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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 07:04 GMT
#1338
also anyone cares to claim that nuke?

not sure if id want tje hosts messing with us on that or not.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 07:07 GMT
#1339
On January 03 2017 14:21 Tictock wrote:
Ok so I reread OP and some of the Pregame and I think Shape is more into messing with us rather than outright lie so I think we should generally assume what the hosts tell us is true (even when they later take back some of what was said, or change the rules around again).

Key to this game is gunna be rolling with the punches and probably being fairly open about's going on.

I can reveal one mystery, I prevented Chez from giving Dis a seed because I didn't change my invite from Chez.

Chez must be a pretty restless sleeper because he tore the bag apart during the night as well.

not sure what you mean with the last sentence.
think i have a vague idea on your role.
so thanks for claiming.

at least i know chez didnt lie.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 08:58 GMT
#1347
meanwhile on the grack vs ls front:
On January 03 2017 09:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 09:47 disformation wrote:
cant sleep.
actually superbia got dat super hipster scumread on darth. you remember? the one nobody got?
shame he wont be around to try and explain again.

flipping my town lean on df to a SR. to see if scum shoots me n2 for that. =D

still think ls vs grack should be resolved first.

I will double check his filter if he did scumread df before his death.

On January 03 2017 09:54 LightningStrike wrote:
I can confirm what you said about Superbia scumreading df before his death disformation he kpet questioning why people were townreading him.

I kinda like that he went and double checked and didnt blindly trust me. implies he doesnt know my alignment. not too hard to fake, but I want to give him half a townie brownie.

On January 03 2017 11:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 09:01 disformation wrote:
timeline
VCA addendum for timeline.
Koshi (7) : ExO_, Chezinu, darthfoley, beentheredonethat, GlowingBear, Grackaroni, disformation

Okay. So the idea is that scum is less likely to start/open a new wagon, but rather hops onto a wagon for easy/sheepy reasons.
Since there was no counter wagon and only wagons with 2-3 ppl, I'd say that means the first 3 ppl are slightly less likely to be scum.
Overall there are 1-2 scum on that wagon. So tldr: I am pretty sure there is 1+ scummer in btdt, gb, grack, me

out of these four grack looks the worst (to me), as I already explained (yes he basically invented the wagon, but he also had to be basically reminded to vote koshi, as he was supposed to be according to what he said/did D1).
gb and me just hopped on at the very end for consolidation. doesnt actually give a lot of info, esp on GB who was afk leading up to EoD.
chez also had a really suspect reason to vote koshi, but at least he did so fairly early.
for btdt there is the question why he was so against lynching LS and for darth why he went from lynching into the nulls into lynching ls/koshi.

I'm being pressured to analyze things by forces unknown.

These reads are really shallow, inconsistent, and scummy. For one thing, I tried to start multiple wagons during the end of the day. A wagon on LS didn't take because other people wanted Koshi. I think there might be reasons for that but maybe I'm wrong. Looking at only the final vote count to see who tried to push forward a lynch is a total distortion of what happened during the end of the day.

Also, the only people that "jumped onto a wagon for easy sheepy reasons" are the people that Disfo has written off because they did it for "consolidation."

I'm also at a general loss for how he ignores that I tried to lynch his #2 scum read at the end of the day. What more could I have possibly done to make myself townie?

Didnt like this post at all.
Calls all my reads garbage (discredit attempt noted) and then 99% of his complaints are essentially complaining about me misrepresenting him.
Then he doesnt vote me.

I did look at the progression of votes in my other posts. For the evaluation of the timeline when ppl ended up voting for koshi you obv only look at the votes that stayed on koshi.

Also don't get the complain about writing of GB and me...
Not doing VCA on me, I already know my alignment + Show Spoiler +
town
.
GB wasnt there at _all_. No idea what info I should get there.

Yeah, I wish I had gained some better/more concrete results from all my posts, but thats what I got.

At least Grack probably isn't scum with LS. Or the other way around for that matter.

