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On January 18 2017 01:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 01:14 Holyflare wrote:
rels just outline like five bullet points why you're voting me and don't say you've already posted why Dont need five. The thing you "hate the most" in this game doesn't make sense. Hapa can totally scumread Damdred without taking the LS thing into account. You take the LS thing into account like it's the Graal. I can totally see Hapa thinking it doesn't mean shit and not taking it into account. But you used it as the thing you hated most about him. THEN JUST AFTER THAT YOU VOTED DAMDRED. Even though scum!Damdred would never hard townread LS like that right. It doesn't make sense. It was an easy cop out vote.
it's one point that I disliked in the game the most at the time (like 10 hours into the game)???? it's not the importance of the point and I don't give a shit if hapa read it, commented on it and disliked it and didn't want to use it to call someone scum
he "Couldn't possibly think of anything other than damdred doing not much" he has NO reasons from anywhere in the thread to think anything, he isn't weighing up anything objectively
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On January 18 2017 01:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 01:17 Vivax wrote:
I can outline one point for why I think HF is scum:
He used an argument that must mean he thought "Damdred is mafia and he townread LS so Damdred isn't mafia" against Hapa.
And when he used it, it wasn't even very relevant to Hapa pointing out that it was simply the closest thing to a real read Damdred had. you're so full of shit post it so i can destroy you I already posted it one hundred times it's just that it seems to be hard to comprehend.
you posted it and I rebutted it but for some reason it was too hard for you to understand so repost it so we can have a conversation because I'm actually here and will be here annoying you till the end of the cycle
so cough up
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On January 18 2017 01:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 01:14 Rels wrote:On January 18 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 01:08 Rels wrote:On January 18 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote:On January 18 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:
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which I think I hate by far the most This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK. He votes Damdred after that. He talks about Damdred without talking about LS: On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town. It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards. This comes back in my first post of the day bro? Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ? How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because: A) coinflippy B) pressure is great C) don't actually know damdred's alignment The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up. Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence? Ok rels. Yeah. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how that makes sense. So it's a reason so important that Hapa not using it to townread Damdred is scummy; but not so important that you're not really sure about Damdred. I think you're scum. I think that's exactly the kind of thing we need to get you caught as scum. You're not thinking about the game as a whole. Just applying logical stuff to Hapa, then logical stuff to Damdred. But they don't match. that's not the point at all wtf? it's that there's MANY MANY MANY REASONS that aren't "the thread ain't saying shit" that have would a change on your stance on a person, the LS read being ONE OF THESE hapa mentions NONE NOT ONE NADA ZILCH he states multiple times that he has an issue scum reading people in this game WHILE HIGHLIGHTING REASONS TO SCUM READ PEOPLE THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE unless Hapa used this "Damdred != LS" argument somewhere then forgets about it when he talks about Damdred. Otherwise WHY CANT HE THINK THAT ITS A BS ARGUMENT ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? He never mentions this argument once. Never discusses anything about damdred. Never talks about anything to do with damdred other than to damdred himself. His reason to vote damdred is solely that damdred is sheeping ME (another argument being that if damdred is solely sheeping me, why am I the mafia?). That's his only argumentation on voting damdred. There are many points in the thread that can make you lean one way or the other in damdred and each of them has some sort of effect on what you think of damdred. At all points in the game a good player, such as hapa, looks at these points and objectively weighs them up, makes an informed decision and a vote. What do we get from hapa? That he's struggling to find reasons that someone is mafia? That he can't see one bit of information in this thread that could make him lean one way or the other one someone? I think that's an utter crock of shit. I have so many "scum reads" because there's so much already information in this thread that people could go on that's already been made and can be used. Hapa doesn't even look at these points either he just accuses me of doing nothing with it while not even exploring to think it's right and then his return is just that I'm "omgusing" him when it's not like that at all because these are actual legit reasons to scum read hapa THAT YOU SHARED. I think Hapa is town now. I changed my mind. That's what people do on D1 when they're looking for scum.
good for you because I wholeheartedly disagree
what has he done in his return? comment on a thing say dingdinding and leave again after you switched? that's called getting the mafia objective done and leaving again
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ok i'm going to try something new
outline a few key points on why hapa is town for me
i'll outline a few on why he's mafia
we'll meet in the middle
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On January 18 2017 01:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:15 Vivax wrote:On January 17 2017 23:08 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 23:01 Vivax wrote:On January 17 2017 22:58 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 22:51 Vivax wrote:
And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be.
