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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 11:09 GMT
#521
Just because I vote someone doesn't mean I think they are definitely mafia :p
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 11:22 GMT
#522
Your hf perspective should be:

HF votes damdred early game cos points

HF drops points cos what hapa said and afks vote

Hapa scum reads damdred for being lazy (superficial as fuck)

HF doesn't care and will join whatever wagon to make people do stuff and not having to write a new vote is nice

HF goes to read hapa cos bored and sees questioning on ls but no follow up. Sees all crap reasoning for scum reading everyone.

Hapa doesn't acknowledge any points about damdred from external sources, says he'll check damdred's meta, switches off damdred onto me for being lazy instead of content. Says I have lots of scum reads THAT HE SHOULD SHARE GOING BY WHAT HE'S POSTED BUT DOESN'T.

Realise hapa has no care about any reasoning or posts in this game other than voting for activity reasons.


The problem with hapa this game and it's what rels has linked is that hapa is behaving exactly the same and has no real content. Is this what you expect from a guy on the list of townies not lynched (well once ever)? I do not think so at all. There's being a bit lost for good reasons such as being lost in content that nobody gives a shit about changing and then there's being lost because all you're concerned about is voting lazy people and lynches that don't go anywhere.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 11:23 GMT
#523
Hapa is the definition of feigned activity.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 11:36 GMT
#524
Look at it this way vivax. Join the Hapahauli wagon and he is either mafia and dies because he can't put out any meaningful content or he's town and will live up to his nature of being lynched once ever.

I think he's very likely mafia so that's a bonus
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 12:44 GMT
#530
On January 17 2017 21:32 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.

##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.

What happened to Slam, your second scumread read ?


I'm pretty sure he re-read and said he liked some posts.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 12:48 GMT
#532
Slam's opening was bad, but I liked the subsequent posts. He makes observations that are matter-of-fact and very self-aware. There's also a huge lynchbait factor here. In his own words, Slam is not a good communicator regardless of alignment


Right there dude.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 12:53 GMT
#536
I don't even think it's a town read?? It's a town read + lynch bait comment?? Lynchbait implies he's scummy but could be town which doesn't seem to fit here.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 12:54 GMT
#537
Also I've signed myself off work cos I have rsi sooo yay free day. Should I see passengers or la la land?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 12:56 GMT
#541
Repetitive strain
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 13:05 GMT
#543
Something like that
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 13:41 GMT
#550
It's absolutely 0 to do with damdred
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 13:43 GMT
#552
Well it does but that post was made exclusively to call out hapa not caring about things in the thread
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 15:46 GMT
#639
On January 17 2017 23:06 Hapahauli wrote:
On Holyflare:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
I'll draw you a pretty picture of where I'm at when I finish work.

Hapa how come you think I'm mafia when my list of potential mafia are everyone you've been calling out? Ls, you've said he starts to fit damdred's meta of being lazy but never follow that up further and "at a stretch" he's not even in your list of, now 3, mafia suspects.

You wanted to lynch damdred for what reason? That he's playing the same as you and that's it?

Onegu? Not doing anything?

Me? Not pushing stuff?

This list of people is incredibly superficial and you have no actual reasons, despite there being ACTUAL reasons to scum read these people or town read them.


Missing the point.

Me and a lot of other people this game have had problems finding suspicious people. Ergo, lynch lurkers.
You apparently think everyone is mafia. Ergo... lynch lurkers?

Very much not the same. I and others have reached my conclusions based on how lost we have felt with the game. You are seemingly sitting on a trove of information and leads and are not doing anything wiht them. Ergo, mafia.

Show nested quote +
Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.

None of the above feature in your thoughts whatsoever (maybe 1 does) but you never bother pushing it or enquiring more or conversing with other people. You're not thinking critically about the game, you're throwing out names of people for lazy/low activity/no content and hoping something sticks.


What the actual fuck does Damdred have to do anything with? How in the actual fuck does the bolded make any sense towards me being mafia?

I had my vote on Damdred. I didn't' like it. I posted in detail at the top of 26 why. Then I voted you because I'm more suspicious of you.

And how do you call me mafia for throwing out lazy/low activity names AFTER I MAKE MY CASE ON YOU?!!

You are not this thick as town.


Damdred is IMPORTANT because your literal vote for damdred is due to him being lazy and posting IN RESPONSE AND FOLLOWING ME. Now that's really really important because all of that was complete bs on your part. Playing lazy and reactive is not a mafia trait (it's not alignment indicative at all) but that's ALL you had. There's all that information I listed which is relevant, which you haven't formulated in any post in this game, which you haven't pushed or questioned. You didn't CARE about damdred's alignment, you were just posting to post. Nothing looks like you're reading into something and weighing it up, not one bit.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 15:53 GMT
#645
On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.


