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Holyflare
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Rels
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mahrgell
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On December 03 2016 02:27 Tictock wrote: Your conclusion here is correct, but let me tell you a story about how the bolder line of thought can lead you astray. Long long ago, in a thread not so far away, a dude named Tictock rolled scum for the first time. His teammates names are unimportant so let's call them X and Y. After a day full of spamming and saying whatever he felt he needed to our hero Tictock had managed to avoid most of the suspicion and even helped get his buddy X out from the spotlight just enough that Town decided to hang what turned out to be their only blue role. The blue claimed far too late and our hero Tictock laughed at Town's mistake safely riding an alternate wagon. His buddy X however was voting for the blue and in a moment of panicked genius X invited right at EoD without placing a new vote. Town was shocked, and amazed at X's bravery. He had risked the mighty mod hammer by technically not voting, and thus they concluded he could never be Scum. Tictock, X, and Y celebrated their success and applauded X for his maneuver. As the Days went by X became more and more fearful and spoke less and less, Y eventually faultered and was found out by the Town. In the end though our hero Tictock did enough talking and X had gained so much respect for his risking the mod hammer that they managed to subvert the town and rid themselves of the Holy Guardians doo-gooders once and for all. + Show Spoiler [TLDR] + In my first mafia game, Holy Guardians, I had a teammate get insane towncred by unvoting off the D1 lynch right at deadline when the guy claimed blue. Everyone said there was no way Mafia would risk a modkill trying to save a blue role. We easily rode that sentiment to victory despite my buddy never being able to keep himself posting more than the bare minimum. Acknowledged, then I will try to ban that reasoning from my mind and I think this discussion can be considered finished. But thanks. I didn't know this was really viable/tolerated. | ||
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mahrgell
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On December 03 2016 02:53 Tictock wrote: Humm expected a bit more activity while I slept. I hope we don't have to wait half a phase to hear from Rels again. At this point I think it's safe to say CM8 has given up on this game. I'm kinda with Gell on waiting for Shapes reads but I also don't see anything in his posts thus far that make me think anything but scum. HF did a nice summary of what felt wrong with his posts today. I suppose if nothing is happening I'll try and filter Onegu and darth. I'd still like to know how in the world Onegu had me as like top teir town on D1. Has anything come out of those searches? With everyone disappearing we have time to talk ^.^ (though I would prefer to talk HF and SL, but there seems absolutely no interest at all to do that...) | ||
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mahrgell
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On December 03 2016 04:08 emperorchampion wrote: Can you provide some examples of point 2? Can you expand on point 3? Honestly, some stuff had been mentioned before, and the rest I didn't feel like detailing. I for once wanted to keep a post short... But I guess... You really want me to drop wots. But let's go for it. Gimme a bit of time. | ||
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Tictock
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I still kinda like Onegu's early posts as they flow easily and just seem like he's having some fun early game. Even his early stuff on Koshi feels more like he is joking around, though it kinda carries on too long. Then I get to post #421 which is more or less the first serious post I'm finding from Onegu, and it's just undermining Gell's TR on Koshi. Doesn't quite match up with Onegu trolling Koshi but otherwise liking him as his filter thus far implies. Took almost another full page of filter before I found another serious post, #800, and it's another post where he seems to dislike Koshi for OMGUS reasons. I really don't get what Onegu would expect when he openly claimed to be trolling Koshi and is literally calling him scum in almost every other post. I wish I could stick with ignoring this shit but it is literally the only content in Onegu's filter so far. Right after that is Onegu's mega post #810. Noteable things in this post: -Disregards LS's "seems like mafia in NU vs Emp, and NU seems more likely" with nothing - Hard townreads HF for being laid back -bunch more shit about Koshi - Dislikes Emp for asking a question, might be noteworthy that Emp's question was directed at NU. #878 - claims he will consolidate if Koshi won't happen. Says he needs to look into who else he might vote. So he had no scum reads besides Koshi at this point. Next couple of posts he seems to put Emp in his sights. Mentions Emps back and forth on NU and then asks NU what was good about Emps case on me. Not sure this is a great basis for an association with NU but it's a bit odd how Onegu kinda talks about NU without giving any read on him. Bunch more stuff about Koshi and then we get to Onegu's vote post on Emp. I mentioned this post before but it's still odd how Onegu says it's "NU or myself" again disregards giving a read on NU and instead references Koshi for why he doesn't want to vote NU. The vote on Emp at least tracks. #1078 - First time we get a glimpse about Onegu's reads. Still no clue how he could townread me so hard given my D1, and NU is apparently a second teir townread. And that is basically it. I mentioned his reactions to the flip before. They don't read as towns to me anymore. no reaction to a mafia flip,instead concedes Koshi is town and talks about his filter length. Which feels pretty silly given his whole filter is basically just pushing Koshi. I'm also noting that Onegu did literally nothing to push Emp as scum. It really just looked like he realized he needed another target than Koshi and so choose Emp. Literally the only thing he mentioned he didn't like about Emp was him not liking him asking questions, which literally never makes anyone mafia. Bumping Onegu up on my PoE, He should be the lynch after Shape or the lynch today if Shape somehow becomes towny. | ||
