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beentheredonethat
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Day 5 Vote Count
Not voting (1) - Holyflare Currently, Holyflare is the lynch. Remember, voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread and with the correct format will be counted. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
Looks like absolutely nothing has happened? Cool. @HF: I think you should work on your messaging if you are sincere here... Maybe it would help if you would not always spin everything as you currently need it  This is pretty much at this point the difference between you and DF for me.DF has kinda weird shit in his filter... but when asked on it, he answers in ways that somehow make me believe, that it was really that: weird shit that just happens in a 2 week game. You go completely personal and ham against everyone finding the slightest argument against you... and destroy your own narrative with each turn because in your next rage you twist everything the other way around... For someone who calls out, that playing with open cards is always the correct town play, you simply cased yourself... Then again, you also went mad on DF and me, when we went after you... And then told us that DF looks very scummy, because town would never get mad when someone they suspect as scum cases them Or did you always flip between who is it between DF and me, so you could get mad at the one bringing stuff against you as he was your current townread? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
Especially after you said that I should not overthink SL's filter (when I was talking about his early filter while you now case DF based on what SL said while he was already going down. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On December 13 2016 02:30 darthfoley wrote: The problem with your reasoning is that I am town bro I've heard that before, but you forgot to mention that it was a great case. Or did you obmit that because HF already mentioned that? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
If someone states something about how I am SUPPOSED to play and I think it's completely wrong then I will absolutely tell them it's wrong. So, yes, I would absolutely have killed Ticktock, no I did not care to comment on your WoT post at the time (and, yes, it was really bad because I'm not mafia and you picked one narrative instead of seeing it from my point of view or even trying to rationalise a town point of view). I got emotional, sure, and hypocritical, sure but I'm human. I can preach about how you should play and go completely against it but nothing I have done has made the game easy for me. And, no SL did not play a suicide style like you keep talking about. I could have just simply said absolutely nothing but attack DF today and join on a wagon with Onegu and most likely you as you were changing your mind. I could have lynched Emperor and Onegu and said nothing. I've given you a reason, and a good reason, why Onegu could be town which I've emphasised repeatedly. I've called this game as I see it. Perhaps if you actually cared about winning instead of trying to gloat about how I've poe-d myself out of the game and I'm irrational, emotional, hypocritical you could read one of my mafia games where I'm cold, articulate calculated and spam walls of text implicating mafia reads. I play to win whereas here I'm just existing, I have nothing to hide. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
my not caring attitude the fact I've called myself town 10000000 times the fact I tried to get absolutely 0 credit from a definite NU lynch while pushing it and voting off the wagon the fact I said we should be lynching SL since day one if SL isn't mafia and then myself and LS/you called out SL and he claiemd JK the fact that I was the ONLY one to try and figure out SL/Rels at the start of the day while the majority of the game wanted to leave the claims alone the fact that I re-calculated SL's alignment from the night to the day after he didn't die and posted damning posts on him the fact that SL has repeatedly called me confirmed town based on the NK wifom the fact that mafia kp still went through while I was jkd 2 nights in a row the fact that I've been wrong a lot the fact I'm emotional and hypocritical and paranoid and tinfoily and unwilling to commit in lylo the fact that I haven't pushed someone as definitely mafia and yelled until that person gets lynched repeatedly the fact that at lylo I haven't even bothered to really save myself and instead told you to lynch me when my most priced possession is my mafia win record | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On December 13 2016 03:26 mahrgell wrote: I've heard that before, but you forgot to mention that it was a great case. Or did you obmit that because HF already mentioned that? I'm confused by your question. His case against me was great? His case relies on the fact the SL was put under pressure yet he seemingly forgets that I was one of the people who originally put pressure on SL. Likewise, I called SL out on his flip flop progression of me when it happened. He claimed that he was trying to move the lynch train off shapelog and I was the one who grilled him and said that was bullshit. I've called SL out on his bull all game and was actually right and now it's being used as the primary reason to scum read me. Basically being good town is why Onegu and HF want me to get lynched. I guess my alternative wagon of TT (suspicious town D1) or SL (the fucking godfather) on D1 was the perfect bus start! The case against me is quite weak and relies on WIFOM bussing play. The only "bus" we have confirmed is SL on NU D1 when there were few other options, yet now people are using it as "The Mafia Doctrine," assuming SL + last remaining mafia played the same game as SL + NU. Really lazy reasoning | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
Even in the last couple of hours you flipped between Onegu being potential scum and being certain town. You flipping back and fourth on me without doing anything isn't looking much better. Everything centered on DF... Still you "keep your options open" and don't even vote the only guy you are focussing on. Oh, and I don't believe that town playing a fully open cards game at lylo is correct. At least thats certainly not how I play my RL lylos as town. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
 I obv suck at jokes. :/ | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