What's your read on each other anyways? Town. Your reasons are bad. Onegu reasons are bad. Stop being bad. Bad reasons are still better than no reason how the hell can you townread HF so confidently it's not like your first game on the site. And I just displayed twice or thrice how he made a nonsense argument on Hapa and you just overlook it. I don't townread HF confidelty. I think I'll never townread HF confidently 'cause he's a super good scum. He seems town for now though. The way he pressured Damdred at the beginning then stopped. The way he expressed having lots of people he wants to lynch. And he's seeing the same things I do on Hapa's filter. And I have just shown how he made an argument that only makes sense for someone believing or knowing that Damdred is mafia. Damdred is town cause he hard townread LS and he only does that as mafia, is more or less what he said. I repeat what I said earlier, with the most important parts onyl quoted: What HF said: Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred In response to Hapa: The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time. from HFs perspective it looks like: Hapa is scumreading Damdred cause his only read of own volition was LS. Hapa shouldn't cause LS said mafia Damdred never hard town reads him. Damdred is mafia and hard townreads LS, ergo he is not mafia.Might be TMI shining through here. But either way HFs entire Damdred read seems foul.
Now if you can explain that away in a credible way I will be able to believe that you are townreading HF, but until then, the line of reasoning he used doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how anyone townie can say that.
I don't think damdred is town because he town read LS and only does that as town. On a sliding scale of points meta about someone is pretty low down there.
as I've outlined in this post:
HF votes damdred early game cos points
HF drops points cos what hapa said and afks vote
Hapa scum reads damdred for being lazy (superficial as fuck)
HF doesn't care and will join whatever wagon to make people do stuff and not having to write a new vote is nice
HF goes to read hapa cos bored and sees questioning on ls but no follow up. Sees all crap reasoning for scum reading everyone.
Hapa doesn't acknowledge any points about damdred from external sources, says he'll check damdred's meta, switches off damdred onto me for being lazy instead of content. Says I have lots of scum reads THAT HE SHOULD SHARE GOING BY WHAT HE'S POSTED BUT DOESN'T.
Realise hapa has no care about any reasoning or posts in this game other than voting for activity reasons.
I've bolded it for you, I didn't care about the damdred thing I just wanted to see damdred post more. At no point did I scum read him or really town read him.
here's another bit:
Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.
it looks like shit because I fired it off on my phone but it should look like:
"There's a tonne of stuff on damdred which you haven't even considered:
Town reasons
ls read
lazy meta
openness to do things
sheeping a good player
lost (you know because if damdred is lost and hapa is also lost why doesn't he acknowledge that?)
scum reasons
sheeping a good player by exclusively copying their points
damdred's false meta on LS that turned out to be wrong but damdred not acknowledging it
afk excuse that never existed before
but hapa instead has his only reason being ONE THING out of all of those reasons WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY saying that he's lost. It's bs, you can't be lost in this game when there's already 8 reasons for one afk player to read them an alignment
I don't care about the meta, I don't care about damdred, I care that hapahauli, a good player of mafia, says that he's lost but never comments on any of these relevant points about the player he is scum reading the most
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On January 18 2017 01:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
ok i'm going to try something new
outline a few key points on why hapa is town for me
i'll outline a few on why he's mafia
we'll meet in the middle I realize this might be directed at Rels but. I don't want this to be between you and Hapa but between you and Damdred. And in regards to Damdred you also have made very little sense the entire game. You said that he rolls over and dies as town and that's your only reason to believe he isn't mafia when to me his filter screams a lot that he is, since it's void of scumhunting. Hapa seems to realize that and you don't. Which is a further reason for me to not trust you, but find Hapa more believable.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I don't think damdred is town or mafia. I have seen him do absolutely nothing as town and critcised him for it and THAT'S WHY I LEFT MY VOTE ON HIM SO HE'D DO STUFF.