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Rels
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Rels
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as if you just decided to have a joke tone, it was a legit question, you obv have some ideas about the game, I don't get why you would not share it | ||
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Tictock
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I'll be really surprised if the last 2 mafia are not in Shape/CM8/Onegu/SL. @Gell if you wanna talk about HF I'm all ears but I still think he is town and even if I had more doubt I think there are far better targets. | ||
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Tictock
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Rels
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On December 02 2016 07:49 Tictock wrote: I'm kinda assuming it's setup #3 with a flipped Framer and Cop. Maybe JK decided he had a better TR on someone else, also possibly got RB'd. TT how could you check the setups and make such an error ? It's weird to me | ||
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Tictock
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How would I make that mistake as scum? | ||
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Rels
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On December 02 2016 09:25 mahrgell wrote: First of all. I already said, that the first link for my is ust policy lynch territory. The second one is really not. Like I have no clue how the TL mafia meta goes. But hailing players as such great mafia players, when this seems to be entirely based on them establishing such a bullshit meta and not ever being questioned y anyone else out of some weird kind of respect for it seems fucking weird. Now to the rest: I am not disagreeing with the part that his reads were kinda fluent. Hell, his "advice" to me regarding how to improve my play was actually good. But the point is, that every semi competent player should be able to do fluent reads when he singles out only 2 or 3 people out of 13. Other players(town and scum) make weird stuff. ump on those and score your points. Where scum really trips is when they have to deal those players who are more difficult. When they have to commit to interpretations etc. Again, you tell me this is his meta. If it is, great, then his play is not scum indicative. But it still has to be questioned. Next you say he is not hiding behind it? Really? Are we even in the same game? I'm not in the mood to filter dive right now, but from memory I know that when he was on me, I asked several questions regarding other players, wanted reads on anyone but me, he refused, saying that he is all on me, and doesnt care about anyone els,e because at work. He later came back, and didn't bother one bit to look a bit broader. Later on, he replaced me with you, now all he did was going after you. Again, there were several instances were he actively said that he is not willing to dive other filters and refused to answer questions. Really? He is not hiding behind this bullshit meta you are so willing to accept? Now look at his defenses. Not sure in what world he is living, but nope. Simply nope. His entire acitivity was on a handful players. If we do not udge acitvity by post count (Onegu would also do really well in that category) but how much of the game the person covered, than HF is in deep shit territory. Next post. Oh, wasn't he just a second ago so certain how great his play was? Suddenly he is getting tunneled on players who scumread him. Sounds like absolutely great mafia play. And yes, I completely agree that sometimes giving each other breathing room is a great idea. But when someone tells you to stop this tone, then going in, escalating it further and then using this as a bargain chip to get your breathing room? Nope! And seemingly this is completely okay for everyone. Okay, not much time has passed. But somehow I feel people are again gonna accept this. He did the same D1 and everybody was fine with it. Today I won't. If this is really all he has to bring, he should die. Like until now I tried to pay respect to what people told me about the meta on TL and in forum mafia in general. But this case I really can not do that, because it reminds me of last game. You were in there. I called out Foreman for exactly the same shit on D1. That he was scum in this case can be called noobs luck on my part. But anyway. I felt my case was reasonable. But then everybody jumped me. "But Mahrgell, him not answering your questions and giving you a finger, this could be part of his character and meta. This is really nothing." And Foreman grinned happily and didn't answer "But Mahrgell, him not caring about large parts of the game and publicly celebrating this arrogant and ignorant attitude, this could be really part of his meta, dont blame him for that" and again Foreman grinned happily and continued. Foreman then went MIA though, so the problem resolved itself. Like I had seen a comparison with Foreman earlier this game. Not sure who it was (CM8?). But really. If there is any Foreman equivalent in this game, it is HF. And people are completely willing to let this happen and it fucking annoys me. He loses nothing as town if he drops this ans finally starts answering and caring. But it makes his scum play pretty damn easy when everyone lets it go. And then I see people telling me "but keep HF alive for the first couple of days, lynch him later, he is a great contributor" Seriously, I was doing this with Koshi. But I have no fucking reason