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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 03:47 GMT
#394
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 03:49 GMT
#397
On January 07 2017 12:47 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.




No I am town because I claimed VT...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 05:12 GMT
#425
On January 07 2017 13:11 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:
On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:
On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game.

Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely.


Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika.


God you know how to make me laugh...



They just havent met me on this site yet. I am fairly certain most people on this site would say I am the most stubborn person on here...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 05:13 GMT
#426
On January 07 2017 13:13 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 12:49 Onegu wrote:
On January 07 2017 12:47 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.




No I am town because I claimed VT...


Yeah, I don't see scum making this post to be honest or claiming VT out of the gate.



Ok newbies. I claim VT every game I play as my first post. I have done so as both scum and town...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 05:17 GMT
#427
except some themed games where I cannot be VT but yeah all normal games I claim VT
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 07:41 GMT
#430
On January 07 2017 15:32 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 14:17 Onegu wrote:
except some themed games where I cannot be VT but yeah all normal games I claim VT


Why?





Because it's my thing...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 20:58 GMT
#668
Im here catching up again.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:01 GMT
#669
On January 08 2017 02:56 SilverWolf77 wrote:
I'm dismayed that so few people are actually here and playing or that people are here and then they leave for extended periods of time. It makes the game very difficult to play. Can everyone else who hasn't, give their top three scumreads or who they would be o.k. lynching today?



Thats the advantage of a day that is 48 hours long. I can be here for 3 hours then poof for 12 comeback catch up and answer questions. Im 31 with kids and health problems. Im not going to be here all the time. Just isnt going to happen.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:02 GMT
#670
On January 08 2017 03:22 Grackaroni wrote:
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On January 08 2017 03:16 Vivax wrote:
Sorry, back with a hungover, had my postponed bday party yesterday.
I don't think we should lynch Grack today, but I'm going to take a look at the arguments against him.

It's because I annoyed a bunch of people.



You called me a shit poster I am annoyed at you...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:17 GMT
#701
On January 08 2017 04:23 Calix wrote:
You're starting to get on my tits here. You keep bringing it back to this topic instead of just...talking about something game-relevant...



Is this a legit complaint? I mean I guess depending on how he was on your tits could be painful or annoying. But couldnt it also be pleasurable?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:25 GMT
#715
On January 08 2017 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 04:36 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:02 KelsierSC wrote:
yeeeehhhhhhh booooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

ksc most likely town for this.

he hates playing scum afaik.


That's a bad read and you should know that

Explain it to me then? Maybe I should not apply meta reads with people I haven't played with



Have you played with KSC more than 5 times before? And as both alignments? IF the answers to these questions are no then you are not qualified to make a meta read...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:31 GMT
#728
On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
The huge case on - B0stonSC


+ Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +

On January 08 2017 04:50 beentheredonethat wrote:
The huge case on - B0stonSC


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517593-newbie-student-mafia-xxv?user=B0stonSC

I rest my case.



So, first:
On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts

This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire.

That's it. Off to a re-read it is:
On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on)


Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read.
But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say.

Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote:
On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so

##vote Onegu


There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are:

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim

On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim


Could you not



I could. I did. Dont know what you want here...

On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim


Why?



Why not?

This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote.

And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves:
On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj?



Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass.
But apparently, the guys has caught up:

On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.

First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).

As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.

On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up.

The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he.

He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that.

His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that.

Promises another reread....

On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity.

Yeah now it's weekend where are you

On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time.

I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT
GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM

this guy is scum


I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite.

Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players



You are wrong here by the way. New scum want to look useful. Making a vote on someone is a easy way to do that. But his reason was I was suspicious and he just left it at that. He didnt give reasons just that I was suspicious. TBH I think he was told by his scummates he needed to say his vote was pressure because that is the only reason to make that vote. But it isnt what he said to start.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:36 GMT
#736
On January 08 2017 05:44 SilverWolf77 wrote:
I voted for Grackaroni in the vote thread-this is just an FYI post to let everyone know where my vote is. If you'd prefer I vote here as well going forward, I can do that. Not sure how everyone does this.



It is common for people to vote in both threads, not doing so will make people say you are ninja voting and trying to hide your intentions.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:39 GMT
#740
On January 08 2017 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I refuse to believe Grack is mafia. But I didn't have high expectations in a newbie game. You are free to lynch the wrong guys how you please.



Not going to lie. That is bad claim timing from either alignment. He wasnt in the vote lead and I think votes were moving away from him...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:41 GMT
#745
On January 08 2017 06:26 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:25 darthfoley wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:22 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:21 darthfoley wrote:
I don't see the scum motivation for Grack to fake claim because the votes were tied at like 3

But I don't see the scum motivation for BTDT to cc as scum

But one has to be scum


No there are plenty of instances where VTs claim some PR for whatever reason


Why the hell would this ever happen. Also Grack saying to lynch BTDT after him doesn't make sense from VT POV because as VT he wouldn't know BTDT was lying


I want to see a game where it has happened here on this site



Ill find them for you. Happens alot more than you would think...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:43 GMT
#749
Well Grack. You made a claim and were counter claimed day 1 that normally means you are scum. Plus you called me a shit poster.

##Unvote
##Vote Grackaroni
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:47 GMT
#754
Then we can all welcome you to team liquid. The site were we dont lynch red checks from a confirmed cop in lylo.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 08 2017 00:39 GMT
#840
This is why I love TL
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 08 2017 05:07 GMT
#873
Just FYI 100% we lynch btdt tomorrow. Even though I give btdt a 30% chance of being scum. He has to be lynched. It is a terrible play as scum as scum could just shoot him. The only way it becomes a ok play is if they think the lynch would go from grack to a actual scum player. Even then its not great as btdt wasnt being looked at. I think it comes from town more often than not who thinks he will save the actual doctor from having to CC and then lynch scum and eat a bullet. Wanting to make the hero play. But this play needs to be punished. Plus a 30% chance to hit scum is fine.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 08 2017 16:39 GMT
#887
On January 08 2017 20:39 Calix wrote:
Boston looks like he is coasting. Here's what he does at EOD:

- Responds to the Onegu thing with an explanation that contradicts his stated reasoning at the time
- Forms gut reads on people who were already being scum-read (this is scummy because he claimed to be reading up yet his thoughts conveniently match what the current thread consensus was, wtf)
- Questions ME after other people do (lack of initiative with pushing his reads + blending)
- Does not vote until Grack vs BTDT becomes a thing (see above point)

Looks like a classic case of scum blending in to me.

(also why the fuck would a townie would ask about whether ending the day early is possible when he still hadn't contributed at that point and said he was going to???)

The main thing redeeming him is that BTDT made that massive case against him and most of that didn't actually show scum motivation. That suggests they're not on a team since scummers would be more aware of their team-mates' scummy-ass behaviour.



Oh I havent forgot about him dont worry.
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