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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22249 Posts
February 02 2017 01:05 GMT
#681
SW give me some teams you would approve I think you're the most widely townread person in here and if it gets rejected, it will be the team you choose anyway so at least we can cut to the chase.
Silverika
Profile Joined January 2017
United States231 Posts
February 02 2017 01:21 GMT
#682
Ok, give me an hr to do something in RL and go through some filters and I'll give some names.
Hydra of ika42 and SilverWolf77
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22249 Posts
February 02 2017 02:18 GMT
#683
Look into emc and tell me what you think he doesn't look as bad as people make me want to believe just cuz he got replaced twice.
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
February 02 2017 06:02 GMT
#684
sry guys been feeling shitty all day today
hpefully tomorrow I'll feel a little better but I'm fried right now
+ Show Spoiler +
get your flu shots, kids
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
February 02 2017 06:03 GMT
#685
i see the team got rejected though which is ok in my book. apologies to host etc for not voting
good times for all
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 02 2017 08:11 GMT
#686
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Silverika
Profile Joined January 2017
United States231 Posts
February 02 2017 09:27 GMT
#687
Sorry guys, got super busy and I'm exhausted now and don't think I can even think straight to do those filters right now.

As far as emperorchampion Vivax-do you have reasons you want to give him a chance? Are you suggesting putting him on the team and if so why?

I don't consider the replace in scummy. Calix not posting is null. The only points I don't like are the fact he seemed really appeasy as far as putting up teams. It's like he didn't want to ruffle any feathers at all. And I am not sure why you wouldn't put yourself in as team leader on a small team because if you know you are town, then you know 1/3 of the mission is town and you just need to find two more townreads.

Better chance of passing that way.

~SilverWolf77
Hydra of ika42 and SilverWolf77
Silverika
Profile Joined January 2017
United States231 Posts
February 02 2017 09:30 GMT
#688
You could put yourself, Rtani, and us or yourself Rtani, and Super. I think you said you had unresolved issues with those two? Or maybe yourself, Grack, and us.

~SilverWolf77
Hydra of ika42 and SilverWolf77
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 02 2017 10:00 GMT
#689
On February 02 2017 18:27 Silverika wrote:
Sorry guys, got super busy and I'm exhausted now and don't think I can even think straight to do those filters right now.

As far as emperorchampion Vivax-do you have reasons you want to give him a chance? Are you suggesting putting him on the team and if so why?

I don't consider the replace in scummy. Calix not posting is null. The only points I don't like are the fact he seemed really appeasy as far as putting up teams. It's like he didn't want to ruffle any feathers at all. And I am not sure why you wouldn't put yourself in as team leader on a small team because if you know you are town, then you know 1/3 of the mission is town and you just need to find two more townreads.

Better chance of passing that way.

~SilverWolf77

That's one of the only things EC has done that we don't find scummy. If no one's townreading your slot it doesn't make sense to put yourself up as that mission will never pass the first stage.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22249 Posts
February 02 2017 10:06 GMT
#690
I don't see anything wrong with what emc did he came into the thread yolo nominated a team, then readjusted it based on feedback. Nothing wrong with not being stubborn especially when he just came in as replacement.

Anyway this isn't just about the team I want but about the team that most of town can agree on.

TW, SL are staying out of it. That's not questionable atm.

Me, Grack, ika sounds tempting but includes me and that goes against my philosophy and I don't want to spend time arguing why I'm resistance anyway. Others can do that when they feel like noming me.

Grack, ika, super looks viable to me atm. Still paranoid of rtanisoul.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 02 2017 10:14 GMT
#691
On February 02 2017 19:06 Vivax wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with what emc did he came into the thread yolo nominated a team, then readjusted it based on feedback. Nothing wrong with not being stubborn especially when he just came in as replacement.

Anyway this isn't just about the team I want but about the team that most of town can agree on.

TW, SL are staying out of it. That's not questionable atm.

