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NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 00:35 GMT
#377
On November 03 2016 09:32 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 09:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 03 2016 09:16 Calix wrote:
I wish Rels would pop up soon. It'll be easier to figure out the bigger picture then.

I'm not sure wherever Skynx/ ExO/ NU are being shitters because they're bad or because they're mafia as it stands.

As it stands, I'm probably going to end up voting within those three at the moment. I'm more inclined to hit a low-poster on D1 so I can be convinced to switch from NU for that reasoning alone.

I'm being a shitter because bad players are scum-reading me for bad reasons, and I am not having fun.


Good.

Moving onto relevant matters, I didn't completely hate the last half of your wall-post.

Saying it's for town cred is indicative of a manipulative mindset where he can change his mind at any time. AKA it's insincere. That's how I interpreted that post.

Last quote is also not terrible.

Despite all that, I don't yet feel confident calling him scum.

I feel confident calling him bad though.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 00:36 GMT
#378
Can you not give the post numbers and instead quote said posts?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 00:41 GMT
#382
While filtering Foreman, I liked this post for some reason. Probably because it's both a funny post and a post that agrees with me.

On November 03 2016 05:43 Foreman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 06:50 Palmar wrote:
rolled town, don't have to do shit



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"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 01:12 GMT
#386
On November 03 2016 10:06 mahrgell wrote:
I hate you all, now I missed the Habs game already nearing the end of the 2nd period.

No worries, it's a typical Habs game. Get outshot 21-4 in the first 30 minutes, still have a lead after the second period. Carey Price stuff.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 01:23 GMT
#387
On November 03 2016 09:51 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Really? A townie speculating about another player being blue or red? I mean, is this EVER smart? Mafia knows what color the guy is, and if he isn't red, you probably helped them in case they didn't notice.

... and because I alluded to ExO possibly being blue.

Notice how he says that I am a townie aka he knows I am town while scum-reading me? This is spewing.


- read it as "can you imagine a townie speculating". I already said that I try to interpret actions from both sides. And here it completely failed to interpret this from a town perspective. Because I still don't see any motivation for a townie to speculate about it.
But I guess you prefer to grammartwist it and imply stuff that wasn't there.

Show nested quote +

Also, he fails to explain how this makes me scum. He says that my post wasn't smart, which I agree with, but doesn't say that it makes me scum.

Scum would have that blue talk in their respective QT, yes, I made a mistake by alluding to this possibility, but it really doesn't make me scum.



Okay, as you asked for the explanation, I thought this would be obvious. No, I did not see it as you hinting your scumbuddies to this guy potentially being a blue. So your argument is completely moot.
But there are still 2 scenarios for this to be scumplay imho:
a) an attempt for getting a blueclaim out early, if that line was intentional
b) if the line was unintentional... Scum has to make up stuff, has to look like they are provinding reads and content, without giving anythign away but confusion and misleads. And yes, when making up stuff, sometimes mistakes happen. So call it a slip.

If it was a) I would be very disappointed in you, but b) I consider fully in the realm of possibilities. If I weight your very weird interpretation of my "A townie speculating" and compare it to my interpretation of your bluesuspicion... I give my own interpretation more likelihood to be anything than yours.

There was no grammar-twist in there.

When does someone that's not SilverWolf17 ever claim blue <6 hours into the game? How is a) even foreseeable?
b) doesn't make sense in the context of what happened.

Like, after all these posts regarding me, you have 1 legitimate reason to scum-read me for, and that's the one about me "buddying" Calix. I have proven it wrong. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 01:28 GMT
#389
Poll: Is mahrgell scum?

Yes. (3)
 
43%

All of the above. (3)
 
43%

Null-read / Not sure. (1)
 
14%

No. (0)
 
0%

7 total votes

Your vote: Is mahrgell scum?

(Vote): Yes.
(Vote): No.
(Vote): Null-read / Not sure.
(Vote): All of the above.


this site is slow af
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 01:29 GMT
#390
On November 03 2016 10:23 darthfoley wrote:
Mahrgell I've already voiced my displeasure with the amount of salty shitposting from people today, especially between Calix and NU. So much OMGUS

You know my name, not my story.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 02:05 GMT
#391
##Unvote
##Vote ExO_
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 02:36 GMT
#393
On November 03 2016 11:24 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 11:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote ExO_


Is this vote as serious as your last 2? Or now really based on the points made here? I should probably read Exos filter again...


Anyway... Habs game over, I can sleep now ^.^ Whoever feels throwing questions at me, go ahead, I will answer later.

