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On November 03 2016 04:17 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:14 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:10 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 04:01 mahrgell wrote:
@Foreman
Now that you noticed your misread. Are you still going after Calix, or have you shifted your focus on NU?
Would the argument you made for Calix also apply to NU? Or where do you see the difference there? The fact he isn't voting ExO does not make his push any less disingenuous. Knock knock, Calix is here, asking you to read my NU case like a good dear. Is my NU case also disingenuous? If so, how? Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it.
That is anti-town, dude. As bad and as incorrect as her post on me is, you cannot have this attitude towards her, especially 2 hours into the game.
I'm reading this as buddying.
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On November 03 2016 04:40 Calix wrote:
Man, having everyone be a bunch of slow-pokes with typing is making me bored. I'm just going to vote now.
##vote NeverUnlucky
I would expect literature students to be better readers.
Guess not.
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On November 03 2016 04:58 Calix wrote:
As a side note, I was supposed to be posting LESS this game. Well fuck that.
As always, most of the other players are lazy arseholes so I guess it's my job to carry the town discussion yet again and get shanked N1.
Boring.
Good, Calix's first town-tell.
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On November 03 2016 06:22 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 04:40 Calix wrote:
Man, having everyone be a bunch of slow-pokes with typing is making me bored. I'm just going to vote now.
##vote NeverUnlucky I would expect literature students to be better readers. Guess not. Using personal information to insult others is classless.
It was banter. Thought you'd laugh. :/
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On November 03 2016 05:57 mahrgell wrote:
@NU I'm fine with that explanation. I agree with Calix that the way you worded it, you put those words in his mouth and agreed with them. Then again, I guess we can file this under misunderstanding for now. And I generally appreciate your stated goal to make things more civil. So continue doing so.
How is your opinion on what happened in your afk time?
How you judge Foreman, Exo, Calix, Skynx? darthfoley had only one post, not sure you would want to read anything.
And well... if you have questions for me... fire away.
I've skimmed 11-13 because it was "This is NAI" and "No, it's not, read my NU case" talk.
My honest opinion on what happened so far would be: boring.
I dislike in this order Skynx, ExO, Foreman, Calix, you.
And I appreciated darthfoley's one post.
That's about how my read look like.
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On November 03 2016 06:08 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:05 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:01 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. There My 'illogical' comment was referring to ExO though, not NU. But NU said "I agree with Calix that ExO's defensiveness is scummy" and when I said "I didn't say that, where did you get that idea from?" he then changes and says "well I said that" Which makes no sense. How do you even get that mixed up? As I already said, NU appears to me to equivocate logical fallacy with scumminess. Reread his post with the mindset of using one as a synonym for the other and his mindset is more clear, even if I do disagree with the principle.
Mhh?
That's 100% Calix you're describing here. I rarely if ever read people based on logic.
What made you think that?
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On November 03 2016 06:09 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:Oh, god! Guys, could you at least wait for me to be here so you don't make factually incorrect claims about my meta? :/ On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point. Clarify this now, please. I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject. Offski. I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why. Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment. Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind. Well in my opinion, this is how it went down: - He asks why ExO is being overly defensive. - I call ExO anti-town. - He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive. - I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions. - He denies claiming this. - I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix" This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that. That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea. This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy. It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target. So yeah, discuss and all that. It is wrong that I am tamer as scum. Calix, you've read my latest scum game, you would know that I throw shade and throw shade as scum. I power-wolf. Here, I am trying to be civil and have everyone participate. Last game, in the obs QT, Shapelog mentioned 3-4 times that I was a nuisance to the thread atmosphere. It's clear that this is what team NU is trying to fix here. I could shitpost just like last game and call everyone bad, but that wouldn't fix the problem, right? I rephrased what I had meant two posts ago. What you depicted in this quote is not what I meant/what happened. How is it scummy though? Like, just last game you were calling me scum for claiming to be mod-confirmable, then when HF questioned you, you backtracked. It's actually pro-town. The bolded part stuns me. I'm trying my best not to bash you on it. Same for this whole post you just made on me. I said that I did not like your push, how did you make this leap to think that I was being deceptive into fueling your tunnel? You are trying to claim that a performance in a turbo game is representative of longer-term games. A SINGLE turbo game at that. Given that you admitted yourself that they aren't the same prior to this game, this statement makes no sense for you to make now. You do NOT have a meta of 'power wolfing'. 100% bullshit. Second paragraph has been noted. Why didn't you say that in the pre-game though? False equivalence. I made a claim with my thought process explained, was given information that contradicted it and realised my claim was void. You specifically noted that I 'agreed' with you and have not told us why you thought that to begin with. You're refraining from bashing me. Apparently you're refraining from countering the accusation properly as well.
