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NeverUnlucky
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I know for a fact that I did not intentionally crumb VT, so if a post makes you think that way either I slipped VT or you misinterpreted it. And hunting for VT crumbs/claims is hunting for blue roles through PoE... Even if you were looking for VT crumbs/claims, you have a grand total of 0 reasons to do so as town. It doesn't serve you shit. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 10 2016 10:33 cakepie wrote: NU, have you read my hugefuckingcase? Don't be lazy. Read it. We're going to need to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. All your cases are huge. Which one is it specifically? If it's the one on TW, I only skimmed it and read the conclusion. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 10 2016 10:37 NeverUnlucky wrote: All your cases are huge. Which one is it specifically? If it's the one on TW, I only skimmed it and read the conclusion. Nvm, think it's 276 you want me to fully read. brb in an hour | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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But, for starters : There is a major flaw in your case. You start the case with the assumption that ExO and TW are scum, and that they are scum-buddies. Every point you make, every post you see only reinforces that idea, and I can't agree with you half the time you make associative reads. The best instance of this I've read so far is this: "#240Continues to townread NU (pocket) and ExO (scumbuddy)" You already have in mind that they are scumbuddies, and that TW town-reading me is therefore inherently an attempt at pocketing me while his TR on ExO is cus they're scumbuds. There is a fair bit of OMGUS on your part in there. There are far too many comments that don't bring anything to the case that are (I think) snarky comments/jokes, and for a case this loooong, it just makes it heavier to read. Be concise, get to the point. I've largely agreed with the analysis of 8 of the posts you dissected, and largely disagreed with 3 of them thus far. I'll post the list and my comments later or tomorrow, whenever (if ever) I have the motivation to pursue to read this case. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 10 2016 10:51 cakepie wrote: Because that means you'd win. Either as townwinner or as scumwinner. You're only interested in using your claim and checks to solve the game by yourself. That's very selfish. It's lylo. You have to convince town of your claim. You have to dispel all counterclaims. You shouldn't just dump it and expect everyone to take it at face value. You have to show why your checks, PLUS the available evidence in the game thread, all ties together in a coherent narrative that solves the game. Unfortunately, craycray and I don't have reads that in themselves solve the game. As I already said, we have to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. Assuming all cop claims being equal and nothing else, we need to be given a fair chance to put together our respective narratives. The last paragraph is basically him implying that him and CRay are not cops. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 10 2016 13:27 Tumblewood wrote: I think cakepie is now calling that a fakeclaim? because clearly he doesn't have much of a problem with ray, and he asked you if you were cop, but there's no point where he officially rescinds his claim. one of the worst claims/fakeclaims I've ever seen Why are you saying claim/fake-claim if you're cop???? | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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And as I said, I'm now on TW's side and think that the scummers are CP and CR. This was left unanswered: On December 10 2016 10:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: I don't think TW/cakepie or Ray/TW are teams given that Ray and cakepie wanted to lynch TW day 1. Bussing is so bad in this setup, I don't know why they'd bus. Plus, cakepie and Ray were voting and unvoting together, it looks like they were coordinated in some way. Also, cakepie's always been against me going after Ray and he discredited me saying that my read on Ray was OMGUS when it wasn't. It started out as OMGUS, but as Ray got stuck on page 5 by page while we were on page like 13, it wasn't an OMGUS read anymore, but a legit one. I'm heading off and I'll sleep on it. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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CP: If you really are VT and your goal was to bullet-bait, why did you not rescind your claim immediately after the EoN post? You keeping your claim until the tables flipped and rescinding then is really strange and scummy. Rescinding after the day started wouldn't have affected your intent of bullet baiting as the NK was already done. Also, if your intent was to bullet bait, why would you post it at :59? You're not letting scum a lot of time to react, so your intent of taking the bullet as VT would be nullified. You talk about the possibility that I am a scummer with Ray, but you are town-reading us both. I'm stressing "talk the possibility" because you did not say why me or Ray would be scum individually. So, what about my play and Ray's play would make us scum? Why do you think that my read on Ray is not on good faith? Why do you believe Ray's claim over TW's? | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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You say you are 100% behind TW's claim. How confident in % are you in your reads of me, Ray and CP? How do you explain TW scum-reading his green-check the entirety of day 1 and making cases on 3 of the 5 other players, starting with his green-check and not doing a case on who he scum-read and ended up checking? Similarly to CP, day 1 you said that I could be scum, but never really got in detail there. I found it suspicious that you said that you wish that I were here more when I had been pretty active before that day, yet, you had never engaged me. It felt like a back-stab ie you TR me when I'm here and start discussing the possiblity of me being scum when I'm away. Why did/do you think I could be scum? Please tell me why you think CP is scum. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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Same question I asked ExO re: "How do you explain scum-reading [your] green-check the entirety of day 1 and making cases on 3 of the 5 other players, starting with [your] green-check and not doing a case on who [you] scum-read and ended up checking?" | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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Who do you think is scum with TW? You said you thought ExO, CP, and H1 were town yesterday, and now you are town-reading me (?). So who's scum and why? All your arguments for you being cop are that TW is not cop. Why are you cop? Why tf would you have checked Koshi aka the guy with the highest % of chances to die N0? | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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And how did you go from 'NU scumslipped' to NU may be town? | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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The associative read you've made makes sense to me, but like all associative reads, it doesn't really mean much until either TW or ExO has flipped. Ie it makes a lot of sense if we know that either TW or ExO flipped red/is red, but making assumptions without that information is going too far. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 11 2016 02:09 Tumblewood wrote: just catching up now it would have looked weird to act like everything was ok with 1der, because for a townie he looked preeeetty scummy. for the same reason, it would have looked like TMI if I had acted like I knew 1der was town when as VT I would have probably been calling him scum. I checked ray because I was uncertain about him, which was partially caused by the fact that I never organized my thoughts about him. initially I planned to get to everyone but making large cases burns me out fast. hope this clears it up for ya Not entirely. Why would you start by casing your green-check? If you're limited on time, you should be keeping him for last as you know his alignment as cop and not CRay/me. What do you think of cakepie and CRay's reasons to TR H1 since you find him scummy? Do you think they are fabricated/TMI? | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 10 2016 16:26 cakepie wrote: I did concede to you toward EoD1 that he was falling into scum territory. Also, I don't think I ever pressured NU and H1 very much either? Bolded is false?? Couldn't find it anywhere in your EoD posts. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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NeverUnlucky
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So, uh, while we wait for ExO n' Ray, ask me questions if you have some. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 11 2016 04:39 cakepie wrote: Oh hi NU still here? Yeah, but my SC2 game just started, be back in like 30. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 11 2016 04:41 cakepie wrote: Do we agree that we can just stop talking to ExO and throw out all of ExO's D2? I lose the game by mislynching TW You lose the game by mislynching Ray It's actually that simple. ????????????????????????????? no? I'm actually thinking ExO is town over you. And wtf is that thing about losing and mislynching? I don't get it at all. And I still have got no evidence to believe CR is cop from you | ||
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