EPTOn December 04 2016 05:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Onegu lives in Taiwan I think? So it's still early in the morning.
Onegu lives in Taiwan I think? So it's still early in the morning.
Oh OK
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I just skimmed what happened since then... I honestly don't see a reason to change any of the points/opinions I made. It feels like finally more people are willing to reconsider SL though. Hell, even you did a 180. Only yesterday you were still yelling at me because I called out shlog and you called me and my reasoning shit. Welcome to the other side. Also just to correct you, this didn't happen. I have maintained Shapelog is mafia since the first time I've mentioned him and haven't changed it. I have also had sl as my second top mafia if shape isn't mafia. I can dislike your points because they don't make someone mafia but I can independently think the same person is mafia possibly. On December 02 2016 02:40 Holyflare wrote: My lynch pool/order is: Shape Sl if shape is town, off list completely if mafia Checkm8 Rels (confirmed town) Onegu I mean you complain and whine at me all game but here we are again where you're saying what I've already said but after me  | ||
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to lazy to search for it, so again you will have to deal with me writing from my mind and I apologize in advance that the text again is way too long... But I simply lack the ability to order my thoughts as I write right now, so I just write it off as it comes to mind. It was about why I think your list of "questions" regarding SL is not leading anywhere (lets try to improve on tone here...) This answer again will give you a look into my approach to the game. I think it is by now crystalclear that we will not agree on this topic. But honestly I think there is place for both in the game. And I think the last Newbiegame was a good example for that. (but everyone wanted to kill me first, because I decided to play differently...) I already touched this in my previous post, and so did I in the original post you reponded to: Basically all the stuff Shlog wrote D2 are insanely subjective. I can easily take everything at face value and believe it. And I can easily see him doing this completely out of thin air and then spin some idea in my mind how evil shlog is sitting behind his computer and fools us all (except that he gets lynched, it seems... masterplan failed^^) The point with your list though is, that you decided to completely tunnel down on the second interpretation. There is no room left. Why I think this is not leading anywhere and suboptimal is for multiple reasons: Finding scum interpretations for peoples actions is usually really easy. Some people love claiming "I would never do that as scum", but basically this ends to be almost always as WIFOM. So you locking in into on out of many possible scum!shlog interpretations feels simply bad. If you believe it and you are town, than I have to tell you that you should leave your tunnel and open your mind more. If you don't believe it and just want to pressure, it is still bad, but I get to that in a moment. And well... if you are scum, I now could make up an interpretation on how this makes sense... But then we are back to the beginning of this argument. Secondly, if you decide to go with this overload attack... This makes only sense if you are completely locked on killing the target. You can not really expect anyone to properly answer this. It is simply not possible. You made up an interpretation, which may or may not be correct (and it not being correct does not make shlog town btw, he can still be scum but doing things for completely different reasons) and now you want him to do what? There is absolutely no point in argueing with people about their scum motivations. They can answer anything, the correct answer could be anything. What makes sense is talking about their town motivations. Town doesnt have the same luxury as scum here. If a townie honestly answers on his motivations and why he did what he did and why he thinks he is helping town... This can be judged. And you may accept it or not. TT is such a case... He had a lot of strange actions. If I wanted, I could now do a huge case on him, using the style you used, lock an interpretation on how all his play makes sense as Scum.TT. But from all his answers he has given, I can also make a case on him being town. This is why he ends up as Neut. There is a small lean, which wobbles back and fourth in the TT case, as my personal judgement on which is more likely comes in though. In contrast we have to look at SL: I really have huge issues with ever finding a logical town explanation for his play. I originally said that it feels like he is shitting up intentionally. I had troubles finding concrete examples, but when reading him I was not the only one who voiced this feeling. Now the issue why I had him on Neut before D2 was that while I had real troubles finding a town interpretation for his actions, the same was true for finding a scum interpretation which is not completely outlandish... But well... this feeling that he intentionally shits up the thread... It really doesnt even fit in any town interpretation. So all thats left is this, even though rather difficult for me to understand, scum interpretation of his actions. (which btw really confuses me, as just again the argument was brought "but yeah, this is too obv to be scum" I agree on it... problem is just it does not fit at all to town... It is not like certain weird reads or tunnels or mislynches or timing patterns or setup misreads...) | ||
