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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 00:17 GMT
#796
EBWOP: pure salt*
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 00:23 GMT
#801
Was about to point out that Rels has an identical post count even though he was sort of implying earlier that my activity was a scum tell, cuz activity is apparently super duper important!
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 00:31 GMT
#808
I still don't like the mahrgell/Rels link and I find his excuse to townread Rels pretty superficial. Those reads are pretty safe tbh and underwhelming imo.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 05:48 GMT
#820
It's late but i'll read through the ExO vs. Ticktock cases tomorrow before EoD. Depending on the time of the EoD, I may need to make a final decision before two seconds before the deadline. I'm busy from 2:00PM-3:00PM EST and 4:30-6:00PM EST tomorrow afternoon/evening.

My vote is still on mahrgell as I find him the most sus, though at this juncture it looks as if the final wagon is gonna be ExO vs. Ticktock.

Still feel as if Rels and Skynx have been underwhelming. Didn't like Rels pressure on me in particular, felt a little forced and unnatural. Interested to see what he's slept on
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 15:23 GMT
#856
Hi. I'm back for about 40 minutes, then have a talk for a class for an hour, then might have half an hour between 1:00-2:00 for EoD discussion.

I'll try to respond to Rels/Calix and give my updated opinion on ExO vs. Ticktock. Gonna filter dive the latter now
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 15:56 GMT
#865
Upon further examination from detective Foley (reading ExO vs. Ticktock specifically), I have made a tentative conclusion:

I think I was wrong about TT, I feel as though ExO is the best lynch today, followed by Skynx probably. I am willing to hold off on mahrgell, as I think Rels brought up decent points and explained mahrgell's argument more clearly to me re Foreman vs. Rels inconsistency.

On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.


Other people have pointed it out, but I don't like this as an explanation and it seems very shallow. Rels's point regarding the OMGUS nature of ExO's arguments is compelling as well. I remember being very OMGUS towards Rels in our cell mafia game, but the stakes were MUCH higher in that game, hence the desperate play on my part (I was town). There's really no reason from ExO to be this defensive and OMGUS on D1. ExO also claims to trust Skynx

On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning?


I didn't like his filter and trust skynx


but later thinks that if he dies, town should investigate me and Skynx

On November 04 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote:
Darthfoley/Skynk have the shortest filters and might be good places to look as well. Going off filter length NU/Calix shouldn't be scum because they are so far and above everyone else. I'd find it hard to be posting that much as scum


Don't understand the sudden paranoia/change of heart, especially when Skynx is the only one still pushing the TT train. Regarding my TT case, upon second read through, I really liked his defense of this point

On November 04 2016 02:45 Tictock wrote:
Responding to Darth,

Show nested quote +

Not trying to rehash everything, but IMO saying it's illogical for town to do something, worded in that way, implies a mafia lean to some extent. TT, can you explain, how it shows "deeper thinking" and why that deeper thinking indicates Calix to be town?


Kus it's really easy for scum to go, "Thats illogical! Contradiction! Scum!" but as we all know town acts illogically and contradict themselves plenty often. Trying to find out what caused that by asking questions is that deeper thinking, not pigeon holeing someone based off one silly thing (see Exo or Foreman's push on Calix for examples there).

Show nested quote +
The green implies that TT should be townreading Skynx, and maybe even ExO for doing things "mafia normally wouldn't do" (i.e. drawing attention to themselves early), yet he flips in the next paragraph to saying his opening was scummy for being silent? You can't have it both ways.



Hadn't thought about it in that way. I see why it's very easy for mafia to just latch onto logical inconsistency (ironic, given my mahrgell tunnel) and not let it go.

Regarding me, I still don't think the Skynx thing held much merit. I think he's probably second lynch today considering his lack of activity and the way he seems to be sort of waffling on TT/ExO now?

My mahrgell tunnel was simply lazy; I waited to invest myself in ExO vs. TT after my case, because I wanted fresh eyes when I read it. The only thing I'll say about mahrgell is that I put 0 stock in lots of activity = town lean because I lost to a 30 page filter Shapelog in a newbie mafia game and will never forget it. Fuck that

I will probably look through NU/Calix filter at some point; anytime I see a 10 page filter on D1 I get triggered. I hate spam

##Vote:ExO
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 15:56 GMT
#866
I didn't read Skynx's last WoT before I posted mine, will do so ASAP
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 16:04 GMT
#869
I'm getting a tad paranoid with the one train lynch ???
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 16:08 GMT
#871
Yea we will see soon enough
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 17:03 GMT
#895
On November 05 2016 01:59 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 01:56 Skynx wrote:
On November 05 2016 01:53 Calix wrote:
On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.

With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?

I don't relate to your DF read.

How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?

ok.

Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.

I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.



Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though.

If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed?

In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case.

Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy?

I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point.


I find it quite odd that you're saying that you have this town-lean on ExO (one of your few town-reads/ leans/ whatever) yet you're not really trying to oppose his lynch or convince us how NU/ TT are mafia. (your NU case still makes zero sense, not a single bit)

You just don't seem to care that much at all.


ExO flips town, can say, told ya so! Even though he's not really doing much besides quibble. Don't see how this strategy makes sense if they're both scum though
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 17:57 GMT
#999
feel like ExO is town with how he's spam posting EoD and shit which sucks but with four minutes we're kinda stuck ugh
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 18:07 GMT
#1022
nah dude, mahrgell can't be scummy because first time scum can't spam or something like that

LoL

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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 18:08 GMT
#1025
Also kind of over Rels taking it personally every time he has a major hand in a mislynch and the mislynched person is mad at him. Unless he's mafia, which wouldn't classify this as a mislynch
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 18:20 GMT
#1038
On November 05 2016 03:10 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 03:08 darthfoley wrote:
Also kind of over Rels taking it personally every time he has a major hand in a mislynch and the mislynched person is mad at him. Unless he's mafia, which wouldn't classify this as a mislynch


Why do you think Rels had a 'major part' in ExO's ML? TT was clearly the one driving that while Rels popped in later after ExO was an established wagon.