Me, Grack, ika sounds tempting but includes me and that goes against my philosophy and I don't want to spend time arguing why I'm resistance anyway. Others can do that when they feel like noming me.

Grack, ika, super looks viable to me atm. Still paranoid of rtanisoul.

Even you shouldn't be able to ignore how Superbia and TW looked pretty awful near the end of the day and EC went
On February 01 2017 06:46 emperorchampion wrote:
Mm I think I just stick with original + I'm peacing soon

I feel good about this team :D and I encourage y'all to vote yay!!

Which sounds pretty godawful to me.

Also why are you paranoid about us? Any reasons or just standard Vivax tinfoil?
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 02 2017 10:16 GMT
#692
Also if you don't want us in the team, put sharkie there instead of super. I'd vote for that.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18617 Posts
February 02 2017 10:21 GMT
#693
My analysis of the last day:

-
On February 01 2017 13:23 Vivax wrote:
Morning gents.

Today I want to see superbia and TW fighting as they both distrust each other yet as spies they should want the team to pass.

Looking forward to their reasoning for the respective vote.


I really want to highlight this post. This was the first time we had our two resident debaters on the same team and just like vivax I was looking forward to their posts to this team nomination. However, neither posted anything about this team and chose the safe way out (rejecting the team). Now I am sure both people will come up with some excuse why yesterday was the day they could not post a lot. But this is way too much coincidence for me as if either had been town they would have surely spoken up and gave us their thoughts about being on the same team. So for me the suspicion of both rose up quite a lot after yesterday.

- My next point or question is "wtf silver?" Why did you approve of this team nomination of EC? I thought we were in agreement that EC is very suspicious of being a spy so why do you approve his mission? No way you can believe that a spy will not try to smuggle at least one spy in this team especially the way he acted. Yes, he gave us several suggestions based on our feedback but in the end he chose out of the several possibilities. You were 100% for me but this vote put a dent (small but still) in your reputation imo.

- I really liked SL's posts the other day. I think he realised that he posted some stupid things and did try to make up for it (and successfully in my point of view). I hope that resurgence of his posts is not a one time thing and he will now assist us more in team selections!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22249 Posts
February 02 2017 10:25 GMT
#694
On February 02 2017 19:16 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also if you don't want us in the team, put sharkie there instead of super. I'd vote for that.


Approved. I like his thoughts to the super and tumble matter as I also dislike them much more since they literally didn't care. And I like that you suggest this.

Next suggestion is

Sharkie/Ika/Grack
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22249 Posts
February 02 2017 10:34 GMT
#695
Super also dropped off drifting off into SLesque shitposting style as of late, so his 6 pages of filter don't impress my eyes as much. But he seems like he's just trying to have fun with the game at times, so dnu, unsure on him still.

Taking a look just at the votes I feel like swika approves a bit too often for my taste and I would like an explanation of why they approved with emc on the team as sharkie pointed out, but otherwise still am not particularly distrustful of that slot. Frustration about not passing seemed genuine too.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 02 2017 12:18 GMT
#696
I don't really understand why rtani is scum reading me so much for wanting me to value their opinion over mine. Sharkie seemingly has a bone to pick with me for reasons which seem pretty nebulous and won't answer any questions of mine lol. sharkie/ika/grack is OK for same reasons that tumble could replace sharkie.

I dunno I think we should just do vivax/ika/grack, I feel fairly comfortable with that
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 02 2017 12:32 GMT
#697
On February 02 2017 21:18 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't really understand why rtani is scum reading me so much for wanting me to value their opinion over mine. Sharkie seemingly has a bone to pick with me for reasons which seem pretty nebulous and won't answer any questions of mine lol. sharkie/ika/grack is OK for same reasons that tumble could replace sharkie.

I dunno I think we should just do vivax/ika/grack, I feel fairly comfortable with that

Can you tell me what happened that caused these doubts
On February 01 2017 04:48 emperorchampion wrote:
I'm mostly worried since tumble and super aren't in thread and there's like 2 hrs till deadline.

