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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 18:02 GMT
#1339
On December 02 2016 02:46 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really suspicious/tin foil about ls if anyone asks btw. Being blunt I'll find it really weird that he said nu vs ec was mvt but couldn't say why or name which one was which.

Then the slip thing. If he's right and town then he's playing very well, better than I've ever seen him tbh.

Okay the bolded is bullshit. I did say out of those two I thought it was NU I will give you the quote. Yes about the not voting looks bad on me I didn't think my test would last from 2 hours from EoD to EoD.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 18:04 GMT
#1341
On November 30 2016 05:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here now. Not much has happened. I do think if one of EC or NU was scum it would be NU because he seems a bit opportunistic at times for his push on people (on me and EC) yet at the same he trying to solve the game more than EC. Plus the hidden LS rule that tends to happen: If someone is playing their game with me ever they would try to push me at someway.

This was where I said I thought it was NU.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 18:07 GMT
#1345
Therefore your point about me not saying which one of NU or EC was scum was debunked.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 18:08 GMT
#1346
On December 02 2016 03:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Therefore your point about me not saying which one of NU or EC was scum was debunked.

At Holyflare.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 18:13 GMT
#1350
On December 02 2016 03:09 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 03:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On November 30 2016 05:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here now. Not much has happened. I do think if one of EC or NU was scum it would be NU because he seems a bit opportunistic at times for his push on people (on me and EC) yet at the same he trying to solve the game more than EC. Plus the hidden LS rule that tends to happen: If someone is playing their game with me ever they would try to push me at someway.

This was where I said I thought it was NU.


I'm pretty sure people had to ask you for that. Either way I just think it's weird when someone says it's MvT but don't name the person and even when you did you didn't sound sure at all. You're a tin foil, you should be dead long before lylo anyway.

Cant remember if anyone asked me on that.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 18:16 GMT
#1353
About why I was unsure who it was: they both looked bad at the time but I thought it was more likely NU than EC because of my points on NU in the quote I gave.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 18:17 GMT
#1356
Koshi what your thoughts on my added points about Shapelog being scum?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 18:26 GMT
#1359
On December 02 2016 03:20 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Koshi what your thoughts on my added points about Shapelog being scum?

I can see it be true. I also want to lynch Shape over everybody else atm.

Let's lynch him then as soon as the day comes!
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 21:24 GMT
#1392
I here in my way home hopefully I will get back to my computer before EoN for a EoN reads post. Until I get home if you got questions towards me feel free to ask
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 21:43 GMT
#1393
Man no one wanting to talk I feeling quite sad now Either you guys got nothing to talk about or you guys waiting for me to get home for my reads post.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 21:48 GMT
#1394
Almost home will my reads post.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 21:48 GMT
#1395
On December 02 2016 06:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Almost home will make my reads post.

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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2016 22:12 GMT
#1401
Welp forgot about silence period. anyways Koshi was going to be my top town.
Town:
EC: Looks much better post flip of NU plus been trying to move the game along.
Mah: His actions in this game seem to match his last game and been trying to keep my straight.
Rels: Decent questioning when around doesn't seem much to stick out.
TT: Looked better with recent posting plus NU flip seems to point him to being town.
Onegu: Okay content his EoD looked decent wouldn't kill but most likely not scum atm.
Null:
Darth: Okay content but nothing to note worthy except him helping with the case on Shapelog and treating me like I am the boogie man or something lmao.
HF: Dunno how to feel about him At EoD voted Rels yet said to lynch NU which doesn't make sense from him.
Sicklucker: Was lazy Day 1/Night 1 would like to see what new content he will bring.
Scum:
Checkm8: Little content plus pulled the newbie card so many times instead of actually trying to find scum. Don't lynch before Shapelog.
Kill with Fire:
Shapelog: See Koshi's/Darth's case plus my addition to it.
##Vote: Shapelog
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2016 00:42 GMT
#1427
On December 02 2016 09:25 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 05:11 Rels wrote:
On December 02 2016 04:54 mahrgell wrote:
I just don't like this guy
HF - His number of posts does not really change his lack of real activity. Has been on 2 tunnels so far and openly celebrates his unwillingness to look deeper at other players or do anything besides tunneling. Oh and if I would be undecided between him and anyone else I would policy lynch him for this alone. This followup makes me actually feel very bad about him. Exchanging "i'm not being a dick and wont try to make you uncomfortable" for "don't scumread me" is quite pathetic.
Additionally him claiming himself to be toptown (have I mentioned I hate that?) without basically anything speaking for that feels almost like baiting for protection. I don't see a world where scum would lynch him.

hahaha =D
The links you posted are NAI for HF, he can be super annoying as either alignment.
The first things you're saying are the best actually. He COULD be scum playing the "I don't really care about this game" card but I don't think so anymore, because his reads flow and change logically, and more importantly, I don't have the feeling that he's hiding behind tunnels to not do anything else.


