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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 17:10 GMT
#381
On January 17 2017 01:59 Holyflare wrote:
Uh who was saying ls doesn't post links to filters as mafia? Cos he does in one of his games

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 17:10 GMT
#382
You checked rels?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 17:23 GMT
#394
On January 17 2017 02:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 01:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 17 2017 00:57 Damdred wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Maybe I just a sucker to Damdred since I haven't played with him for a while and I really missed playing with him.


I missed you to baby boy.

Hey what you think of Hapa vs HF from last night or at least clairify this post a little bit more:
On January 16 2017 09:47 Damdred wrote:
Eh if like to talk some actually hf.

I don't like hapa post for a couple reasons. One I don't want to talk about as you kinda covered it.

But he soft defended me and I hate soft defends. Like I think its a great mafia thing to do asbit leaves his options open which he does.




He's answered you numerous times I swear.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 17:24 GMT
#398
Have no fear I have a day 3+ mafia catching strategy that has worked 100% of the two times I've used it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 19:26 GMT
#427
On January 17 2017 02:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
On January 17 2017 01:59 Holyflare wrote:
Uh who was saying ls doesn't post links to filters as mafia? Cos he does in one of his games


Fwiw this has also been answered


yes it's been answered and it has been acknowledged clearly but yet nobody who made that read (damdred/rels) seem to give a shit that it even exists and haven't updated their reads accordingly

no likey
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 19:29 GMT
#428
onegu why are you making reads that you contradict instantly just by reading? why not just wait?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 20:08 GMT
#434
I'm at a bit of an impasse because I think there could actually be too many scum :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 20:14 GMT
#436
I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant

then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy

then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 20:20 GMT
#437
The problem I absolutely have with Hapa is that I find everything he does scummy but then he just answers it with a nice post which kind of eases my suspicions because "oooo nice post" but then does absolutely nothing.

I know Hapa can write long flashy paragraphs and look good and I don't think it's much of a stretch for a good wall of text player to look all shiny and blend in this way.

At a lot of points in this game there's little tidbits of information that Hapa glosses over to make a post (such as the damdred/ls thing) and he just seems to be existing, much like he's criticising damdred for and that bugs me a lot.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 20:22 GMT
#438
I'm in a deep deep deep web of association theories and I don't like it

send help
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 20:23 GMT
#440
I literally have no fucking idea what he says and hope that he does something towny like last game because he's capable of that
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 20:24 GMT
#442
but it's a sad sad day when alakaslam has more content than 1/2 of the game after talking about his bowel problems
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 16 2017 20:26 GMT
#443
I'm just gonna sit on damdred and see where it goes, it's majority shit lynch anyway.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 17 2017 07:15 GMT
#513
Being lazy doesn't make me mafia lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 17 2017 07:20 GMT
#514
It's majority lynch so I don't particularly care who who gets lynched. I'm sad Damdred didn't do much at all though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 17 2017 08:53 GMT
#515
I don't even think damdred is that likely mafia :D :D :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 17 2017 08:53 GMT
#516
Kind of
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 17 2017 09:07 GMT
#517
I'll draw you a pretty picture of where I'm at when I finish work.

Hapa how come you think I'm mafia when my list of potential mafia are everyone you've been calling out? Ls, you've said he starts to fit damdred's meta of being lazy but never follow that up further and "at a stretch" he's not even in your list of, now 3, mafia suspects.

You wanted to lynch damdred for what reason? That he's playing the same as you and that's it?

Onegu? Not doing anything?

Me? Not pushing stuff?

This list of people is incredibly superficial and you have no actual reasons, despite there being ACTUAL reasons to scum read these people or town read them.

Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.

None of the above feature in your thoughts whatsoever (maybe 1 does) but you never bother pushing it or enquiring more or conversing with other people. You're not thinking critically about the game, you're throwing out names of people for lazy/low activity/no content and hoping something sticks.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 17 2017 09:20 GMT
#518
On January 17 2017 01:02 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 05:39 Damdred wrote:
On January 16 2017 05:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.

How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!

You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.

States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).

And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.

And that went on longer than I wanted


Okay.

Is this a case you would make on other townies, or is there something meta-specific here about LS? How confident is this read, scale of 1 to 10?



It's something meta specific to ls. He's incredibly lazy, isn't really confrontational and lays super low as scum.

He can get past these of his partner is someone he lives and pushed his buttons and rides him hard.

I would give it an 7-8 atm. Probably halfway through the day I can lock in depending. But some nice meta things on ls.


Damdred, update me on this. Right now, I'm seeing the bolded from LS.


On January 17 2017 01:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 01:07 Damdred wrote:
On January 17 2017 01:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 16 2017 05:39 Damdred wrote:
On January 16 2017 05:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.

How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!

You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.

States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).

And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.

And that went on longer than I wanted


Okay.

Is this a case you would make on other townies, or is there something meta-specific here about LS? How confident is this read, scale of 1 to 10?



It's something meta specific to ls. He's incredibly lazy, isn't really confrontational and lays super low as scum.

He can get past these of his partner is someone he lives and pushed his buttons and rides him hard.

I would give it an 7-8 atm. Probably halfway through the day I can lock in depending. But some nice meta things on ls.


Damdred, update me on this. Right now, I'm seeing the bolded from LS.


I actually see differently after I looked at his filter and read the thread. Yeah hes not super in tune yet with his reads being present but hes going out of his way to find examples of previous games where certain situations have occured.

Mainly dealing with me, but I think its a good sign that he is doing things like that. I think it shows the opposite of being lazy, not many people would bother to comb throughg ames to find examples of what hes talking about.

Wouldn't lynch today at all, but i think hes pretty towny currently.


I think many people would. Is that just a standard for LS?


You see that LS hasn't done anything and is being lazy, he hasn't posted more, the damdred meta of ls linking games is wrong. Why doesn't LS feature at all in your reads?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 17 2017 11:08 GMT
#520
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

Hapa on the other hand, his read on damdred doesn't make the least bit of sense. There is no read. He's left damdred as an open read the entire game and still has in fact. Nothing hapa has stated has has made damdred mafia but he didn't even outline any reasons for staying on damdred over anyone else other than damdred is lazy and it's the best he's got. There's plenty of IN DEPTH reasons that damdred could be mafia (or town) but Hapa never mentions any of them at all.

Every vote of his is superficial (me being lazy...?).

The LS thing is because in Hapa's world LS is doing everything that people call LS mafia for. Hapa has no follow up on it, it's a pointless endeavour. He should be scum reading LightningStrike but has no mention of him at all.

Hapa's reads are similar to mine but none of them have any other reason than "lazy, not doing much" which is a stark contrast to the reasons actually in the thread that I have/will outline.

So why is he voting me again?
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