On both Super who didn't post anything of substance and Tumble who didn't post anything whilst Grack posted good shit like
On February 01 2017 05:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't want to be too WIFOMy so I'll break this up into 3 possible scenarios and you can choose which one you think is the most likely scenario.

Either:

1) Silver/Super/Tumblewood are all town. The 3 people who are most in favor of the Super/Tumble/Silver team are also town. (1st choice given by Vivax/EC/Artisoul). In this scenario the game is basically solved. The scum team is Me/Sharkie/Sicklucker and we completely flopped, while the entire town was able to effectively coalesce around a town team.

+ Show Spoiler +
Latest team suggestions
On January 31 2017 18:13 RtaniSoul wrote:
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On January 31 2017 17:26 emperorchampion wrote:
This game is cold as ice lol, I've been following along and I think i want to start with this team:

##nominate: emperorchampion grackattack superbia cause they are known to be cool people.

Could you replace superbia with sicklucker? Then we can make our no more emphatic ^^

On February 01 2017 00:05 RtaniSoul wrote:
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On January 31 2017 22:35 emperorchampion wrote:
On January 31 2017 21:54 Silverika wrote:
On January 31 2017 18:50 emperorchampion wrote:
On January 31 2017 18:48 Silverika wrote:
On January 31 2017 18:02 emperorchampion wrote:
Based on my probability estimates this team has a 105% chance of being approved, so let's gogogogo


Nope


Care to elaborate?


I think you should read up since we've discussed it already. Particularly the part where TW came into the game, cast shade on everyone in the original group, and then put up a new one with "this looks right."

You come into the thread, in a spot no one can read because Calix didn't do anything, and immediately put up a team without any discussion or any sort of posting that would allow us to read you or any sort of reasoning for the team you picked. I mean you gave a couple reasons on Grack but they weren't really that good.

And so far you've just been floating around not doing anything complaining the game is dead.

~SilverWolf77


The issue for me is that I was dropped in as leader at the same time as replacement, it was my excitement to get going! I prefer to give team first and discuss afterwards since I think it's the best way to find a mutually agreeable team.

That was just my feeling following the game since I'm used to more active mafia games
On January 31 2017 22:14 Silverika wrote:
On January 31 2017 17:59 emperorchampion wrote:
Cause grack's a bro:

Scum hunting:
On January 28 2017 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:
I liked his confident (and correct) put down of Vivax's leader logic.
On January 28 2017 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
can't even give you townie cred for winning an argument against vivax. come on, v, get a real reason to scumread rtani

His follow up also seems genuine to me. If he had entered the thread with that comment as scum, I would have expected him to use that as justification for having more suspicion/uncertainty on Vivax.
On January 28 2017 08:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On January 28 2017 08:07 Vivax wrote:
On January 28 2017 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
can't even give you townie cred for winning an argument against vivax. come on, v, get a real reason to scumread rtani

Reading between the lines this means that you're fine with superbia and swika but not fine with me not being fine with rtanisoul?

no, I think you may be even townier for being this bad but I also politely request you be less bad
also I am just examining super and swika, and rtani to an extent, just now



Town circling:
On January 30 2017 18:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On January 30 2017 18:15 Superbia wrote:
Gracky, who would you put on a team?

I reread through your filter and you actually looked better than I thought.

So I don't know lol. One spot would have to go to Ikawolf.


I put my nomination early cause I'm pretty fine with any of my town reads:
super/silver/grack


Can you explain all these towreads and why in particular you chose to exclude us from your team of the three you townread? Also, you townread three people but then put this post in:

On January 31 2017 20:30 emperorchampion wrote:
tumble/silver/super ?

Basically if the leader puts themselves or not, the question is about who get the more information. Leader putting themselves gives more info to the leader, otherwise gives more info to whoever they put in. So it's a question about who you trust. Not sure I fully trust 2 other people yet though.


So you townread three people and would be o.k. with any of them but get some heat and suddenly it's like, you aren't sure you fully trust two people?