Also:
On January 03 2017 09:01 disformation wrote:
for btdt there is the question why he was so against lynching LS and for darth why he went from lynching into the nulls into lynching ls/koshi.

I want these ppl to actually say something about that.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 09:01 GMT
#1348
Also nearly forgot:

Vote Count

Koshi (7) : ExO_, LightningStrike, Grackaroni, ExO_, beentheredonethat, Chezinu, disformation, beentheredonethat, darthfoley, GlowingBear, Grackaroni, disformation
Grackaroni (2) : Koshi, LightningStrike, disformation
LightningStrike (1) : Grackaroni, disformation, Grackaroni, darthfoley, Tictock
darthfoley (1) : Superbia
Superbia (1) : darthfoley, Time Traveler
Alakaslam (0) : ExO_, disformation
beentheredonethat (0) : Time Traveler, Tictock, disformation, ExO_
Chezinu (0) : GlowingBear
disformation (0) : Tictock, GlowingBear, disformation, beentheredonethat
ExO_ (0) : disformation, GlowingBear
Tictock (0) : ExO_, beentheredonethat

Not voting (1) : Alakaslam
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 09:02 GMT
#1349
I should probably look at Slam. For some reason he has 3 votes on him.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 09:09 GMT
#1352
ugh. can't watch the video slam posted at work. will have to do that in the evening. -.-
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 09:33 GMT
#1354
On January 03 2017 18:24 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 17:58 disformation wrote:
meanwhile on the grack vs ls front:
On January 03 2017 09:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 03 2017 09:47 disformation wrote:
cant sleep.
actually superbia got dat super hipster scumread on darth. you remember? the one nobody got?
shame he wont be around to try and explain again.

flipping my town lean on df to a SR. to see if scum shoots me n2 for that. =D

still think ls vs grack should be resolved first.

I will double check his filter if he did scumread df before his death.

On January 03 2017 09:54 LightningStrike wrote:
I can confirm what you said about Superbia scumreading df before his death disformation he kpet questioning why people were townreading him.

I kinda like that he went and double checked and didnt blindly trust me. implies he doesnt know my alignment. not too hard to fake, but I want to give him half a townie brownie.

On January 03 2017 11:03 Grackaroni wrote:
On January 03 2017 09:01 disformation wrote:
timeline
VCA addendum for timeline.
Koshi (7) : ExO_, Chezinu, darthfoley, beentheredonethat, GlowingBear, Grackaroni, disformation

Okay. So the idea is that scum is less likely to start/open a new wagon, but rather hops onto a wagon for easy/sheepy reasons.
Since there was no counter wagon and only wagons with 2-3 ppl, I'd say that means the first 3 ppl are slightly less likely to be scum.
Overall there are 1-2 scum on that wagon. So tldr: I am pretty sure there is 1+ scummer in btdt, gb, grack, me

out of these four grack looks the worst (to me), as I already explained (yes he basically invented the wagon, but he also had to be basically reminded to vote koshi, as he was supposed to be according to what he said/did D1).
gb and me just hopped on at the very end for consolidation. doesnt actually give a lot of info, esp on GB who was afk leading up to EoD.
chez also had a really suspect reason to vote koshi, but at least he did so fairly early.
for btdt there is the question why he was so against lynching LS and for darth why he went from lynching into the nulls into lynching ls/koshi.

I'm being pressured to analyze things by forces unknown.

These reads are really shallow, inconsistent, and scummy. For one thing, I tried to start multiple wagons during the end of the day. A wagon on LS didn't take because other people wanted Koshi. I think there might be reasons for that but maybe I'm wrong. Looking at only the final vote count to see who tried to push forward a lynch is a total distortion of what happened during the end of the day.

Also, the only people that "jumped onto a wagon for easy sheepy reasons" are the people that Disfo has written off because they did it for "consolidation."

I'm also at a general loss for how he ignores that I tried to lynch his #2 scum read at the end of the day. What more could I have possibly done to make myself townie?