And then hapa happened.
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On January 18 2017 01:33 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
ok i'm going to try something new
outline a few key points on why hapa is town for me
i'll outline a few on why he's mafia
we'll meet in the middle Have you ever read any of my scumgames? Like honestly. I cannot imagine that you are this unfamiliar with my scum meta and how fucking awful I am as mafia.
I think I've played like 1-2 games with you the entirety of my mafia career and one of them being a game with me as 3p and themed (were you even in that game I don't even know). I don't imagine this is how you'd play at all as someone who has been lynched once your entire mafia career but you're welcome to show me I'm wrong.
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I don't care about the meta, I don't care about damdred, I care that hapahauli, a good player of mafia, says that he's lost but never comments on any of these relevant points about the player he is scum reading the most
The problem I have hapa is this:
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On January 18 2017 01:36 Hapahauli wrote:
If you're going to be too lazy to give an accurate read on me, then you're mafia and you should die.
what do you mean too lazy to give an accurate read? I can't access teamliquid at work and I don't have internet in my office the only reason I can play is because I take breaks in the top floor toilet and can only use tl hearthstone as a janky work around or like now where I've got home
I haven't read filters for like the past 8 games
maybe you have a higher opinion of the old me than the new me
but that doesn't make me mafia as many people have told you I can be lazy or I can be try hard
prove to me that I'm wrong my friend
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On January 18 2017 01:41 Bill Murray wrote:
r u calling him boring hf?
he types a lot of stuff in the thread but none of it contains thought because there's nothing happening in his head that I can see
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On January 18 2017 01:39 Vivax wrote:
HF I read the post where you talk from your perspective but found it to miss my point. The point I made was that you replied to Hapa that he was supposed to update his opinion based on that Damdred/LS meta. Yet the update would only be feasible if Damdred is actually mafia, which you shouldn't know and don't believe.
And not only that, Hapa didn't have any beef with the read itself, just that it was the only read he could find. So you also missed the point there.
And I can name a difference between Damdred and Hapa. While you seem so intent on underlining that they both seem lost, the difference is that one tried to do something about it and the other didn't.
the damdred/ls point is more than just the point itself it represents the thread as a whole and hapa not updating his read based on any other point in the thread about damdred or even acknowledging them (why didn't he bring up that I said that damdred's meta of ls was wrong for instance and that damdred has done nothing about it? why hasn't he mentioned anything about damdred's meta when he randomly metad slam?)
and no from your perspective where you think this that would make damdred TOWN.
if I think hapa should update his read solely based on the meta point (I don't) then that would mean the meta point is legitimate and damdred is town. I honestly don't get what you're even trying to say though.
And, no, two different people that have different playstyles doing things that their play styles do doesn't make each one an alignment. Hapa is known to type words and damdred is known to do nothing. It doesn't make each one doing their respective trait an alignment.
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On January 18 2017 01:48 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 01:44 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 01:36 Hapahauli wrote:
If you're going to be too lazy to give an accurate read on me, then you're mafia and you should die. what do you mean too lazy to give an accurate read? I can't access teamliquid at work and I don't have internet in my office the only reason I can play is because I take breaks in the top floor toilet and can only use tl hearthstone as a janky work around or like now where I've got home I haven't read filters for like the past 8 games maybe you have a higher opinion of the old me than the new me but that doesn't make me mafia as many people have told you I can be lazy or I can be try hard prove to me that I'm wrong my friend I definitely have a higher opinion of you. However I think even lazy-town HF would have looked much much different than what you're doign.