~SilverWolf77


super / you having similar thoughts points towards both being town. Similar aggression and level of involvement I think reinforce. I liked super's interactions with tumble. Gracks town read is lower than between you two.

I prefer to be on the team since I view it like controlling the variables. In this case it's Grack. If it's not going to pass then obviously there's no point in pushing it, so yeah I'm willing to compromise.

Other teams I have in mind are silver/super/tumble, which I saw is already OK for you? Or I think silver/super/vivax is OK.

We will yay-vote silver/super/tumble. Have issues with Vivax though.

On February 01 2017 00:07 RtaniSoul wrote:
Our biggest problem is that we don't want vivax subbing in for tumble. Kinda equal between Super/Vivax.


On January 30 2017 08:46 Vivax wrote:
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On January 30 2017 08:41 Silverika wrote:
On January 30 2017 06:35 sharkie wrote:
Oh god calix is next leader, can we afford that?


This is why I'm kind of annoyed the first one didn't pass. That said, Calix's complete lack of activity is unusual for her as either alignment and if we could get a replacement in, if needed, that would probably help a lot with reading that slot.

~SilverWolf


Would you be fine with superbia/you/tumble?

On January 30 2017 08:47 Vivax wrote:
I'm blatantly advertising this team so we actually get something to pass at some point and if you have issues with any of its members speak up.


On February 01 2017 01:08 emperorchampion wrote:
##UN-nominate: emperorchampion grackattack super
##nominate: super silver tumble

@grack I think I prefer to have super or myself over vivax on the team you mention



2) Super/Tumble/Silver are still town, but in this scenario one of Vivax/Artisoul/EC is secretly hoping that the team does not pass, and they were only in favor of the team to try to appear townie.

*For this scenario I could only really see this being true with mafia! Artisoul. Vivax wanted the Tumble/Super/Silver team early on and EC laid out several different teams that he could have chosen from before settling on Tumble/Super/Silver.

3) At least one of Super/Tumble/Silver is mafia.

I believe that this should be all of the possible scenarios. I think the 3rd one is the most likely. I know my role so I know that 1 isn't possible. But even if I didn't I would be quite surprised if both Sharkie and Sicklucker are mafia.

in the hours leading up to the deadline for the team, yet you refused to swap Super or even Tumble out for Grack despite stating yourself a willingness to do so:
On February 01 2017 06:42 emperorchampion wrote:
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On February 01 2017 06:27 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 01 2017 06:26 emperorchampion wrote:
@art I don't really see a compelling reason to switch super for grack? makes sense to put both on to me

Sorry this is from mobile


we trust grack more than super if it's all equal to you that shouldn't be an issue, right?


I mean I trust supe more I think lol

Idk where tumble is tho, maybe tumble for grack


Why did you still go with silver/super/tumble instead of subbing one of the latter for Grack?
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 02 2017 12:55 GMT
#698
On February 02 2017 21:32 RtaniSoul wrote:
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On February 02 2017 21:18 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't really understand why rtani is scum reading me so much for wanting me to value their opinion over mine. Sharkie seemingly has a bone to pick with me for reasons which seem pretty nebulous and won't answer any questions of mine lol. sharkie/ika/grack is OK for same reasons that tumble could replace sharkie.

I dunno I think we should just do vivax/ika/grack, I feel fairly comfortable with that

Can you tell me what happened that caused these doubts
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On February 01 2017 04:48 emperorchampion wrote:
I'm mostly worried since tumble and super aren't in thread and there's like 2 hrs till deadline.

On both Super who didn't post anything of substance and Tumble who didn't post anything whilst Grack posted good shit like
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 05:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't want to be too WIFOMy so I'll break this up into 3 possible scenarios and you can choose which one you think is the most likely scenario.

Either:

1) Silver/Super/Tumblewood are all town. The 3 people who are most in favor of the Super/Tumble/Silver team are also town. (1st choice given by Vivax/EC/Artisoul). In this scenario the game is basically solved. The scum team is Me/Sharkie/Sicklucker and we completely flopped, while the entire town was able to effectively coalesce around a town team.

