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On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote: I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together. "in this thread together" I wish I had a buddy in the thread with me | ||
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On December 20 2016 00:40 Kmatt wrote: That's a little too opportunistic/innocuous of an entry without contributing to a discussion. ##vote ExO_ speaking of opportunistic voting | ||
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On December 20 2016 00:47 Kmatt wrote: Your post was cherry-picking a reply as to not be inactive but still be out of sight for the last 12 hours. Mine is acknowledging low-hanging fruit. And you still aren't questioning/analyzing/posting reads so Cherry-picking? Are you fucking kidding me? I just woke up, haven't even rolled out of bed yet. Saying something about a buddy in a game with this few players is a bit interesting don't you think? I'd think no town player is so ready to befriend anybody else as you are with that post. Accusing me of posting to not appear inactive is completely ridiculous. I just got into the thread, just realized the game started. | ||
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On December 20 2016 01:43 Kmatt wrote: Okay looking back I misread you the first time, thought you meant I was buddying with LightningStrike by conversing. Still not really buddying with Sicklucker, it was LS who was having a hard time understanding the comment so there's no harm in explaining it to him. My bit about "being in this thread together" refers to the fact that SL could very easily answer these questions himself. And Disinfo not immediately agreeing with me doesn't make him scum. Being this invested in your own innocence and pointing fingers at us for having the audacity to doubt you is scummy. If you were really town you'd be proving it by lynching scum, not throwing shade because we're scumhunting. Disinfo didn't immediately agree with you, he disregarded your case by saying im not a morning person. Are you reading the same thread as I am? | ||
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On December 20 2016 01:47 Koshi wrote: When there is content to discuss, sitting on your hands and lynching inactives is bad. Is that what I am doing Exo? What am I doing Exo? Can you tell me what I am doing? You and evidently kmatt think that the first post I make into the thread, because it's literally one of the first things I noticed when I realized the game started is making a huge case. I posted one sentence, and suddenly thats a case against kmatt? If you want to talk about overreaction, that's a huge overreaction. He immediately omgus me. I was literally still in bed and it tilted me a bit. And you hop on in support of him right away, and then suggestion we should vote off an inactive. You won't commit to voting me, but I don't see you discussing anything else right now | ||
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On December 20 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote: Feels like you are playing a game against this thread Exo. Kmatt buddying Disinfo defending Koshi also mafia? It's weird I don't think disinfo is scum, I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. | ||
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On December 20 2016 01:56 Koshi wrote: I am fully committing voting you. Just cba to do it on phone. I can only do so much. You are top priority atm. Pls answer my questions truthfully. You are on thin ice. I couldn't care in the slightest about being on thin ice with you. You're a loose cannon. But how can I answer questions if you haven't even asked any? | ||
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I don't have a fucking reason to think he's scum yet. Especially when kmatt is over here omgusing me at the first thing I say and you are defending him like crazy. Do I already need to have a 5 page analysis on why I think every player is town? I'm not going to operate from the assumption that everyone is scum, that's fucking retarded. I'll scum read someone when I have a reason to think they are scum | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:02 Koshi wrote: [/b][/b]You are focussing on the wrong part of that sentence. I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. Why? Goddamn each refresh is a new red alert from my virusthingie. If you think I'm a scum: Kmatt comes into the thread and votes me. Disinfo basically brushes off the case saying I'm not a morning person and tries to redirect the conversation elsewhere. If you think I'm scum, why are you both ignoring disinfo doing this? Either you (and kmatt) don't really think I'm scum, or are ignoring disinfo here for some reason I cannot fathom. your turn Why aren't you scum reading him if you think I'm scum? | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:07 Holyflare wrote: Like the kmart guy could be mafia and exo doesn't even factor that in. Just full on tilt mode for no reason. .....what. That's literally the first thing I implied, and have continued with. just wat | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:11 Holyflare wrote: Then why the fuck are you angry at mafia calling you mafia? What possible reason is there for you to be tilted