if you care then link me your mafia games with a liquid hearthstone filter link please
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On January 18 2017 01:51 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 01:26 Rels wrote:On January 18 2017 01:22 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 01:21 Rels wrote:On January 18 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 01:14 Rels wrote:On January 18 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 01:08 Rels wrote:On January 18 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote:
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Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ? How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because: A) coinflippy B) pressure is great C) don't actually know damdred's alignment The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up. Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence? Ok rels. Yeah. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how that makes sense. So it's a reason so important that Hapa not using it to townread Damdred is scummy; but not so important that you're not really sure about Damdred. I think you're scum. I think that's exactly the kind of thing we need to get you caught as scum. You're not thinking about the game as a whole. Just applying logical stuff to Hapa, then logical stuff to Damdred. But they don't match. that's not the point at all wtf? it's that there's MANY MANY MANY REASONS that aren't "the thread ain't saying shit" that have would a change on your stance on a person, the LS read being ONE OF THESE hapa mentions NONE NOT ONE NADA ZILCH he states multiple times that he has an issue scum reading people in this game WHILE HIGHLIGHTING REASONS TO SCUM READ PEOPLE THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE unless Hapa used this "Damdred != LS" argument somewhere then forgets about it when he talks about Damdred. Otherwise WHY CANT HE THINK THAT ITS A BS ARGUMENT ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? He never mentions this argument once. Never discusses anything about damdred. Never talks about anything to do with damdred other than to damdred himself. His reason to vote damdred is solely that damdred is sheeping ME (another argument being that if damdred is solely sheeping me, why am I the mafia?). That's his only argumentation on voting damdred. There are many points in the thread that can make you lean one way or the other in damdred and each of them has some sort of effect on what you think of damdred. At all points in the game a good player, such as hapa, looks at these points and objectively weighs them up, makes an informed decision and a vote. What do we get from hapa? That he's struggling to find reasons that someone is mafia? That he can't see one bit of information in this thread that could make him lean one way or the other one someone? I think that's an utter crock of shit. I have so many "scum reads" because there's so much already information in this thread that people could go on that's already been made and can be used. Hapa doesn't even look at these points either he just accuses me of doing nothing with it while not even exploring to think it's right and then his return is just that I'm "omgusing" him when it's not like that at all because these are actual legit reasons to scum read hapa THAT YOU SHARED. I think Hapa is town now. I changed my mind. That's what people do on D1 when they're looking for scum. good for you because I wholeheartedly disagree what has he done in his return? comment on a thing say dingdinding and leave again after you switched? that's called getting the mafia objective done and leaving again He had a few posts that felt really townie. When he was tilted. Then the joy when I finally got your weird read. He didn't attack me when I was the easy target. In fact, he didn't attack the easy targets. He attacked you. Probably the hardest target of all if you're town. His post where he went "IDK what to do I kinda think everyone is town" was townie. He looked into Slam meta even though Slam was never the main lynch. Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
ok i'm going to try something new
outline a few key points on why hapa is town for me
i'll outline a few on why he's mafia
we'll meet in the middle Why is hapa scum ?
Hapa spent the first half of the cycle with 0 scum reads.
He wanted people to discuss as much as they could but instead of letting people discuss and possibly get more information he was more concerned about getting called out for inactivity and shutting down the damdred push only to say it's not alignment indicative.
Hapa asks pointless questions that lead nowhere and don't seem to formulate into a thought process that leads from one place to another. For instance, his questions on damdred's posts in regards to hapa (that soft defences make damdred happy and then not) don't make sense because it's quite obviously not scummy to contradict yourself within four minutes. Hapa presses this point when the answers are obvious and lead absolutely nowhere (one of his two only "pushes????" in the game).
Hapa doesn't use any thread point of views from any person in this thread to formulate a read on anyone. He bypasses actual thread content to then push surface level things (damdred is mafia for not doing much) and ignores when something contradicts that (for instance many people saying I'm lazy and me telling him damdred's meta can be what he called him mafia for).
All hapa's points are surface level: his push on damdred/onegu(this is like wtf because onege pushed slam for obvious no reasons)/me all. ALL. for inactivity/not pushing things.