Didnt like this post at all.
Calls all my reads garbage (discredit attempt noted) and then 99% of his complaints are essentially complaining about me misrepresenting him.
Then he doesnt vote me.

I did look at the progression of votes in my other posts. For the evaluation of the timeline when ppl ended up voting for koshi you obv only look at the votes that stayed on koshi.

Also don't get the complain about writing of GB and me...
Not doing VCA on me, I already know my alignment + Show Spoiler +
town
.
GB wasnt there at _all_. No idea what info I should get there.

Yeah, I wish I had gained some better/more concrete results from all my posts, but thats what I got.

At least Grack probably isn't scum with LS. Or the other way around for that matter.

Also:
On January 03 2017 09:01 disformation wrote:
for btdt there is the question why he was so against lynching LS and for darth why he went from lynching into the nulls into lynching ls/koshi.

I want these ppl to actually say something about that.

You keep trying to find these little things to defend LS. Every time he's come online so far he's looked to me like he was about to shit himself.

The GB/You thing isn't about my thoughts on people I was questioning your logic.

Here's what you wrote in the post: These 3 people are town because they tried to start a wagon. The people we need to be looking at are these four people that voted for sheepy reasons. GB and I voted to consolidate, so no info there. Grack originally started the wagon but then he wanted a different wagon on my #2 scum read. He seems like a sheep. This is the best vote imo.

So yeah, I'm calling the post garbage.

Thats not what I wrote in that post at all.
##vote grack
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 09:33 GMT
#1355
thanks for making the game easier i guess
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 09:49 GMT
#1359
I don't understand your problem.
Scum more likely in btdt, gb, grack, me.
You look the worst, as I already explained. The brackets try to explain why you dont get cred. for "inventing" the koshi wagon.
I'm town. Yes, GB looks more scummy for the timing, but he was legit afk as fuck, making that line of argument pretty NAI.

I still want btdt to answer my question. Though maybe I was cutting him too much of a slack. He was strangely confident in koshi being scum, after just coming in and playing for like an hour.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 09:55 GMT
#1363
On January 03 2017 18:44 Grackaroni wrote:
My summary is pretty much exactly what you wrote in your vote count analysis. With the exception that you describe me favoring a LS lynch as me needing to be reminded to vote for Koshi.

On December 29 2016 08:29 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 08:26 darthfoley wrote:
Grack, ExO: what do you guys think about going Koshi? I am most comfortable with LS or Koshi ATM.

I honestly think LS is the better lynch. But obviously I'm willing to switch to Koshi.

Checks out.
On December 29 2016 08:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Killing Koshi was my primary goal for today but I don't feel all that great about the way it has happened lol.

WTF
On December 29 2016 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 08:56 darthfoley wrote:
Why is Grack not voting Koshi after getting lots of us to vote Koshi?

I'm feeling nervous about how easily this lynch is happening when so many people were hard townreading Koshi when I started posting today.

Double WTF
On December 29 2016 08:58 Grackaroni wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi

???

Yeah Post 1 is great.
Post 2 is worded really bad. As in a "this is not a town mindset" post.
Post 3 classic distancing from the ML.
The vote makes no sense after Post 1 and if you thought LS was the better lynch I dont know why you did get "pressured" into voting Koshi?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 09:58 GMT
#1364
So my problem is basically:
You push koshi of omgus. I wasnt a huge fan, but okay that happens to town.
Koshi not happening you push LS. Still a bit waffly on LS (which is why I am trying to find his alignment so hard). And that is okay too.

The weird things that dont end up are really this EoD posts.
Where you are like:
"I think LS is the better lynch"
"But I really wanted to lynch Koshi today"
"But now I have cold feet on Koshi"
"well lets vote him regardless"
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 10:08 GMT
#1365
Also don't mind Tictocks points on btdt, as they align with a feeling I had before I went soft on btdt.