If I pulled off a 1v7 as mafia while Power Wolfing, why the FUCK would I change my scum meta? There's no bullshit in that claim whatsoever.
If I were to roll scum, it was in my interest to keep this window of shitting up the thread open, and for other reasons that cannot be discussed here.
I have explained that post already.
If only there was a valid accusation to counter.
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On November 03 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:08 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 06:05 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:01 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. There My 'illogical' comment was referring to ExO though, not NU. But NU said "I agree with Calix that ExO's defensiveness is scummy" and when I said "I didn't say that, where did you get that idea from?" he then changes and says "well I said that" Which makes no sense. How do you even get that mixed up? As I already said, NU appears to me to equivocate logical fallacy with scumminess. Reread his post with the mindset of using one as a synonym for the other and his mindset is more clear, even if I do disagree with the principle. From what I can tell, he's saying that 'it was a mistake' (aka, it should be dismissed) (I'm considering that part of his defense NAI) Call me stupid but I don't see what his liking for using logical fallacies has to do with this point.
You're misrepresenting me so much this game. I never said or inferred that this point should be dismissed.
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On November 03 2016 06:33 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I dislike in this order Skynx, ExO, Foreman, Calix, you.
And I appreciated darthfoley's one post.
That's about how my read look like. How do you dislike mag**** less than Calix when mag**** has been an echo chamber of Calix?
Mahrgell is willing to take step back from his pushes while Calix is seemingly trying to get me stuck in the past and not backing off, instead worsening her already god awful push.
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On November 03 2016 06:35 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:31 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 06:08 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 06:05 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:01 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. There My 'illogical' comment was referring to ExO though, not NU. But NU said "I agree with Calix that ExO's defensiveness is scummy" and when I said "I didn't say that, where did you get that idea from?" he then changes and says "well I said that" Which makes no sense. How do you even get that mixed up? As I already said, NU appears to me to equivocate logical fallacy with scumminess. Reread his post with the mindset of using one as a synonym for the other and his mindset is more clear, even if I do disagree with the principle. Mhh? That's 100% Calix you're describing here. I rarely if ever read people based on logic. What made you think that? If you're saying you don't equivocate illogical with scummy, them I'm wrong in my interpretation and that actually strengthens Calix's case imho.
Calix's case which you did not read. Ha.
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##Unvote
##Vote Calix
She cannot believe this strongly that I am scum because of that one post, she who claims I am an easy read for her.
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I agree with TT on all points. Especially line 3.
His VT claim was very odd, too, even more when you see him explaining it in 4 lines. It could have been him setting up a reason to be alive late in the game as scum, or he is a blue. In any case, I highly doubt that he is VT as VTs don't claim VT.
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On November 03 2016 07:00 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Calix
She cannot believe this strongly that I am scum because of that one post, she who claims I am an easy read for her. Are you really doing this, NU? You have the entirety of CM where I tunneled you on multiple occasions (causing a TvT) and you're trying to use that argument again? I am not even tunneling you this round so you are being extremely inconsistent with your logic. Your 'argument' can be so easily disproved that I'm concluding that you're full of shit. I'm even more confident in my vote.
You're voting me based on 1 post for which I debunked everything.
Yes, in CM I KNEW you were town. You were obvious town.
You're suggesting that this is a TvT again or that I am town?? I don't understand that point.
Where am I being inconsistent?
I am actually so mad at you for this whole SHITTY push. You're preventing me from playing my game by digging me a hole and making me mad.
You fail to EVEN explain how this ONE post makes me scum. Can you not see that your 'case' is shit? You've spent 2 pages shitting up the thread by asking other to look at it and nobody but mahr agreed with it (And mahr isn't even voting me). Isn't that a giant "I AM TUNNELING YET AGAIN" flag? You have a coach, Jesus, use him.
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On November 03 2016 07:02 Calix wrote:
NU has become a full-on scum-read for me. He's using completely different reasoning in his response to me between different games.
That's not him 'changing his mind' - that is a major flip!
I want to lynch you IRL.
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On November 03 2016 07:04 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:02 Calix wrote:
NU has become a full-on scum-read for me. He's using completely different reasoning in his response to me between different games.
