viewing the game as side vs side or those who agree with me vs those who don't. Mafia very often hedge (particularly early) and staying in that state of mind loses you a lot of games to sneaksters.


Why is it pointless
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 21:02 GMT
#1125
On March 20 2017 05:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 03:37 darthfoley wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:33 ritoky wrote:
oh it was darthfoley. he responded super positive and agreeable to 2 posts i thought were hot garbage in tumble's and eden's posts.


I still think Eden's 5-3 point was decent about Malongo. In retrospect he could do that as mafia so admittedly it's NAI, but I find the VCA component of it cool and something I hadn't thought about before

Sorry for thinking that tumblewood's paranoia and generally EoD play isnt purely mafia indicative when I've done the same thing myself? Look back at the game where NeverUnlucky was lynched D1 as mafia and I was hard defending him as town for similar reasons. Made me look terrible after the fact, but I was still waffly and town

"I did it as town once so this time I am town as well"


L2r pls. I was talking about Tumblewooe being town because I've done the same thing in the past when I was town

Nincumpoop
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 21:04 GMT
#1129
On March 20 2017 05:49 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 03:30 darthfoley wrote:
PSA that I hate Rels. That is all.

Anyways, I must say that I've been thoroughly unimpressed by Koshi's effort levels so far. Like I understand D1 being a crap shoot and all, but the D1 play looks super passive. Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners.

Would like to hear what he makes of all of this stuff

This is a fucking lie. I was only here the first 24h and I did way fucking more than that. Like.. You are taking my 24h filter and then pretend it is all I did for 96 hours.

mafia.


Sorry for claiming you've been passive when you've only been an active contributor for 24 of the 96 hours?

Your use of the word fuck will not sway my opinion my dude

Or should I say: your fucking use of the god damn fucking word fuck won't change my fucking opinion
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 21:12 GMT
#1134
On March 20 2017 06:06 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 06:04 darthfoley wrote:
On March 20 2017 05:49 Koshi wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:30 darthfoley wrote:
PSA that I hate Rels. That is all.

Anyways, I must say that I've been thoroughly unimpressed by Koshi's effort levels so far. Like I understand D1 being a crap shoot and all, but the D1 play looks super passive. Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners.

Would like to hear what he makes of all of this stuff

This is a fucking lie. I was only here the first 24h and I did way fucking more than that. Like.. You are taking my 24h filter and then pretend it is all I did for 96 hours.

mafia.


Sorry for claiming you've been passive when you've only been an active contributor for 24 of the 96 hours?

Your use of the word fuck will not sway my opinion my dude

Or should I say: your fucking use of the god damn fucking word fuck won't change my fucking opinion

So in those 24 hours I was a passive contributor? That is your opinion? Yes or No?


Looking back at your filter, passive is too strong of a word. I just feel like outside of the Damdred vs Disformation back and forth that you weren't as pushy or opinionated as I have seen town!koshi act in the past
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 19 2017 21:45 GMT
#1165
Lolwat. Idk the closest smoking gun to ritoky is Eden probably. I feel like it has to be a blue hunt because it makes no sense otherwise
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