On January 14 2017 10:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways I taking a 2 month break from TL Mafia unless some of you guys actually want to play with me during my self impose hiatus for stuff I did in the game.

aw come on, you didnt even nuke yourself

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January 14 2017 01:29 GMT

#3339

well need to go to bed, will post some more stuffs tomorrow

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January 14 2017 01:29 GMT

#3340

feel free to yell at me a bit if you want to =p

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January 14 2017 01:38 GMT

#3348

yeah dunno i need to establish a Safeword that lets me get away from the PC and get another teaffee or something when i start going tilt or something. but tired. bed. cu guys tomorrow afternoon.

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January 14 2017 17:04 GMT

#3382

Yeah game was really well hosted. Thanks to all hosts.
I also really liked my role.

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January 14 2017 17:36 GMT

#3386

So. Going through my questions to the hosts after I was dead for some rants, as that might interest other ppl as well. Actually is a bit weird posting only my side. buts lets try. =D

I assumed Chez was fake nuking himself D2 so he didnt have to play.

ExO_'s ML was like 50% me and 50% ExO_. Or 50% ExO_ and 50% me and all the ppl sheeping me.
He had a very stronk D1 and I just came out of a game where he pulled similar shit. Though I really thought he was scum for the post where he did his low activity/excuse thing. I was honestly thinking he would flip red until the very end. Still was kinda like a policy lynch as I absolutely hate him claiming vt over and over again like that. Probably I am a bit of an ass here. I mean at least he didnt nuke himself, though well he kinda did with his posts. Didnt even vote. Which is another thing I really don't like.

For some reasons I had a bunch of problems reading Grack and DF. The house of brown thing probably played a huge part in that. That was real mean. The paper planes were very scum favored, if used right. Though town played pretty ass overall, so I won't complain too much. xD

Thanks to the house of brown their N1 filters were not usable to ascertain their alignments. It also greatly affected them D2 as they were super confused. So it def. made all three harder to read. And that put a lot of shade onto like the only 3 towns playing the game (besides me).
Like the idea is amazing I am not going to dispute that. It just made the game way harder for town imo.

I was kinda surprised to not see any 3P claims/roles.
Just was like... df was acting real strange D2 all of the sudden, but we also managed to figure him out.

note that I wont any of that against you, as running such a game takes a lot of work and balance is fickle. I kinda think you guys overestimated town/underestimated scum.
but tbh this town was pretty crap and that stuff is super hard to predict anways, so whatever. still i am feeling like ranting about a bunch of stuff that i observed/think might be a bit borderline.

Was pretty surprised when one of you said he thought chez role would fuck scum over at some point. his role is prolly the only reason he didnt get lynched super early and in a game where town has 0 trust to each other (house of brown) you just give town kp and wathc them kill each other. or themselves. so i am 0 surprised his role was good for scum.
but again. this shit is super hard to predict.

general observation:
i think it is has very low risk to a very high reward for fakeclaiming stuff in themed games.
in palmars game iamp was able to get away with convincing town of being anti town 3P.
in dota 2 Hoshi nearly rode out the game off having made up a pro town ability.
This game btdt was able to convince town of being a 2 shot cop. though tbh its more that he bussed tt2 super hard.

in dota 2 it was somewhat easier to determine fake claims since the abilities were kinda tied to roles and a rolecop would be able to somewhat determine if someone was lying. a pity he died n1.

I don't know if Chez or BTDT role names would have helped, but for like meacha-cow or the plains dragoon it would be impossible to find out what abilities they had from the name. well. dragoons usually have a horse and a carbine, so you could argue for a vig shot. so not sure how good GB's rolecop ability was.

you maybe could argue that town might to try figure that out based on balance, there were some posts about too many prot/investigatives around, but this is a bastard game, so how the fuck are we supposed to know what ideas you guys had. maybe all the investigatives are insane? which is I basically ignored those posts on the grounds of not wanting mechanics at all to figure out this game. on that note I should not have trusted the red check on GB. but I would have checked GB, too. So the check made sense and the result kinda did too. Also would have had to fight Grack over not trusting the red, while trusting my blue on LS. didnt want to do that.