That's not him 'changing his mind' - that is a major flip! By this, I mean that I made a (poor) case against him in CM (last game) and although even I said that my case sucked, he still town-read me without doubt and defended me against HF when he said 'lol Calix you're attacking someone you think is an easy read'. This round I do pretty much the same thing (with making a case) and his response is to scum-read me for it because 'no way are you this bad with voting for someone you used to claim was an easy read' Vote NU.
WTF
I DID NOT TOWN-READ YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR CASE IN CM. That is just straight out wrong.
Plus GOOD JOB of not taking into consideration any sort of context when bringing up arguments, well done.
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On November 03 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote:
Only other thing I can think of I care to comment on atm is that Calix's push on NU seems to mostly be based on him implying she said stuff she didn't. Doesn't sway me at all, unless I missed some better reasons.
WEOOO WEOOO YOUR CASE IS BAD WEOO WEOO
WAKE UP CALIX
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On November 03 2016 07:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:14 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 07:00 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Calix
She cannot believe this strongly that I am scum because of that one post, she who claims I am an easy read for her. Are you really doing this, NU? You have the entirety of CM where I tunneled you on multiple occasions (causing a TvT) and you're trying to use that argument again? I am not even tunneling you this round so you are being extremely inconsistent with your logic. Your 'argument' can be so easily disproved that I'm concluding that you're full of shit. I'm even more confident in my vote. You're voting me based on 1 post for which I debunked everything. Yes, in CM I KNEW you were town. You were obvious town. You're suggesting that this is a TvT again or that I am town?? I don't understand that point. Where am I being inconsistent? I am actually so mad at you for this whole SHITTY push. You're preventing me from playing my game by digging me a hole and making me mad. You fail to EVEN explain how this ONE post makes me scum. Can you not see that your 'case' is shit? You've spent 2 pages shitting up the thread by asking other to look at it and nobody but mahr agreed with it (And mahr isn't even voting me). Isn't that a giant "I AM TUNNELING YET AGAIN" flag? You have a coach, Jesus, use him. ATE.
0 response to a wall post. Nice, nice.
What's ATE?
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On November 03 2016 07:21 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:04 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I agree with TT on all points. Especially line 3.
His VT claim was very odd, too, even more when you see him explaining it in 4 lines. It could have been him setting up a reason to be alive late in the game as scum, or he is a blue. In any case, I highly doubt that he is VT as VTs don't claim VT. Lol are you making it a point to put words in people's mouth or did you mix me up with someone? I don't think I said anything about Exo's shitty VT claim. Also VT's claim VT all the time.
I said I agreed with the points you made PLUS I don't buy his VT claim.
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If I'm being completely honest I think that Calix is town.
But then I would have to explain myself, so I'll just keep pretending I scum-read her.
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On November 03 2016 07:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 07:15 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 07:14 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 07:00 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Calix
She cannot believe this strongly that I am scum because of that one post, she who claims I am an easy read for her. Are you really doing this, NU? You have the entirety of CM where I tunneled you on multiple occasions (causing a TvT) and you're trying to use that argument again? I am not even tunneling you this round so you are being extremely inconsistent with your logic. Your 'argument' can be so easily disproved that I'm concluding that you're full of shit. I'm even more confident in my vote. You're voting me based on 1 post for which I debunked everything. Yes, in CM I KNEW you were town. You were obvious town. You're suggesting that this is a TvT again or that I am town?? I don't understand that point. Where am I being inconsistent? I am actually so mad at you for this whole SHITTY push. You're preventing me from playing my game by digging me a hole and making me mad. You fail to EVEN explain how this ONE post makes me scum. Can you not see that your 'case' is shit? You've spent 2 pages shitting up the thread by asking other to look at it and nobody but mahr agreed with it (And mahr isn't even voting me). Isn't that a giant "I AM TUNNELING YET AGAIN" flag? You have a coach, Jesus, use him. ATE. 0 response to a wall post. Nice, nice. What's ATE? Appeal to Emotion. Your push is contradicting your play and reasoning last game. End of discussion. Continue shitting up the thread with your temper tantrums instead of doing anything productive like I told you to do. I'm sure that'll help your case. Instead of whining, do anything else. Leave the thread if you're that much of a cry-baby.
So you're meta-reading me for not playing like last game. HIPOCRISY MUCH?
I have 0 intent on contributing anything right now, and I don't think that'll change in the following days.
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