+ Show Spoiler +
Latest team suggestions
On January 31 2017 18:13 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2017 17:26 emperorchampion wrote:
This game is cold as ice lol, I've been following along and I think i want to start with this team:

##nominate: emperorchampion grackattack superbia cause they are known to be cool people.

Could you replace superbia with sicklucker? Then we can make our no more emphatic ^^

On February 01 2017 00:05 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2017 22:35 emperorchampion wrote:
On January 31 2017 21:54 Silverika wrote:
On January 31 2017 18:50 emperorchampion wrote:
On January 31 2017 18:48 Silverika wrote:
On January 31 2017 18:02 emperorchampion wrote:
Based on my probability estimates this team has a 105% chance of being approved, so let's gogogogo


Nope


Care to elaborate?


I think you should read up since we've discussed it already. Particularly the part where TW came into the game, cast shade on everyone in the original group, and then put up a new one with "this looks right."

You come into the thread, in a spot no one can read because Calix didn't do anything, and immediately put up a team without any discussion or any sort of posting that would allow us to read you or any sort of reasoning for the team you picked. I mean you gave a couple reasons on Grack but they weren't really that good.

And so far you've just been floating around not doing anything complaining the game is dead.

~SilverWolf77


The issue for me is that I was dropped in as leader at the same time as replacement, it was my excitement to get going! I prefer to give team first and discuss afterwards since I think it's the best way to find a mutually agreeable team.

That was just my feeling following the game since I'm used to more active mafia games
On January 31 2017 22:14 Silverika wrote:
On January 31 2017 17:59 emperorchampion wrote:
Cause grack's a bro:

Scum hunting:
On January 28 2017 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:
I liked his confident (and correct) put down of Vivax's leader logic.
On January 28 2017 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
can't even give you townie cred for winning an argument against vivax. come on, v, get a real reason to scumread rtani

His follow up also seems genuine to me. If he had entered the thread with that comment as scum, I would have expected him to use that as justification for having more suspicion/uncertainty on Vivax.
On January 28 2017 08:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On January 28 2017 08:07 Vivax wrote:
On January 28 2017 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
can't even give you townie cred for winning an argument against vivax. come on, v, get a real reason to scumread rtani

Reading between the lines this means that you're fine with superbia and swika but not fine with me not being fine with rtanisoul?

no, I think you may be even townier for being this bad but I also politely request you be less bad
also I am just examining super and swika, and rtani to an extent, just now



Town circling:
On January 30 2017 18:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On January 30 2017 18:15 Superbia wrote:
Gracky, who would you put on a team?

I reread through your filter and you actually looked better than I thought.

So I don't know lol. One spot would have to go to Ikawolf.


I put my nomination early cause I'm pretty fine with any of my town reads:
super/silver/grack


Can you explain all these towreads and why in particular you chose to exclude us from your team of the three you townread? Also, you townread three people but then put this post in:

On January 31 2017 20:30 emperorchampion wrote:
tumble/silver/super ?

Basically if the leader puts themselves or not, the question is about who get the more information. Leader putting themselves gives more info to the leader, otherwise gives more info to whoever they put in. So it's a question about who you trust. Not sure I fully trust 2 other people yet though.


So you townread three people and would be o.k. with any of them but get some heat and suddenly it's like, you aren't sure you fully trust two people?


~SilverWolf77


super / you having similar thoughts points towards both being town. Similar aggression and level of involvement I think reinforce. I liked super's interactions with tumble. Gracks town read is lower than between you two.

I prefer to be on the team since I view it like controlling the variables. In this case it's Grack. If it's not going to pass then obviously there's no point in pushing it, so yeah I'm willing to compromise.

Other teams I have in mind are silver/super/tumble, which I saw is already OK for you? Or I think silver/super/vivax is OK.

We will yay-vote silver/super/tumble. Have issues with Vivax though.