to do that with HF. I simply don't see great contributions. What has he actually done this game? Like if you compare the contributions of yourself(Rels), DF, Koshi, Emp to him... Is HF really the guy who can be called a leading contributor? My answer is no. TLDR: ##vote Holyflare To marghell: To answer your interrogation: what I was talking about when I said "he's not hiding behind it" was not the excuses you quoted, but the fact that he called other people scum while doing his "tunnels". In partcular, as I mentionned before, his LS read came out of the blue and I thought it was pretty townie. I'm not 100% convinced he's town but I kinda think he is. I agree that he is underwhelming BUT check any of his scumgames and you'll see that it's not a criteria to decide whether or not HF is scum; he has been considered one of the best scum on this forum for some time for his ability to lead the thread where he wants. Now I'm not saying him playing lazily proves he's not scum, but what I'm saying is him being unmotivated or lazy is very likely due to his outside-the-game mental state and not something he's doing to hide his scuminess, 'cause he's perfectly capable to be super townie as scum. | ||
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Rels
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On December 03 2016 09:42 Tictock wrote: I have a better counter question. How would I make that mistake as scum? The susbsquent point being that it awfully looks like a fake dumbtell | ||
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Rels
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On December 02 2016 09:59 sicklucker wrote: lol theres no way a mafia newb like mahrgell has the balls to go after hf this hard as mafia That doesn't make sense. "Newbie" mahrgell doesn't know about HF, and what HF has done this game wouldn't scare a newb scum more than half the players here | ||
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Rels
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On December 03 2016 09:47 Rels wrote: That doesn't make sense. "Newbie" mahrgell doesn't know about HF, and what HF has done this game wouldn't scare a newb scum more than half the players here SL please expand on that thought 'cause I'm not grasping it | ||
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Holyflare
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Rels
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On December 02 2016 14:35 Tictock wrote: Let's see if I can manage a filter dive. I've got an idea how I can do this but I won't be able to quote shit since I'm phone posting so bear with me a bit. Gunna look at SL since his recent posts give me the heebies and I want to see what Shape has got for us before looking at him in depth. A bunch of SLs posts seem like they could come from either alignment. The stuff that stands out to me is his TR of Shape because of Shapes earlier cop joke. SL made a post (#471) that indicates to me he knows it was a joke. The "I'll make mafia believe the claim and get Shape shot" bit makes me think he wasn't taking it as a real claim, and he even commented on Shapes grammar cop post. Then he goes on to say that mafia Shape never claims cop like that because he can't back out of it. Not only is it not at all true that mafia!shape would ever do that but it only makes sense if it were a real claim. #687 - seems odd to me that SL expected himself to be lynched. Usually he has a lot of fight in him and claims he can't be lynched #704 - feels like he is just adding shade to Gell with HF's pressure. Saying Gell isn't a newb and suggesting he might have a meta of making list posts feels off. The former suggests SL has experience with Gell but the latter is the opposite. #705 - First mention of NU. Calls him out for pushing lynch bait LS and for calling SL scum. Kinda late to pickup the LS point so seems more of a OMGUS reaction. Kinda in line with Koshi's point about SL bussing. #754 - straight up lie, SL never mentioned NU till after NU said stuff about him. Kinda wish I could check the timeline better but this is hard enough on a phone already. #756 - a bit odd he says "maybe Emp" in his mafia list when he hadn't mentioned him before and had literally just agreed with Emps post where he voted NU After that there wasn't really anything else D1. SL leaves a vote on NU, makes like 4 posts calling Onegu town for trying so hard, and that's it. During the night SL called darth scum, didn't follow through looking for NU spew, and wants towncred for "finding scum" and "AFK voting scum". The last part would be fine expect for him basically sleeping Emp then calling him mafia in the next post. Then suddenly today SL's posting is dramatically different and he's putting way too much stock into a really bad townread on Shape and not really evaluating Darth very well, just narrowly focusing on a few points. TBH I could still see a lot of this coming from town!SL, but I am really starting to think he is mafia here. On the the other hand these are all great observation. I started reading this post ready to be super critical about it but everything is fucking true - sicklucker's NU handling is fuckign weird in particular. Saying to him "you can die first", then saying to EC "yeah I can get behind a NU vote" (he's already said he's scumreading him ?) THEN calling EC maybe scum when EC main target was NU is super weird. Gonna quote it: On November 30 2016 08:30 sicklucker wrote: going after ls the ultimate lynchbait and getting mad about town circles. Then he just backs off it. then he attacks sicklucker on day one for no reason. he can die first so far On November 30 2016 16:00 sicklucker wrote: ya i can get behind this. his reasons for scum reading me seem super made up after I called him out for scum reading people for no reason On November 30 2016 16:02 sicklucker wrote: pretty sure I cant be scum since everyone whos likely scum thinks im scum. Darthfoley mahgr never maybe emp | ||
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