the fact that Koshi died when I'm the most careful mafia player there is and EVEN if I claimed blue, which I ALWAYS do, then still wouldn't ever kp koshi with a jk in the game since it's a ridiculous risk to take: proof: + Show Spoiler + Nah, people say it's my meta so I like to mix it up by hard defending my team mates sometimes too and that always throws people  Mafia night kills go in a few directions but usually it's: 1) Shoot the most productive 2) Shoot the people that scum read team mates 3) Role hunt It shuffles a bit depending on the stage of the game and the paranoia/skill of the team but it's usually some variant of the above. If Mahrgell was obvious town and very productive and there's a chance for the medic in the game it is highly likely that the mafia team shot a person that was on to them since fear of medics is usually high on a mafia team. It's somewhat wifom but it's a good thing to use night kill analysis a tad in your reads and always keep it in the background as a kind of pseudo scum hunting technique. Not once have the nk's gone like that. Then, you have to absolutely ask yourself the question: why the fuck on this God given planet would I ever shoot LS? If you answer is "LS said he'd definitely lynch SL duh!" then you have to then ask yourself the question, WHY did I instead then push SL instead of letting the claims lie and nothing happen????? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On December 13 2016 03:35 Holyflare wrote: Things that make me town: my not caring attitude the fact I've called myself town 10000000 times the fact I tried to get absolutely 0 credit from a definite NU lynch while pushing it and voting off the wagon the fact I said we should be lynching SL since day one if SL isn't mafia and then myself and LS/you called out SL and he claiemd JK the fact that I was the ONLY one to try and figure out SL/Rels at the start of the day while the majority of the game wanted to leave the claims alone the fact that I re-calculated SL's alignment from the night to the day after he didn't die and posted damning posts on him the fact that SL has repeatedly called me confirmed town based on the NK wifom the fact that mafia kp still went through while I was jkd 2 nights in a row the fact that I've been wrong a lot the fact I'm emotional and hypocritical and paranoid and tinfoily and unwilling to commit in lylo the fact that I haven't pushed someone as definitely mafia and yelled until that person gets lynched repeatedly the fact that at lylo I haven't even bothered to really save myself and instead told you to lynch me when my most priced possession is my mafia win record The problem is, some of these are compelling reasons to look elsewhere (which I've done on Onegu) and which is why I want you to properly look through Mahrgell like you've done to me. However, I know I'm town, so if the vote is between me or someone else (like you) I literally have to vote on it or town loses. I'm in a predicament and open to options but you're also wrong about me. I'm least likely to vote Mahr right now but if you think there's a case, I'd like to hear it. I really don't want to lose this game after we lynched a mafia D1 | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On December 13 2016 03:36 mahrgell wrote: Then where is your effort in solving the game? Even in the last couple of hours you flipped between Onegu being potential scum and being certain town. You flipping back and fourth on me without doing anything isn't looking much better. Everything centered on DF... Still you "keep your options open" and don't even vote the only guy you are focussing on. Oh, and I don't believe that town playing a fully open cards game at lylo is correct. At least thats certainly not how I play my RL lylos as town. Where have I flipped back and forth at all? If flipping back and forth involves a one line post that's just me thinking out loud and is irrelevant. I don't like to hide anything back. I was quite quick to rethink it and say that Onegu was likely townier than DF. I also cannot access teamliquid at work so I have to do a workaround where only liquidhearthstone works because that is the only site that I can somehow bypass and even then it is specifically this thread and not the main site. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On December 13 2016 03:37 mahrgell wrote: @DF it was a NU joke I obv suck at jokes. :/ Oh idk how I missed that hahah | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On December 13 2016 03:41 darthfoley wrote: The problem is, some of these are compelling reasons to look elsewhere (which I've done on Onegu) and which is why I want you to properly look through Mahrgell like you've done to me. However, I know I'm town, so if the vote is between me or someone else (like you) I literally have to vote on it or town loses. I'm in a predicament and open to options but you're also wrong about me. I'm least likely to vote Mahr right now but if you think there's a case, I'd like to hear it. I really don't want to lose this game after we lynched a mafia D1 Honestly dude, I'm well up for looking into Mahr just for the slip thing, the fact that he's pretty much gone for me all game, the fact that he's doing all this crap at lylo about "Hiding" all his cards??? It's end game what would be the point of hiding. I'm willing to reconsider, sure, but I've only really just got home so I'll have a look. What makes you think it would be Mahrgell? Also assuming I'm town, would you be ruling out Onegu because of what I said or sticking to your narrative? | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On December 13 2016 03:42 Holyflare wrote: Where have I flipped back and forth at all? If flipping back and forth involves a one line post that's just me thinking out loud and is irrelevant. I don't like to hide anything back. I was quite quick to rethink it and say that Onegu was likely townier than DF. I also cannot access teamliquid at work so I have to do a workaround where only liquidhearthstone works because that is the only site that I can somehow bypass and even then it is specifically this thread and not the main site. If someone else asks me to point out where you flipped between your judgement on Onegu and myself, I might even answer that Somehow I feel though everyone else sees it, and I guess I won't convince you to vote yourself...Anyway... feel free to present me how your great analysis on how you can't be scum not aligns with your idea of "How DF can be scum" or is it Onegu again? I feel like half your arguments apply to the one or other still alive here too... You want me to do a similar list? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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