First of all. I already said, that the first link for my is ust policy lynch territory. The second one is really not. Like I have no clue how the TL mafia meta goes. But hailing players as such great mafia players, when this seems to be entirely based on them establishing such a bullshit meta and not ever being questioned y anyone else out of some weird kind of respect for it seems fucking weird.

Now to the rest: I am not disagreeing with the part that his reads were kinda fluent. Hell, his "advice" to me regarding how to improve my play was actually good. But the point is, that every semi competent player should be able to do fluent reads when he singles out only 2 or 3 people out of 13. Other players(town and scum) make weird stuff. ump on those and score your points.
Where scum really trips is when they have to deal those players who are more difficult. When they have to commit to interpretations etc. Again, you tell me this is his meta. If it is, great, then his play is not scum indicative. But it still has to be questioned.
Next you say he is not hiding behind it? Really? Are we even in the same game? I'm not in the mood to filter dive right now, but from memory I know that when he was on me, I asked several questions regarding other players, wanted reads on anyone but me, he refused, saying that he is all on me, and doesnt care about anyone els,e because at work. He later came back, and didn't bother one bit to look a bit broader.
Later on, he replaced me with you, now all he did was going after you. Again, there were several instances were he actively said that he is not willing to dive other filters and refused to answer questions. Really? He is not hiding behind this bullshit meta you are so willing to accept?

Now look at his defenses.
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
I honestly don't get how anyone can say I haven't been active either. I've made a lot of cases and good pushes.

Not sure in what world he is living, but nope. Simply nope. His entire acitivity was on a handful players. If we do not udge acitvity by post count (Onegu would also do really well in that category) but how much of the game the person covered, than HF is in deep shit territory.
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
It's also not pathetic in the slightest. I get tunneled on people that call me mafia almost exclusively and rels looks kind of the same so giving each other breathing room is the best thing to do.

Next post. Oh, wasn't he just a second ago so certain how great his play was? Suddenly he is getting tunneled on players who scumread him. Sounds like absolutely great mafia play. And yes, I completely agree that sometimes giving each other breathing room is a great idea. But when someone tells you to stop this tone, then going in, escalating it further and then using this as a bargain chip to get your breathing room? Nope! And seemingly this is completely okay for everyone.

Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
On December 02 2016 08:16 darthfoley wrote:
On December 02 2016 08:15 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi kill confirms me town.

##vote Shapelog


lol how?


So many reasons. The primary one being I'm not a retard.

Okay, not much time has passed. But somehow I feel people are again gonna accept this. He did the same D1 and everybody was fine with it. Today I won't. If this is really all he has to bring, he should die.

Like until now I tried to pay respect to what people told me about the meta on TL and in forum mafia in general. But this case I really can not do that, because it reminds me of last game. You were in there.
I called out Foreman for exactly the same shit on D1. That he was scum in this case can be called noobs luck on my part. But anyway. I felt my case was reasonable. But then everybody jumped me.
"But Mahrgell, him not answering your questions and giving you a finger, this could be part of his character and meta. This is really nothing." And Foreman grinned happily and didn't answer
"But Mahrgell, him not caring about large parts of the game and publicly celebrating this arrogant and ignorant attitude, this could be really part of his meta, dont blame him for that" and again Foreman grinned happily and continued.

Foreman then went MIA though, so the problem resolved itself. Like I had seen a comparison with Foreman earlier this game. Not sure who it was (CM8?). But really. If there is any Foreman equivalent in this game, it is HF. And people are completely willing to let this happen and it fucking annoys me.
He loses nothing as town if he drops this ans finally starts answering and caring. But it makes his scum play pretty damn easy when everyone lets it go.