On February 01 2017 00:07 RtaniSoul wrote:
Our biggest problem is that we don't want vivax subbing in for tumble. Kinda equal between Super/Vivax.


On January 30 2017 08:46 Vivax wrote:
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On January 30 2017 08:41 Silverika wrote:
On January 30 2017 06:35 sharkie wrote:
Oh god calix is next leader, can we afford that?


This is why I'm kind of annoyed the first one didn't pass. That said, Calix's complete lack of activity is unusual for her as either alignment and if we could get a replacement in, if needed, that would probably help a lot with reading that slot.

~SilverWolf


Would you be fine with superbia/you/tumble?

On January 30 2017 08:47 Vivax wrote:
I'm blatantly advertising this team so we actually get something to pass at some point and if you have issues with any of its members speak up.


On February 01 2017 01:08 emperorchampion wrote:
##UN-nominate: emperorchampion grackattack super
##nominate: super silver tumble

@grack I think I prefer to have super or myself over vivax on the team you mention



2) Super/Tumble/Silver are still town, but in this scenario one of Vivax/Artisoul/EC is secretly hoping that the team does not pass, and they were only in favor of the team to try to appear townie.

*For this scenario I could only really see this being true with mafia! Artisoul. Vivax wanted the Tumble/Super/Silver team early on and EC laid out several different teams that he could have chosen from before settling on Tumble/Super/Silver.

3) At least one of Super/Tumble/Silver is mafia.

I believe that this should be all of the possible scenarios. I think the 3rd one is the most likely. I know my role so I know that 1 isn't possible. But even if I didn't I would be quite surprised if both Sharkie and Sicklucker are mafia.

in the hours leading up to the deadline for the team, yet you refused to swap Super or even Tumble out for Grack despite stating yourself a willingness to do so:
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On February 01 2017 06:42 emperorchampion wrote:
On February 01 2017 06:27 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 01 2017 06:26 emperorchampion wrote:
@art I don't really see a compelling reason to switch super for grack? makes sense to put both on to me

Sorry this is from mobile


we trust grack more than super if it's all equal to you that shouldn't be an issue, right?


I mean I trust supe more I think lol

Idk where tumble is tho, maybe tumble for grack


Why did you still go with silver/super/tumble instead of subbing one of the latter for Grack?


I mean I pretty much picked the team to see how tumble and super will deal with each, and on the basis of townread on super and silver. So tumble and super not posting at all after that was a bit meh. I still felt like the team was valid for the original reasons though. In addition neither posted in the last cycle, I think super has dropped a bit for me.

In retrospect yeah I maybe should have swapped super -> grack, but part of me is worried why it's such an issue 1hr before the deadline, and not maybe 6hrs ago when I proposed it. Also an issue for me was that I pretty much wasn't actually able to switch the teams since I was busy with irl stuff. So yeah it's pretty annoying to have that happen right before the end of the deadline. In the end I just decided it was better to go with what I had originally thought than swap right then.


Are you still waffly on super? What do you think of neither tumble nor super posting in the last cycle?
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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
February 02 2017 12:57 GMT
#699
On February 02 2017 06:29 Silverika wrote:
At this point, I think the spies have a plan to townread us until we get on a mission, then cast shade on us-notice it's happened twice, as a justification to continue to reject missions.

Also, RtaniSoul is probably scum for rejecting mission using the same logic they are scumreading us for.

So them, sicklucker, and we just need to find one more-ika thinks it's sharkie due to Chairman Ray speaking like they were not a part of town.

So there ya go.

~SilverWolf77


im really not a spy tho...
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 02 2017 12:58 GMT
#700
On February 02 2017 19:25 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2017 19:16 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also if you don't want us in the team, put sharkie there instead of super. I'd vote for that.


Approved. I like his thoughts to the super and tumble matter as I also dislike them much more since they literally didn't care. And I like that you suggest this.

Next suggestion is

Sharkie/Ika/Grack

I would approve that team.
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