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On November 03 2016 04:31 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:26 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 04:22 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:17 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 04:14 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:10 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 04:01 mahrgell wrote:
@Foreman
Now that you noticed your misread. Are you still going after Calix, or have you shifted your focus on NU?
Would the argument you made for Calix also apply to NU? Or where do you see the difference there? The fact he isn't voting ExO does not make his push any less disingenuous. Knock knock, Calix is here, asking you to read my NU case like a good dear. Is my NU case also disingenuous? If so, how? Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it. Why not? Following multiple leads is not bad for town. And even if we flip Calix in the end, no matter what color it is, having his talking points discussed would be beneficial to town. So I can't understand that refusal to comment on it. Especially as I would be very interested in your opinion. Don't worry, we won't forget about Calix. And if you feel it got forgotten, ust bring it up later again, if someone wants to balem you for it, just forward it to me. Because scum has every reason to make bad pushes on town. Unless I'm convinced that I'm wrong on Calix, I'm not getting invested in his pushes. Well... So you refuse to answer me, because I share points with Calix on this issue? So I'm now scum by association for you? Doing that after posting large paragraphs about "what kind of behaviour is protown"?
No... Your "points" were "read Calix points".
I'm not interested in his push until he does more than handwave and discredit me, and you echoing him doesn't change that.
If you want to sheep his push, then whatever. But don't act like you are being original here.
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On November 03 2016 04:43 mahrgell wrote:Oh, and about me saying you are bad. Not what I meant. You are just sometimes very... overzealous and tunneled. This seems to weaken your own reads, but at the same time stirs up enough dust for others to make valuable reads, so I don't even consider it a bad thing. I usually try to stay more distanced and openminded though.  And use your stirred up chaos :D
Trying out a more level-headed play-style this game...for my standards anyway. I will still be the person doing most of the moving-and-shaking shenanigans while everyone sits around with their cups of tea and whines
That's not a dismissal of your play-style, however. Having different players/ styles in a game results in a better game so I agree that it's a good thing.
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None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
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On November 03 2016 04:44 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:40 Calix wrote:
Man, having everyone be a bunch of slow-pokes with typing is making me bored. I'm just going to vote now.
##vote NeverUnlucky Didn't you want to wait until NU comes back and answers? While I support your points about him, I still want to see his answer before I can support this push. And for the time being, I'm more looking at Foreman than at NU anyway.
I'm impatient and nobody else is doing anything.
On November 03 2016 04:46 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you  Sorry. It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you. I am aware that he is only going after you. But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum. I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ. But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown. So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book. It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands. How can you be so hesitant to scum read anyone? All of your reads come built in with "but I might be wrong." You back pedal on everything you've said so far and leave yourself a way out. Almost as if you are afraid to hard scum read somebody because you know you are lying. I'm quite convinced you are scum leaving yourself as many outs as possible.
That's not back-pedaling. I provided arguments for both sides for Foreman before concluding null.
I have never had problems with hardcore scum-reading players in games as scum. You are conflating "measured reads" with uncertainty. I have specifically stated that I am NOT tunneling and that I am changing my style this game.
Please read before making ignorant statements.
I also want a comment on NU's case. I will not be impressed if you ignore it a la Foreman.
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On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
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On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
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On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
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If Calix is town, there's a fair chance that marghell is scum.
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As a side note, I was supposed to be posting LESS this game. Well fuck that.
As always, most of the other players are lazy arseholes so I guess it's my job to carry the town discussion yet again and get shanked N1.
Boring.
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On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages 
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Calix, talk to me about marghell.
What do you make of his sheeping and buddying?
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On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
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On November 03 2016 04:59 Foreman wrote:
Calix, talk to me about marghell.
What do you make of his sheeping and buddying?
How is he sheeping? He said he agreed with my case with some additional comments.
I was initially paranoid that he was trying to pocket me. That was my fear until he made the "lol I don't want to think like Calix" comment. That seems too weird to be a buddying attempt to me.
Why would mahrgell be scum if I am town exactly?
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Actually that post where he's like "pls don't mind-meld with me" was pretty weird because we didn't actually have the same thought process on the posts. (I didn't get that impression anyway)
But that's the only post that I found weird from mahrgell so I'm fine with him for now.
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On November 03 2016 05:01 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:59 Foreman wrote:
Calix, talk to me about marghell.
What do you make of his sheeping and buddying? How is he sheeping? He said he agreed with my case with some additional comments. I was initially paranoid that he was trying to pocket me. That was my fear until he made the "lol I don't want to think like Calix" comment. That seems too weird to be a buddying attempt to me. Why would mahrgell be scum if I am town exactly?
I said fair chance, not sure thing.
He's being your echo chamber. I think he realized that and had to distance a bit, hence the rude remark.
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On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff)
Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push)
Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
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I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.
Can we talk about like flowers and butterflies?
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On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all. Here is what happened; Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others) What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO.
"all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on.
With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me.
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On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all. Here is what happened; Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others) What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
Here is what happened:
Skynx entered thread
Skynx complained about unproductive content
Skynx provided unproductive content
What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks.
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On November 03 2016 05:03 Calix wrote:
Actually that post where he's like "pls don't mind-meld with me" was pretty weird because we didn't actually have the same thought process on the posts. (I didn't get that impression anyway)
But that's the only post that I found weird from mahrgell so I'm fine with him for now.
That post was more directed at the fact, that whenever I posted, and refreshed, to see who else posted in the time while I wrote my post... There was always a similar post from you.
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