that he's playing his alignment? What I'm saying is and what you've now confirmed is you're getting tilted by someone doing a shit play when it's their literal job to do that. It doesn't make sense at all. What if they aren't mafia? I don't like being called mafia at all. Especially for bullshit reasons. Literally look at the end of the most recent game I played. If you think this is getting "tilted" then I get tilted easily I guess. I don't understand why I'm not allowed to be tilted, especially when I say one sentence and am immediately voted and teamed by 2 people. Either way it's far too early in the thread for me to lock into both of them being mafia. So I can't just brush them off entirely. THAT would be a scummy thing to do. | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:14 Holyflare wrote: I also had to check because while I am lazy I don't normally forget these things. No, you didn't call him mafia at all. You just call koshi and kmart suspicious for not finding a guy you don't even find suspicious, suspicious. That's straight up bull crap man. What is this even in reference to? The first thing I did was imply that kmatt attempting to buddy somebody was scummy. UNLESS I TALK IN ALL CAPS AND WRITE VOTE ##WHOEVER DO YOU NOT THINK I'M CALLING SOMEBODY MAFIA? Do I have to use small words and spell everything out? | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote: So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote You get tilted regardless You think disformation isn't suspicious You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious You say that you are implying they are mafia You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic. Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:24 Holyflare wrote: I cannot for the life of me fathom how someone can say people are suspicious for not pushing a non-suspicious person. Why is disinfo not-suspicious? My logic is this: Koshi/Kmatt think I'm scum Disinfo immediately tries to deflect the thread away from kmatt's scum reading of me Therefore if Koshi/Kmatt are really town, who really think I'm scum, they should at least be questioning disinfo | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:29 Kmatt wrote: Can't really quote because mobile but here goes. As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read. Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't. It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him. Yeah this is clearly how I would enter the thread and play the game as scum /sarcasm | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:33 Holyflare wrote: But disformation finds your deflections scummy and has even said so. Why can't he be mafia avoiding a town vs town conflict because that's not what he wants to push or get into? He's just throwing minor accusations around and "doesn't want to make a comment on it yet" which is the exact response I'd expect of a mafia skating by. I'd expect you to be pushing this exact point. I'm gonna let you slide for now because there's always room for improvement. Make a stance on people please with indicative terms like mafia/town/null. That would be useful. At the time when I first posted, disinfo hadn't mentioned anything about finding me scummy. My initial reasoning for why they should find disinfo scummy stems from his initial post, not his posting after that. When you are asking me to explain my reasoning I can't just retroactively add in information to my posts that I didn't have at the time. And come off your high horse. "there's always room for improvement" blah blah blah. Shit like that just pisses me off | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:29 Kmatt wrote: Can't really quote because mobile but here goes. As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read. Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't. It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him. your initial jab against me was an immediate OMGUS. That's not really testing the waters imo. I hadn't even been in the thread for more than 5 minutes, and you're accusing me of posting to not be considered inactive. how in the world is that testing the waters? You don't think immediately voting me might force me to turn and focus only on you instead of looking at the thread? You didn't ask me what I thought about X or Y, you just voted me immediately. That's not testing the wawters. | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:42 Holyflare wrote: Exo_, you're a work in progress my friend. Disformation has posted after yes. I didn't ask you to retroactively fix your statements to koshi and kmart. I'm saying you should have updated your present read by now but haven't. Disformation skating by, not getting involved and avoiding you is everything you said a mafia would do. This should further your resolve on kmart and koshi but you're stuck in an explanation of a read. You acknowledge disfo has posted since, he meets your explanation of mafia and nada. I'm gonna stop pushing you because clearly this pressure is overwhelming you and I'll give you a fighting chance champ. It's what you deserve for being a good sport. I find your attempt to re-tilt me with: "I'm gonna stop pushing you because clearly this pressure is overwhelming you and I'll give you a fighting chance champ. It's what you