And then I see people telling me "but keep HF alive for the first couple of days, lynch him later, he is a great contributor"
Seriously, I was doing this with Koshi. But I have no fucking reason to do that with HF. I simply don't see great contributions. What has he actually done this game? Like if you compare the contributions of yourself(Rels), DF, Koshi, Emp to him... Is HF really the guy who can be called a leading contributor? My answer is no.

TLDR:
##vote Holyflare

We not lynching HF today unless for some reason something happens that make us lynch someone else.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2016 00:44 GMT
#1428
Like the issue right now is that 2 people are afk that we lynching into but if we wrong one of them then look into NU's wagon for clue's on who would bus their teammate.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2016 00:54 GMT
#1433
On December 02 2016 09:48 sicklucker wrote:
Ls you should do your little meta thing on me because I want to focus on the issues. I need to get some alternative lynch going

What meta thing? The one I had a idea how I going to read in future games?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2016 00:56 GMT
#1435
On December 02 2016 09:54 mahrgell wrote:
And one last thing I would like to remind people of:

CM8 and Shlog can not be scum together. This is simply ruled out.

Unless you are saying that they both risked being mod killed for not posting the entire night after being warned for not voting, but somehow submitted a nightkill!

There is at least one active scum around.
And now if you apply this logic, this is actually making the Shlog train much weaker.
Assume you give CM8 a chance of 30% to be scum. This means Shlog has maximum 70% if there is guaranteed to be one scum between those two. And there is still the chance neither is scum.
If you now tell me SHLOG SCUM 100%... Okay. Then you have to really convince me why CM8 can't be scum.

That's a good point it means probably 1 active scum then. Forgot about that portion where nk must be submitted. Probably the last scum would be on the NU wagon. Will check stuff in a little bit.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2016 00:59 GMT
#1439
On December 02 2016 09:56 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 09:42 LightningStrike wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 02 2016 09:25 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 05:11 Rels wrote:
On December 02 2016 04:54 mahrgell wrote:
I just don't like this guy
HF - His number of posts does not really change his lack of real activity. Has been on 2 tunnels so far and openly celebrates his unwillingness to look deeper at other players or do anything besides tunneling. Oh and if I would be undecided between him and anyone else I would policy lynch him for this alone. This followup makes me actually feel very bad about him. Exchanging "i'm not being a dick and wont try to make you uncomfortable" for "don't scumread me" is quite pathetic.
Additionally him claiming himself to be toptown (have I mentioned I hate that?) without basically anything speaking for that feels almost like baiting for protection. I don't see a world where scum would lynch him.

hahaha =D
The links you posted are NAI for HF, he can be super annoying as either alignment.
The first things you're saying are the best actually. He COULD be scum playing the "I don't really care about this game" card but I don't think so anymore, because his reads flow and change logically, and more importantly, I don't have the feeling that he's hiding behind tunnels to not do anything else.


First of all. I already said, that the first link for my is ust policy lynch territory. The second one is really not. Like I have no clue how the TL mafia meta goes. But hailing players as such great mafia players, when this seems to be entirely based on them establishing such a bullshit meta and not ever being questioned y anyone else out of some weird kind of respect for it seems fucking weird.

Now to the rest: I am not disagreeing with the part that his reads were kinda fluent. Hell, his "advice" to me regarding how to improve my play was actually good. But the point is, that every semi competent player should be able to do fluent reads when he singles out only 2 or 3 people out of 13. Other players(town and scum) make weird stuff. ump on those and score your points.
Where scum really trips is when they have to deal those players who are more difficult. When they have to commit to interpretations etc. Again, you tell me this is his meta. If it is, great, then his play is not scum indicative. But it still has to be questioned.
Next you say he is not hiding behind it? Really? Are we even in the same game? I'm not in the mood to filter dive right now, but from memory I know that when he was on me, I asked several questions regarding other players, wanted reads on anyone but me, he refused, saying that he is all on me, and doesnt care about anyone els,e because at work. He later came back, and didn't bother one bit to look a bit broader.
Later on, he replaced me with you, now all he did was going after you. Again, there were several instances were he actively said that he is not willing to dive other filters and refused to answer questions. Really? He is not hiding behind this bullshit meta you are so willing to accept?

Now look at his defenses.
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
I honestly don't get how anyone can say I haven't been active either. I've made a lot of cases and good pushes.

Not sure in what world he is living, but nope. Simply nope. His entire acitivity was on a handful players. If we do not udge acitvity by post count (Onegu would also do really well in that category) but how much of the game the person covered, than HF is in deep shit territory.
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
It's also not pathetic in the slightest. I get tunneled on people that call me mafia almost exclusively and rels looks kind of the same so giving each other breathing room is the best thing to do.

