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On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote:
There's no one left here.
I am the Doctor
This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed.
Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town.
TPR claim with 3 hours left in the day? Fan-fucking-tastic.
Unless someone counterclaims then I'm moving my vote to Vivax. I prefer him over KSC.
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Extremely poor play for scum to CC like that re: BTDT. D1 scum lynch, here we come :D
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On January 08 2017 06:18 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:16 Calix wrote:
Extremely poor play for scum to CC like that re: BTDT. D1 scum lynch, here we come :D how long has it been scicne you had a d1 scum lynch calix?
Shh, don't rain on my parade xD
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Why the fuck would a VT counter-claim Medic? That's extremely anti-town given that the Medic would likely die at night.
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On January 08 2017 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:23 Calix wrote:
Why the fuck would a VT counter-claim Medic? That's extremely anti-town given that the Medic would likely die at night. It happens very frequently.
Are you thinking this is the case here then?
I'm super confused as to how people's first reactions to a cc situation is "both of them are town"
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I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.
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On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town.
No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM.
Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah.
I'd rather clear shit up right now.
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On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town. No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM. Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah. I'd rather clear shit up right now. Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role. In all bluntess: Your plan sucks
Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time.
But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me.
If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do.
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On January 08 2017 06:45 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:43 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town. No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM. Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah. I'd rather clear shit up right now. Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role. In all bluntess: Your plan sucks Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time. But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me. If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do. Oh trust me, if both are VTs (or even one of them and other is doc) there will be an uproar coming from me post game.
You know it's bad when I actually agree with you, lol.
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On January 08 2017 06:47 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:39 Onegu wrote:On January 08 2017 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I refuse to believe Grack is mafia. But I didn't have high expectations in a newbie game. You are free to lynch the wrong guys how you please. Not going to lie. That is bad claim timing from either alignment. He wasnt in the vote lead and I think votes were moving away from him... Yea I made the same point. I don't get it from either alignment
If it makes no sense from either alignment then it's usually from scum because there's no coherent town motivation.
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On January 08 2017 06:59 Vivax wrote:
But I'm going to chill and just leave it at that impression cause I feel like I'd be jumping the gun calling you scum just for a single post.
You have a strange way of approaching the game in that case.
I found the post narrative-focused myself.
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Just realised something. We're going to run into a problem with the new players re: reading them. Most of them are going to have a hard time catching up with the thread given their low activity levels.
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On January 08 2017 07:07 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 07:04 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:50 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think there was anything wrong with the timing of my claim. I believe I was in the vote lead with Silverwolf and ika both voting me. That probably wasn't going to end well for me. Why do you think btdt is town cc? Because they usually are. And he seemed townie to me earlier. By not un-claiming though he is messing things up massively. Getting two townies lynched is not worth "saving the doctor from revealing himself."
Are you saying that BTDT was trying to role-swap you or something? I don't follow your argument.
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On January 08 2017 07:12 B0stonSC wrote:
Well that seems rather sorted. is Instalynch a thing on this site?
It's plurality lynch for this game (and most games on this site).
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Why would you want to end the day early though?
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On January 08 2017 07:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 07:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:59 Vivax wrote:
But I'm going to chill and just leave it at that impression cause I feel like I'd be jumping the gun calling you scum just for a single post. Isn't that exactly what you did with me? Why are you giving him a pass? I feel like you are posting like scum still, occasionally popping in to dump a post but not really seeming engaged. I can't get into some people's thick skulls though and stop them from lynching Grack, so might as well sit back and wait until they get what they want and fail at it. I'm already posting enough and flailing won't help when I have to get into a head made of concrete.
Can't remember if you talked about him but speaking of disengaged posting, what do you make of how kmatt posts?
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On January 08 2017 07:18 Kmatt wrote:
Let the record show that I totally called something silly happening. There's one issue I have with the doc counterclaim: Mafia is told the setup, and only 2 of 4 PRs are in play.
Let's say I'm scum. If I need a last resort to swing votes off of me, I would always claim a PR that isn't in play (so if this game has Doc/Vig I could claim Cop). By claiming a role that mafia is fully aware is in play, they leave that loophole open for a counterclaim. Between a 3 man mafia team and coaches, I just can't see such and not obvious detail be overlooked. Either scum!Grack and his team are morons or BTDT just verified the guy's claim.
Or am I missing some key detail here?
A good point. However I think you're overlooking that scum might want to draw out a PR before they die, especially a Protective (means nothing stops scum from killing who they want, after all). People were starting to be wary of a Boston lynch and votes were starting to go on Grack at the time.
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On January 08 2017 07:25 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 07:23 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 07:18 Kmatt wrote:
Let the record show that I totally called something silly happening. There's one issue I have with the doc counterclaim: Mafia is told the setup, and only 2 of 4 PRs are in play.
Let's say I'm scum. If I need a last resort to swing votes off of me, I would always claim a PR that isn't in play (so if this game has Doc/Vig I could claim Cop). By claiming a role that mafia is fully aware is in play, they leave that loophole open for a counterclaim. Between a 3 man mafia team and coaches, I just can't see such and not obvious detail be overlooked. Either scum!Grack and his team are morons or BTDT just verified the guy's claim.
Or am I missing some key detail here? A good point. However I think you're overlooking that scum might want to draw out a PR before they die, especially a Protective (means nothing stops scum from killing who they want, after all). People were starting to be wary of a Boston lynch and votes were starting to go on Grack at the time. There can only be one of vet/doc and one of vig/cop. If I was scum and claimed veteran then I would still be counterclaimed by the doctor.
I don't get how that counters what I said or what your point is. Pls clarify.
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On January 08 2017 07:26 darthfoley wrote:
I honestly don't think Grack is the right lynch here. But I'm also voting for my scum read with another one of my scum reads so who the fuck knows
Did everyone leave the Boston lynch ONLY because of the claim cc thing?
Uh no. The Boston wagon became weirdly popular shortly beforehand and it was making me uneasy.
Given the events since then, I'm probably just overthinking that part of the thread.
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On January 08 2017 07:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:14 Grackaroni wrote:On January 06 2017 09:53 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:37 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Checking In.On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it? also obligatory vote silverwolfnow onto something i want everyone to answer are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. 1. no 2. back in the day 3. no 4. ? 5. ? 6. nope obligatory qeustion : why the vote ? I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted. - Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything - Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here) - Does nothing afterwards I'd say the opposite of this. I think if he was a nervous, inexperienced scum player he would put more effort into trying to make his first post look good. So now that you are getting lynched, you changed your vote to me. Beats me. I hate how spammy this game is especially with Calix and BTDT posting literally single-line posts for 3 pages, its better to not talk than to just spew absolute BS which is what has been happening all game. Also with B0stonSC bandwagon-ing onto someone's scum-read of me, when all I have done is posted thrice. Also I don't understand why that questionnaire is being used as a way to scum-read me. Everyone who is/isn't town is obviously going to 'Yes' on the town thing. And i absolutely didn't know what to say on the rest of the questions. I am holding my vote until the deadline.
Your unexpected fire towards Grack is intriguing, but somehow I like it anyway.
I also find it interesting how you are aware of the thread events and how you appear given that you note multiple interactions relating to yourself.
What is the purpose behind holding your vote? Do you not have any scum-reads that you want to share or what have you?
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