so that might have been my bad, not sure though.
tldr: i think if i am to run a themed in the future I will probably include 1 town fav. role/mechanic that makes fake claims more risky for scum. I dont want to make it stupid/impossible, as good fake claims are good, but I think in the last 3 games it was low risk very high reward.

and i was pretty cautious about the btdt claim at first, I knew this could be a super hard buddy attempt, but him throwing a fit and gtfo'ing for 2 days legit felt like super upset town to me and I wanted him around to see what his check would be. together how hard he bussed tt2, I was pretty convinced he was town at the end (D4). But yeah I should have probably pressed him more about it earlier. I was not a very good check. though with his rage at me N1, I kinda felt it might make some sense. Well he kinda outplayed me. =D
If he wins this (pretty likely atm) I will probably nominate him for best scum game.

I was thinking about the carousel but couldnt figure out how to use it for towns advantage. =D

Problem is: I already spend 24/7 overthinking the scum hunt, where should I find time to figure that stuff out too? And tbh I am not too versed in crazy mechanics =D

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January 14 2017 19:20 GMT

#3392

looks good, thanks for your hard work.

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January 14 2017 20:42 GMT

#3398

On January 15 2017 05:18 Calix wrote:
I am pretty happy with how the Paper Planes turned out overall. The D4 plane and BTDT's fake investigative claim were notable outcomes from that.

Speaking of BTDT, I heard someone say that he should be nominated for a 2017 Award. I don't contest this because I definitely think he's improved from his other scum games. I was aware that he had a hard time posting as scum before so I decided to put him into the "leader" role with his Godfather role + his quest.

I'm glad I did

Eh not a fan.
But i couldnt figure out how to use them at all and scum got me hard with that.
so might be biased. =p

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January 14 2017 22:46 GMT

#3402

Yo the TT2 bus was super sick. Wiped off the suspicions I had completely.

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January 15 2017 11:08 GMT

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On January 15 2017 17:09 Tictock wrote:

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Yea I had a hard time believeing BtDt bussed.

LS flipping should have tipped me off actually.

Seeing some of Cake's posts Host team deserves major props for this game.

I wish I had been able to put a bit more time into it. I was pretty determined to get that ring even after the fuckup. Though this distracted me from the game even more.

I had actually had an inclination to vote Chez last min but working during EoD made that pretty impossible.

Yeah, the story of the message was great.
Huge props to the host team, the game was very well run and had some great ideas.
Chez had also like 2 no votes and two pretty meh votes, but also only realized after i was bad, that chez kinda looked worse than i thought he did while alive. prolly cause all the cool items he gave me.

Also can Chez be El Chezidente and Dr. Chez at the same time?

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January 15 2017 20:11 GMT

#3433

On January 16 2017 01:48 Calix wrote:
Nah, most of the initial planning was done over the pause when cakepie and I were writing up a storm in the Google docs about who gets what role, what mechanics we should put in, what quests suited what person, etc. That was pretty fun although I think my idea of how hosting works has been skewed by the game.

I guess people felt overwhelmed when the game restarted and you had around six different mechanics to understand.

No times for mechanics, those walls and 38 pages of filter wont write themselves.

Goals for next game:
use brain not keyboard

On January 16 2017 02:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh and did anyone remember my hipster votes on TT2 that everyone wanted me to explain? Still want me to explain that?

Oh yes yes yes please!

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January 15 2017 21:23 GMT

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On January 14 2017 10:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Also dis when you wake up: Why you decided to save me Day 3 by lynching Time Traveler?

Ah think I missed this.

I had a quest to make a wagon and have 3 ppl follow me on that. So since everyone was scumreading tt2 I was like "lets make a wagon on that guy". I think my plan was to lynch you and check into tt2/chez/slam.
But you posted something near EoD that made my gut tell me you are town yet again, so I was like "YOLO LETS LYNCH TT2 AND CHECK LS!"

Like you were calming down a bunch near EoD and posted some stuff that gave me real town vibes. I think it was this one:

On January 08 2017 08:31 LightningStrike wrote:
dis promise me you will lynch Grack after I get lynched please?

And I know. I posted stuff like that as scum before.
Was just. like dunno. Fak it. xD

should listen to my gut more often. xD

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