Major part doesn't mean person X started the wagon. I felt like Rels, before he voted on me, was pushing the ExO envelope pretty hard, before he cased me, then went back to ExO for the rest of the day and basically shit on him. Like TT, his conclusion was very narrow: you're either scum or fuck you, which doesn't really leave any room for doubt-- which a few of us cited as the EoD concluded.

I started to get cold feet because ExO was spewing at the end, but Rels didn't seem to have those reservations. He's UBER tunneled me in the past as TvT (but it was a 15 man cell mafia game, so the stakes were a lot higher and the circumstances are very different from a 9 man game). Is this reaction usual for his town play? @ anyone who's played with him extensively
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 18:22 GMT
#1039
Not sure how I feel about Rels casing me hard, scum leaning me substantially, then up and leaving that vote without much of an explanation for ExO?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 18:25 GMT
#1040
On November 05 2016 02:45 mahrgell wrote:
Okay, I just made it back and finished reading up. I see no reason to change my vote. Exo's posts past my case have ust reinforced my impression further. I guess we see him flip and continue from there. I finally want to dive into Skynx/DF and TT. ^.^ Should be doing that before this nights Habs game if family doesn't keep me busy. Otherwise I for sure will have it done before end of the night.

At this point I'm actually a bit surprised how I'm suddenly everybodys darling. I guess I want to look i this progression too, as I feel kinda buddied here.

Then again... lets flip Exo first... This certainly will provide interesting information.


On November 05 2016 03:18 mahrgell wrote:
Btw, I'm still finding the relationship progression of players with me very interesting. It seems like I have been read as everything from strongtownlean to certainscum by most players. I feel like I'm always floating between getting buddied and getting shaded. If anyone feels like looking into it...


Wtf are these posts man? Can someone explain to me WHY they're reading mahrgell anything more than null?

Omg I feel buddied, i'm everyone's darling!!! so spook!!!! I (mahrgell) will look into it!

I feel like i'm floating between getting buddied and shaded? Anyone (not mahrgell) want to look into it?!
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 18:34 GMT
#1042
Mahrgell is always talking about what he's gonna do: he's been supposed to look into me, skynx and TT 18 hours ago.

On November 04 2016 09:23 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:26 mahrgell wrote:
Okay, finished reading up on Exo.

##Vote Exo_

Writing up my reasoning in a bit.

So far I have 2 more players on my todo pile: DF and Skynx. I will probably try to squeeze those in some time after sleeping and between family ^.^

Would you kindly summarize what your reads now look like?

My more recent and confident ones:
Scum:
Exo_

Neut:
FM

Townlead:
Calix, NU, Rels



I want to reevaluate TT, Skynx and DF next.
DF posted a lot of stuff, and it seemed to not match my image of him and at some point he went completely off when accusing me. But I may be biased on the stuff he writes about me, so I have to reread his filter and I will probably focus on the stuff not concerning me to make my judgement. From first impression I would tend scumlean though.I hope to ind time tmrw for it.

Skynx is Neut in my mind so far, mainly because I didn't pay much attention to his posts besides the onne paragraph directed at me. From memory he posted mostly useless stuff early, but later had 2 wot against me and 3 other players. Then his TT case. I will focus on those. (I actually wanted to do that earlier... but somehow kept busy)

TT I would townlean from memory. But I want to check the case made against him. If I currently Neut Skynx, while having a scum+scumlean, this would make Skynx by process of elimination a townie and his case must have some substance. Also iirc Exo jumped on it. If it was completely fabricated, this would mean the the entire scumteam went allin here... Then again, Exo jumping on it actually makes TT and Skynx look better. But this is now too much speculation, and I will warm this up once we have a flip. Anyway... I just want to read TT again


On November 04 2016 09:43 mahrgell wrote:
Thanks @Calix

With that I will now finally go to sleep. As time may be rare tomorrow, who do you suggest to look into first out of TT,DF and Skynx?
I guess you are valueing Skynx highly, so could you maybe give me a summary how you came to this? And then I would start with one of the other two. Probably DF, as TT seems to be tied to skynx. DF seems to be upset with me though and I don't feel like revenge reading ^.^ I doubt anything useful will come from his.


On November 05 2016 02:45 mahrgell wrote:
Okay, I just made it back and finished reading up. I see no reason to change my vote. Exo's posts past my case have ust reinforced my impression further. I guess we see him flip and continue from there. I finally want to dive into Skynx/DF and TT. ^.^ Should be doing that before this nights Habs game if family doesn't keep me busy. Otherwise I for sure will have it done before end of the night.

At this point I'm actually a bit surprised how I'm suddenly everybodys darling. I guess I want to look i this progression too, as I feel kinda buddied here.

Then again... lets flip Exo first... This certainly will provide interesting information.


How many times can you say you're gonna filter dive before you do it? Why are you asking other people who you should look into? Why is mahrgell claiming he would be "revenge reading?" He town leans me, so why would looking through my filter be useless?

These posts were made 18 hours ago, and 1 hour ago.

I DO NOT LIKE
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 18:48 GMT
#1048
Damn it mahrgell i was hoping you wouldn't post something pro-town
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 18:49 GMT
#1049
also experienced mafia would def try to influence/sway the first timer and I think an easy effective way to do so would be to town-read buddy him
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 18:51 GMT
#1052
On November 05 2016 03:51 NeverUnlucky wrote:
just wanted to say that whoever is drunk on whiskey after that ml is scum


come again?
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