Aight.
@LS: I'd like you to evaluate the more recent grack posts and please dont repeat my posts back at me. =p
@Grack: If you are town you are welcome to clear up the EoD posts and/or do some scum hunting.

the ppl town reading either of them are welcome to make a town case.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 10:11 GMT
#1367
On January 03 2017 11:12 ExO_ wrote:
I drove home last night. I really hate that the game was paused during the 3 days I was sitting around with family doing nothing.

Oh well. I'm going to continue claiming VT. I'll be honest I feel like playing civ and not looking at this game too much (there's so much wtf shit going on), but I'll pipe back up either tonight or tomorrow.

The mention of Civ gives me hard flashbacks from Dota 2 where scum!ExO_ kept bringing it up a lot...
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 10:24 GMT
#1370
On January 03 2017 19:09 ExO_ wrote:
I'd like to reiterate I am Vanilla Town. I'll actually try tomorrow, but for now please just remember that I am Vanilla Town

I hope it is not contagious. =P
On January 03 2017 19:14 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 18:58 disformation wrote:
So my problem is basically:
You push koshi of omgus. I wasnt a huge fan, but okay that happens to town.
Koshi not happening you push LS. Still a bit waffly on LS (which is why I am trying to find his alignment so hard). And that is okay too.

The weird things that dont end up are really this EoD posts.
Where you are like:
"I think LS is the better lynch"
"But I really wanted to lynch Koshi today"
"But now I have cold feet on Koshi"
"well lets vote him regardless"

Ok this is a better explanation of your read.

I spent a lot of time earlier in the day trying to lynch Koshi because he was bugging me. I think I was fairly transparent about that in my posts. Obviously I also thought there was a pretty decent chance he would be mafia.

When I said lynching him was my primary goal for the day I was referencing that.

For the 3rd post, I explained earlier in my analysis posts. I thought/think it was pretty concerning that people were choosing Koshi over LS. I had been trying to lynch LS by the end of the day. The wagon was started by Btdt and Chezinu, neither of which looked particularly townie. The lynch ending up being not even close. There were also quite a few people that liked Koshi earlier in the day that never spoke up to defend him.

Plus Chezinu was thinking something similar during the time, and he doesn't even have to wonder about Chezinu's alignment.
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 08:48 Chezinu wrote:
Where are the mafia counter wagons?!?!?!

P.S. it's brown.

Fair enough. TBH I didn't get any scum vibes from you in our discussion (or whatever you want to call it) just now. There is also a bit of stuff here I like.

unvoting.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 10:27 GMT
#1371
Probably need to take a harder look at LS and btdt.
Oh and figure out the slam thing.

really hope ExO_, LS and btdt return to post some stuff though.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 10:28 GMT
#1372
On January 03 2017 19:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Plus I've done plenty of scum hunting already. The only changes to my list I would make is that TT has moved way up on my town list through very mysterious circumstances, and Superbia has been violently ejected from the game.

I kinda feel that with that list you should be trying harder to get either LS or me lynched?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 10:31 GMT
#1375
On January 03 2017 19:29 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 19:28 disformation wrote:
On January 03 2017 19:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Plus I've done plenty of scum hunting already. The only changes to my list I would make is that TT has moved way up on my town list through very mysterious circumstances, and Superbia has been violently ejected from the game.

I kinda feel that with that list you should be trying harder to get either LS or me lynched?

I was hoping to build some pressure on Slam to play the game.

Fair enough.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 10:45 GMT
#1377
Yeah, there is still one thing that slightly bothers me about Grack, but I think I'm flipping my read on him to a town lean.

And ExO_ falling off super hard after getting all those town reads bothers me quite a bit.

Going to try and actually work at work for a bit.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 10:49 GMT
#1378
town: tictock, GB
town lean: Grack, Chez
Ayyyyyyy lmao: Slam
null: tt2
scum leans: df, exo_
scum leaner: ls

need to reread: btdt

guess that means I also flipped my read on exo from town to scum (lean)
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 10:56 GMT
#1379
slam should probably be below null not above for consistency/ordering reasons
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