deserve for being a good sport" to be very telling. Tell me why would you throw in that phrase like that | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:45 Koshi wrote: [/b][/b]I don't have strong feeling about anybody at all atm. I just poke around a bit. Disformation his morning joke was because you were so angry for seemingly no reason. That was never ever an attempt to redirect pressure of you. Ugh. I have such a difficult time understanding your thought process here. Not only did you think we were hard scumreading you, you also think we should have association read somebody else scummy for defending you. That is so farfetched... He voted me, and you said you were going to vote me. I'll be sure to take that as town-leaning scum reads, instead of actual scum reads, in the future. | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:47 LightningStrike wrote: Also ExO if you are town you should clam down bro like maybe step away from the thread for a little a bit then come back with a calm mind set. If you are scum then well we caught you. If I'm scum you caught me what exactly? This is how I play. The first few times I played on TL I tried to think really carefully about posts before I said anything, and It didn't go so well. Since then I basically play stream-of-consciousness style. Look at my most recent games, particularly touhou mafia where as VT I'm lynched day 1. Then compare that to dota mafia where I'm scum, and tell me I'm playing the same way. | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:48 Holyflare wrote: To belittle your sense of worth as the game progresses so that come deadline you'll be a broken husk and just sheep my intelligent reads instead of being a wild card that gets angry at anything. Or make you tilt further as mafia. Win/win. Well you can go fuck off | ||
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'll tell you this much: I'm VT. Every time I've claimed VT on TL mafia forums I have been VT, check for yourself if you don't believe me. Yeah yeah, I'm helping scum blue hunt blah blah blah (though we don't even know if there is a blue in this game) but I feel like this is the best way I can help town. Day 1 is always a shit show. And what you're getting from me is my thoughts as I get them in my head. I'm not carefully thinking them through about how it would make me look, I'm just laying them out. If you want to come up with some bullshit justification for why that makes me scum, then fine. I get tilted and I know it. I also know that it puts me into a great position to look at the thread and gauge the reactions to the scum read of me, and use that information to figure out who might be scum. But I'm not gonna lie right now it's hard to want to do that. And @rels idk what you were reading, but HF repeatedly asked me about the disinfo thing. It's why I went back to it multiple times to explain to him what he didn't seem to understand. Regardless I was tilted and operating from the assumption that kmatt/Koshi would be scum together. They might not be, but I felt like I was getting gang banged right of the gate by them and I was tunneled on them. I don't know what else you want from me. I've never been a player (esp on day 1) that's been good at diving filters and pointing out inconsistencies, scum-meta reads, etc...I've always been better at fighting to show others I am town. You might not like it, but that's the player I am. If everyone has already decided that somehow my play this game makes me scum and/or is going to be patronizing assholes (a la HF) then I don't know what else I can do. But if people are actually willing to work with me then I can show that I'm town. | ||
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This is basically exactly what I did touhou mafia day 1 where I was VT and lynched. So if you think I'm scum fine. But anybody who wants free information from a soon-to-be confirmed VT ask away and I'll do my best | ||
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On December 21 2016 05:51 Holyflare wrote: If you're not going to make a case on anyone, say anything about anyone unless asked then I don't particularly have any qualms lynching you. You've left it till near bed time for 3/4 of the game in a majority lynch game. Why is disformation mafia? You don't have any qualms lynching me because I'm town and you know it | ||
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That reaction felt really unnatural to me. | ||
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On December 21 2016 05:58 Holyflare wrote: You're responsible for your own lynch, not me. If you have any input into why disformation is mafia then go ahead. Ahhh yes the old "you played bad so I'm not responsible" excuse. My gameplay right now is completely consistent with how I played town, not to mention that literally every time I claim VT I am VT. I never deviate from that. Do you think this game is the game I'd break that rule? By the time I claimed VT I had 3 votes and a lot of pressure on me already, if I was going to make myself a liar on that particular point why would I choose this game to do it? | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:05 sicklucker wrote: like im never that sure about anyone on day one. I think exo is a great value lynch tho whys that? | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:07 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly don't want to waste my vote on you especially considering how many people rather lynch ExO although I don't want to lynch him tbh. Why are you so sure I'm town, when everyone else thinks I'm scum? | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:11 LightningStrike wrote: Because I had read some of your past games compared it to this game and this game you seems like your game more than scum. I am the meta king of TL Mafia. Unless you learned how to be a very emotional scum I don't see you being scum here unless you pulled a me. The other possibility is that you are scum, know I'm town, and are trying to get town cred for the future | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:13 disformation wrote: @LS did you read my posts on that regarding the meta stuff? Your post on the meta is horrible. You see the same things I'm doing right now, yet draw the opposite conclusion | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:15 LightningStrike wrote: I am the meta king and town this game I assure you Koshi and the others can back me up on how good I am with meta. I'm highly skeptical. How is it you almost immediately believed me, when everyone else is convinced I'm the mafia boogie man? Either you really are the meta king, or you are scum. I find it more likely that you are scum, which is ironic because you're the only person who believes I'm town right now | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:24 sicklucker wrote: tbf rels koshi and others wont even be here for deadline and altho I am open to listening you out it seems pointless and I want to watch a movie =[ It's not about switching votes at this point. It's about getting the perspective of a townie. Anything I say you know will be motivated not from a scum perspective, but from my own VT perspective. I'd love it if the lynch changed but assholes like HF are so self-confident that there won't be any movement in time. And then they'll just blame me in the end. Honestly fuck HF | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:26 disformation wrote: I still think there is a difference in how ExO_ approaches this game after he tilts. Think he did way more trying to solve the game / playing the game in NSM. Might be wrong on the emotion thing, granted. Like what exactly? Tell me compared to my one scum game in TL, how am I playing more like a scum here than there? Do you think because I'm not going all out for a town who jumped on me based on nothing and has stayed there that I feel motivated to go out and filter dive the day 1 bullshit and make a bullshit case? That's not my strength, and when you have someone being an asshole it kills my desire to try really hard. | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:27 disformation wrote: I think LS thinks my meta stuff is bad. it is | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:29 sicklucker wrote: well I dont have to be here to read your legacy. but if you flip town this game is still pretty open everyones lychable but me and rels so any input is nice And yet you have no questions for me, and seem disinterested in getting me to add anything | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:30 Holyflare wrote: But you just called me mafia. Either way I'm the most open to switching person that drops scum reads based on minute things on this site. Go away I'm not interested in talking to you | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:33 sicklucker wrote: I mean i think your best chance here exo. is to promise us to try really hard and we lynch slam :D. I honestly dont want to lynch anyone else maybe disinfo I don't think I'd want to lynch you yet though. I think Disinfo is the most likely other lynch, and I think LS should seriously be considered. How readily he's town read me makes me really uneasy. | ||
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Tell me Koshi what similarities are you seeing here that makes you think I'm scum? | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:36 Koshi wrote: I can't say you are mafia / not mafia. You didn't play enough. And yet you jumped on me immediately and have kept that vote. You really think this is your best lynch for day 1? | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:39 Koshi wrote: Don't lie. That is stupid. I jumped on you to pressure you. I jumped on many people after that. I devil advocate defended you during the day. I tried considering you are confirmed town and find other answers. I said for a long time mafia was within disinf/Rels/Sicklucker. So don't say dumb things. Nothing I've said is lying, are you kidding me? You literally voted me almost immediately and kept your vote there. Regardless what the motivation for the vote was, it IS what happened. And I've been pressured. I'm sitting here posting. What exactly do you want before you can make a call whether or not I'm scum? You can't hide behind that now. Either you think I'm scum and vote me, or you should explain why you are continuing to vote me if you don't think I'm scum | ||
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Regardless I would love to see him killed for being an ass. Good Luck Town | ||
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