Hapa's posts are interspersed with questions that are made to think like he's following up on stuff and leading somewhere but then never concluding anything from it despite the things being scummy or towny for example his ls question of "oh ls is playing to his scum meta now, what's up?" but ls never appearing ever again in his filter.
Hapa's inability to find scum despite being one of the best people on the site not being able to find mafia when there's many reasons to mafia read people is ridiculous.
Hapa's vote on damdred COMPLETELY disappearing after damdred has done absolutely nothing to change that. Hapa's scum team was damdred/slam and damdred afkd. Hapa's reason to get off damdred is that mafia aren't trying to change it. If mafia are slam and damdred like he thought then how is slam the afker going to change anything and how is damdred going to change that within the minimal amount of hours that hapa had already unvoted. No chance was given for damdred to do anything that warranted the unvote.
Hapa just cares about pushing things to look good but not about the answers or how he gets there, see case.jpg for further info
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On January 18 2017 01:59 Vivax wrote:
The thought just occurred to me that mafia isn't trying to lynch Damdred.
Hapa doesn't want to lynch Damdred.
Rels doesn't.
HF doesn't.
These are the guys I'm wondering about being scum mostly for the moment.
Nobody except me seems to do. I'm like an open arms invitation to a Damdred mislynch since any scummer will know I'm supporting it and will try to put as much weight as possible behind it.
And that's fishy.
And LS looks fishy too cause he simply isn't around.
I don't care about lynching damdred. For the last time I think he's a coin flip.
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Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.
Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.
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On January 18 2017 02:06 Hapahauli wrote:
HF, that case is entirely bullshit, because you assume this is a normal game. It's not. Up until this morning, it's been an unproductive snoozefest where no one has been able to do much of anything, let alone look townie or find mafia.
What do you make of my push on you? You obviously disagree with it as either alignment. But is the push likely to come from town me or mafia me?
I have no idea because I don't know what a staple town you or mafia you is. I'm going by what I imagine a player that has been lynched 0-1 times as town would play and I know you're capable of wall of flashy text. I think all your reasons for voting people are surface level and say nothing.
It has minimal pages but there's a LOT of content to go on.
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On January 18 2017 02:08 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.
Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around. what do u mean its the other way around, now?
ls is voting me over hapa
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I don't particularly care about being lynched but please actually read hapa's filter/my posts afterwards, don't let him slide.
I'll try and put in the work in the last 20 minutes that I have?
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On January 18 2017 02:09 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 02:07 Bill Murray wrote:On January 18 2017 02:06 Vivax wrote:On January 18 2017 02:03 Hapahauli wrote:On January 18 2017 01:59 Vivax wrote:
The thought just occurred to me that mafia isn't trying to lynch Damdred.
Hapa doesn't want to lynch Damdred.
Rels doesn't.
HF doesn't.
These are the guys I'm wondering about being scum mostly for the moment.
Nobody except me seems to do. I'm like an open arms invitation to a Damdred mislynch since any scummer will know I'm supporting it and will try to put as much weight as possible behind it.
And that's fishy.
And LS looks fishy too cause he simply isn't around. I think everyone in the thread would "settle" for a Damdred lynch, which I dislike a lot. I don't think mafia has been pushing much of anything, mostly because they haven't had to. Why would you dislike it if it's obvious that mafia isn't pushing him, as I am the only one? If HF is mafia and Damdred isn't, why is nobody besides me trying to bring more attention to Damdred? HF himself not trying to deflect the lynch off himself onto Damdred looks townie at glance but I treat it as wifom. hf tunneled onto hapa all game and still Yes but I have offered him plenty of opportunity to jump on Damdred and he didn't. He didn't eat the bait. And I don't see why you continue that line when I just said it's wifom.
damdred
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I don't think hapa is.
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On January 18 2017 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:On mobile Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.
Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around. I liked you plus vivax's case on HF when I caught up and I also noted how I thought hf was a little nitpicky on Damdred -.-
Which I dropped when I completely saw the points hapa made??? Explain why it was nitpicky LS.
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