This comes back in my first post of the day bro?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 15:57 GMT
#648
On January 18 2017 00:49 Rels wrote:
hello HF. Why so mad ? Hapa is scum anyway right ?


Because you quoted something that isn't true and rolled with it and suddenly all the lurkers (solely ls) returns to completely backtrack on his original point and vote me.

I'm coming home now. Expect sick nasty try harding. My passion has been invigorated.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 16:00 GMT
#652
On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:
On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.


This comes back in my first post of the day bro?

Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ?


How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because:

A) coinflippy
B) pressure is great
C) don't actually know damdred's alignment

The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up.

Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence?

Ok rels.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 16:12 GMT
#670
On January 18 2017 01:08 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
[quote]

the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:
On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.


This comes back in my first post of the day bro?

Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ?


How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because:

A) coinflippy
B) pressure is great
C) don't actually know damdred's alignment

The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up.

Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence?

Ok rels.

Yeah. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how that makes sense. So it's a reason so important that Hapa not using it to townread Damdred is scummy; but not so important that you're not really sure about Damdred.
I think you're scum. I think that's exactly the kind of thing we need to get you caught as scum. You're not thinking about the game as a whole. Just applying logical stuff to Hapa, then logical stuff to Damdred. But they don't match.


that's not the point at all wtf?

it's that there's MANY MANY MANY REASONS that aren't "the thread ain't saying shit" that have would a change on your stance on a person, the LS read being ONE OF THESE

hapa mentions NONE

NOT ONE

NADA

ZILCH

he states multiple times that he has an issue scum reading people in this game WHILE HIGHLIGHTING REASONS TO SCUM READ PEOPLE
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 16:14 GMT
#676
rels just outline like five bullet points why you're voting me and don't say you've already posted why
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 16:19 GMT
#680
On January 18 2017 01:14 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:08 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
[quote]
this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:
On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.


This comes back in my first post of the day bro?

Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ?


How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because:

A) coinflippy
B) pressure is great
C) don't actually know damdred's alignment

The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up.

Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence?

Ok rels.

Yeah. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how that makes sense. So it's a reason so important that Hapa not using it to townread Damdred is scummy; but not so important that you're not really sure about Damdred.
I think you're scum. I think that's exactly the kind of thing we need to get you caught as scum. You're not thinking about the game as a whole. Just applying logical stuff to Hapa, then logical stuff to Damdred. But they don't match.


that's not the point at all wtf?

it's that there's MANY MANY MANY REASONS that aren't "the thread ain't saying shit" that have would a change on your stance on a person, the LS read being ONE OF THESE

hapa mentions NONE

NOT ONE

NADA

ZILCH

he states multiple times that he has an issue scum reading people in this game WHILE HIGHLIGHTING REASONS TO SCUM READ PEOPLE

THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE unless Hapa used this "Damdred != LS" argument somewhere then forgets about it when he talks about Damdred. Otherwise WHY CANT HE THINK THAT ITS A BS ARGUMENT


??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

He never mentions this argument once. Never discusses anything about damdred. Never talks about anything to do with damdred other than to damdred himself. His reason to vote damdred is solely that damdred is sheeping ME (another argument being that if damdred is solely sheeping me, why am I the mafia?). That's his only argumentation on voting damdred. There are many points in the thread that can make you lean one way or the other in damdred and each of them has some sort of effect on what you think of damdred. At all points in the game a good player, such as hapa, looks at these points and objectively weighs them up, makes an informed decision and a vote.

What do we get from hapa? That he's struggling to find reasons that someone is mafia? That he can't see one bit of information in this thread that could make him lean one way or the other one someone?

I think that's an utter crock of shit. I have so many "scum reads" because there's so much already information in this thread that people could go on that's already been made and can be used. Hapa doesn't even look at these points either he just accuses me of doing nothing with it while not even exploring to think it's right and then his return is just that I'm "omgusing" him when it's not like that at all because these are actual legit reasons to scum read hapa THAT YOU SHARED.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 16:19 GMT
#682
On January 18 2017 01:17 Vivax wrote:
I can outline one point for why I think HF is scum:

He used an argument that must mean he thought "Damdred is mafia and he townread LS so Damdred isn't mafia" against Hapa.

And when he used it, it wasn't even very relevant to Hapa pointing out that it was simply the closest thing to a real read Damdred had.


you're so full of shit

post it so i can destroy you
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