All my votes were serious.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 12:26 GMT
#405
On November 03 2016 18:23 Calix wrote:
Here's what I read out of the few overnight posts.

With regards to mahrgell, I'm starting to get a lean-town read on him. This is mainly because his responses have themes of "I'm approaching XYZ from both perspectives" and "I'm trying to encourage a positive town atmosphere".

Is this something that scum can do? Sure. He could be thread-policing, but I don't see how this actually furthers a scum agenda in his case. Scum want chaos, not an orderly atmosphere. The only thing that he's done that can be read in that light is his cases (due to their quality) but if he's been making cases to sow doubt then he's been doing a piss-poor job of making that happen.

Going back to the stances he has taken, I feel like he has been very persistent with this line of reasoning so far (even if his reasoning is strange/ unfocused) and even though I find him hard to understand at times, there's some consistency in the logic that he uses.

All that said, I'll reread his filter with these points in mind to see if he contradicts my view of him anywhere/ check the intent behind his cases.

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.


If you must know, I am of the female persuasion but don't sweat it if you call me a 'he'.

Question. When exactly did you 'stop thinking [I] was scum'?

How were my responses townie? I'd like to know. Your lack of elaboration here + thread consensus that I am town = suspicions that you are following thread sentiment with your shift in how you read me.

Your argument was full of holes which have already been pointed out, however. Few scum would hop onto my wagon using your reasoning.

(As a matter of fact, nobody did. Foreman claimed that I was 'tryhard' while NU had that atrocious meta-vote)

My vote was many things, but not a meta vote.

I like how you're giving mahr a town-lean for "trying to encourage a positive atmosphere" but are not giving me any credit for it. Inconsistent.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 12:29 GMT
#407
On November 03 2016 19:30 Calix wrote:
Given my recent conclusion, I am moving my vote. If nothing else, I think that sorting out mahrgell/ Foreman will prove to be illuminating. I would like to hear more about those two in particular from Skynx and ExO.

TT has already made it clear that he considers mahrgell 'a top town' and Foreman mafia while NU scum-reads mahrgell. Not so sure on his Foreman read although I'm inferring it's a town-read so he's welcome to elaborate there if I'm wrong.

Anyway, this:

##vote mahrgell

Foreman's a null-read for me.

Here's what I send cakepie last night for MafiaMetric:

ExO
mahrgell
Foreman
Rels ? / Skynx
Calix
Tictock
darthfoley
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 12:30 GMT
#408
On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:

I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth

This makes ExO very likely town

Explain.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 12:36 GMT
#410
I very much dislike mahr's last post. Too many words to state "Meta-wise, I think he's a scum-lean". And it's a meta-read.

But he gets some tryhard points for reading Outlaw just to get that one meta read.

mahr, summarize why Foreman and I are scum.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 12:37 GMT
#412
On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it.

lmao

You who HATES meta-reads like a meta-read post.

Eh, not surprised I guess. You did try to meta-read me this game and proved yourself a hypocrite once again.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 12:38 GMT
#414
On November 03 2016 21:37 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 21:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:

I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth

This makes ExO very likely town

Explain.

1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one.
2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing.

I buy this explanation.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 12:40 GMT
#416
On November 03 2016 21:38 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 21:37 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it.

lmao

You who HATES meta-reads like a meta-read post.

Eh, not surprised I guess. You did try to meta-read me this game and proved yourself a hypocrite once again.


Why does that mean that other people can't use them? I said that it was his best post, not that I agree with meta reads.

What is even the point of this post aside from to be antagonistic exactly?

Point out the inconsistency in your narrative.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 12:43 GMT
#419
##Unvote
##Vote Calix


Town doesn't ignore other members of the town.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 13:01 GMT
#421
On November 03 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
mahr, summarize why Foreman and I are scum.

Calix too.

It's almost as you two are using mafia as a buzzword.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 13:10 GMT
#424
Turbo game.

Serial killer game. I was hydra'ing under SecondLynch and typed in grey.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 13:11 GMT
#425
On November 03 2016 22:09 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 22:06 Rels wrote:
NU can you link your best scum game please


He has two.

Go onto SC2Mafia and look in the archived S-FMs. His first one is Politico, his second one has some stupidly long name related to 'the game of spies'

He is trying to improve his scum game, however. He's been lynched first on both occasions so he needs to.

Don't think he was talking to you.

He also asked for my best scum games, and those two don't fit into that category.

I still don't see any argument for me to be mafia here. zzz
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
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