Next post. Oh, wasn't he just a second ago so certain how great his play was? Suddenly he is getting tunneled on players who scumread him. Sounds like absolutely great mafia play. And yes, I completely agree that sometimes giving each other breathing room is a great idea. But when someone tells you to stop this tone, then going in, escalating it further and then using this as a bargain chip to get your breathing room? Nope! And seemingly this is completely okay for everyone.

Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
On December 02 2016 08:16 darthfoley wrote:
On December 02 2016 08:15 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi kill confirms me town.

##vote Shapelog


lol how?


So many reasons. The primary one being I'm not a retard.

Okay, not much time has passed. But somehow I feel people are again gonna accept this. He did the same D1 and everybody was fine with it. Today I won't. If this is really all he has to bring, he should die.

Like until now I tried to pay respect to what people told me about the meta on TL and in forum mafia in general. But this case I really can not do that, because it reminds me of last game. You were in there.
I called out Foreman for exactly the same shit on D1. That he was scum in this case can be called noobs luck on my part. But anyway. I felt my case was reasonable. But then everybody jumped me.
"But Mahrgell, him not answering your questions and giving you a finger, this could be part of his character and meta. This is really nothing." And Foreman grinned happily and didn't answer
"But Mahrgell, him not caring about large parts of the game and publicly celebrating this arrogant and ignorant attitude, this could be really part of his meta, dont blame him for that" and again Foreman grinned happily and continued.

Foreman then went MIA though, so the problem resolved itself. Like I had seen a comparison with Foreman earlier this game. Not sure who it was (CM8?). But really. If there is any Foreman equivalent in this game, it is HF. And people are completely willing to let this happen and it fucking annoys me.
He loses nothing as town if he drops this ans finally starts answering and caring. But it makes his scum play pretty damn easy when everyone lets it go.

And then I see people telling me "but keep HF alive for the first couple of days, lynch him later, he is a great contributor"
Seriously, I was doing this with Koshi. But I have no fucking reason to do that with HF. I simply don't see great contributions. What has he actually done this game? Like if you compare the contributions of yourself(Rels), DF, Koshi, Emp to him... Is HF really the guy who can be called a leading contributor? My answer is no.

TLDR:
##vote Holyflare

We not lynching HF today unless for some reason something happens that make us lynch someone else.

Who are we? Speak for yourself. I very willing to lynch HF for what he has shown so far and if he continues doing exactly that. I don't see the much fabled benefit of keeping him around until late. Sure, if shlogs defense sucks, kill him. But until then? HF it is for me.

The majority of us obviously. HF can wait though at least until Shapelog gets lynched.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2016 01:00 GMT
#1442
On December 02 2016 09:58 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 09:56 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 02 2016 09:54 mahrgell wrote:
And one last thing I would like to remind people of:

CM8 and Shlog can not be scum together. This is simply ruled out.

Unless you are saying that they both risked being mod killed for not posting the entire night after being warned for not voting, but somehow submitted a nightkill!

There is at least one active scum around.
And now if you apply this logic, this is actually making the Shlog train much weaker.
Assume you give CM8 a chance of 30% to be scum. This means Shlog has maximum 70% if there is guaranteed to be one scum between those two. And there is still the chance neither is scum.
If you now tell me SHLOG SCUM 100%... Okay. Then you have to really convince me why CM8 can't be scum.

That's a good point it means probably 1 active scum then. Forgot about that portion where nk must be submitted. Probably the last scum would be on the NU wagon. Will check stuff in a little bit.


i donno hf had a point. the koshi nk might have been randomed ;p. This is a pretty bad reason. I could argue nk koshi would be done by desperate people like a shapelog or cm8 team or just randomed all together

The thing is Koshi was still the clear town leader it means someone active is scum and knows this and tries to disorganize us. I really doubt that it was randomized tbh.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2016 01:01 GMT
#1443
On December 02 2016 09:57 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 09:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 02 2016 09:48 sicklucker wrote:
Ls you should do your little meta thing on me because I want to focus on the issues. I need to get some alternative lynch going

What meta thing? The one I had a idea how I going to read in future games?


well thats why you have to investigate.

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Pssh. Do you actually believe what you talking about like 100%?
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