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On December 04 2016 05:07 Rels wrote: mahrgell I understand the dilemna you're bringing up. The answer to this is just lynching the scummiest dude. Now activity can be a alignment indicator, but it should be just that - between a inactive scumlean and a super active scumread we should lynch the scumread. then SL it is... | ||
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On December 04 2016 04:27 Rels wrote: "Opportunistic" is the easiest word to use when you wanna throw fake suspicion to someone. Your shape read STILL doesn't make sense. Have you even read his filter ? He's the goddamn lynch right now and you don't think he's scum - at least you think there are 4 people scummier than him. Why ? You just admited your "he wouldn't claim cop" BS doesn't hold, why is he townier than TT C8 DF and I ? And to add to that, I find very suspicious that you wouldn't fight against a lynch you don't believe in, especially since I know you can do exactly that as town. I fought against it at the start of the day...where were you? It didnt work everyones afk here we are | ||
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On December 04 2016 05:15 Holyflare wrote: Also just to correct you, this didn't happen. I have maintained Shapelog is mafia since the first time I've mentioned him and haven't changed it. I have also had sl as my second top mafia if shape isn't mafia. I can dislike your points because they don't make someone mafia but I can independently think the same person is mafia possibly. I mean you complain and whine at me all game but here we are again where you're saying what I've already said but after me I will just let you believe that if it makes you feel better. | ||
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But people asked for stuff and with me not in shape to give a structured answer this is all I can give them  | ||
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On December 02 2016 02:05 Tictock wrote: Humm in my PoV this game is basically solvable just by PoE now. Lynch through Shape,Ch8, SL. If that doesn't do it then there is mafia in darth/Onegu. The old poe when half the game is unredable due to content moving you down one | ||
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On December 04 2016 05:31 sicklucker wrote: I fought against it at the start of the day...where were you? It didnt work everyones afk here we are And why shouldn't we Lynch shape ? | ||
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I did the same thing to darthfoley about 4 times and he responded excellently and is now a strong town read. What about my questions were hard to answer at all? | ||
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can you stop talking about a ghost thats already as good as dead no shennanies are happening here ever? Your talking alot of shit about me but what have you brought to the table other then talking about a dead person and me thinking hes not a great lynch even tho hes already lynched and its not really relevant to the game | ||
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On December 02 2016 22:13 Holyflare wrote: Why is he angry? Why does he have 0 reads? How can he have 0 reads but adequately defend himself? How can he be aware of the flips, be here for deadline and still not conclude a thing? Why are there so many activity excuses that weren't ever mentioned before? Why is he so angry and attacking player personalities rather than than discussing the points? How can he possibly know people scum read Checkm8 and himself if he hasn't been around to play? If he knows this from reading the thread why can't he make a list? That scum team isn't super old, it's post nu flip? Why is he only filter diving checkm8 with the mindset that he is mafia with checkm8???? So many questions to ask. This is largely a rhetorical post btw. You're meant to come out scum reading Shapelog from it. If he can answer some of the ones that aren't weighted to making him look like mafia then he'd be fine? If he came and posted "I've been busy, sorry, was really tired but now I'm fully caught up and here are my reads bla bla. Sorry, was angry yesterday that you didn't read my defence and called me mafia still so took it out on you personally in anger. I filter dived checkm8 so I could get a better read on other people not necessarily check. I got that he was just afk so not much from that. I'm caught up but I didnt post reads because I only skimmed through and honestly had nothing concrete yet being exhausted." Then I would likely unvote him. But he didnt. | ||
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