@HF
Well.... as you clearly wanna talk about it:
Why on earth is your N4 so different from your previous play?

- did you really believe Onegu would simply lock in his vote on you, regardless what happens? Why get him off now?

- this would have been a great bait.... And I indeed believe Onegu can be reasoned with when it is an obvious 2v2 votes with the second guy on you looking scummy as fuck only capitalizing on Onegus stubborness.

- or similarly a 3v1 on Onegu could have been done...

- suddenly you are the waffle master, defending yourself with "yeah, my reads change all the time". Where is your confidence?

- How did you manage to trash all your own "this is why im clearly locktown" points over the course of two pages? Why should anyone take your obsession with confirming yourself as locktown serious at all, when you obviously show that you adjust those arguments as you need them every time a discussion pops up?

- Given your publicly shown despise on "appeal to emotion" how did you suddenly start using it on DF as well as Onegu?

- Why is a player with your posting/playing style suddenly flipping so hard on those DF attacks? Especially considering our D1-D2 history...

- Why you call for me telling you where I am... without contributing anything yourself?

- Why you suddenly play stupid where my questions are supposed to lead... And throw away any conclusion before it is even out. Especially given that your answer and comparing it to Onegus answer is quite telling...

Hint:
Where those questions were going: Would SL, a forumvet, really decide to play this throwaway style d1/n1 which has 0 chance to ever get him to lylo or even win a lylo, when he is in a team with NU (on his first scumgame, completely overwhelmed and thrown away d1 anyway) and a low profile player like DF on goon (and you certainly cant plan around getting a N1 cop kill)?
I originally only thought about if his later play made sense in a team with DF and it absolutely did, as DF looked towny af and cop was gone... But the thing is that LS was throwing himself away right from the start of the game. This posting style does not survive. So unless he didn't care at all about the result... there must be someone he trusted to profit from his obvious role as confusion causer. And I don't believe this to be DF. But yes... this makes sense for both Onegu and HF....

- Why do you suddenly ask where TT is? Didn't you absolutely hate him, as he was only tunneling on you anyway? Or do you hope he can give you great reads about other players that you missed? His alignment is clear, so there is nothing to figure out about him. You have showed again and again that you do not give a flying fuck about his opinion... But suddenly you are asking for him?

- Why you suddenly play stupid on why players hold back on information? Especially when they are still asking various questions?

- Why you suddenly want to rush stuff? For someone "being not really here" you were kinda... pushing it. We have >48h to discuss this lylo... Or do you have a decision to do before?

Hint:
scum has to make some decision before... and TT is maybe the "standard NK"... but not the only option...
So knowing where he stands only profits those who are either hoping for him to deliver new points and are willing to listen to him... Or for scum deciding on who to NK.
Similarly HF trying to play stupid and get anything from me asap... Why not wait until after deadline? Or is it that yes, my questions were clearly loaded towards him? With DF publicly stating that he does not consider voting me for now... TT may really be better to have around, especially when he can be wifomed into "I would obviously never let you survive, as you were clearly tunneling onto me and are the obv nk"

-and even this seems so much out of HFs usual style and more adressed at reinforcing DFs and my doubts about him. Especially given that Onegu may not have shown much... but I'm pretty sure he is not just sitting there policy lynching but has some plan...

- so yes... I may have cleared HF all the time for this N2 thing... But pretty much everything else went against him from beginning to end especially from a gut point... Yes, his play N3/D4 fitted the town!HF i had in mind... but I discarded it for Scum!HF, as I thought the game was railroadish... But I clearly underestimated how many changes this game gets over the time... And for a Scum!HF suddenly those actions make sense, trying to seal it...

Running out of time, this has to do. If I stay around, I can detail.
Anyway... vote HF!

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12973 Posts

December 10 2016 21:30 GMT

#2945

Resolution period has started. Please do not speak until Daypost.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12973 Posts

December 10 2016 22:00 GMT

#2946

Day 5

TicTock the VT dropped the milk.

It is now Day 5! You have until Monday, Dec 12 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to vote.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

December 10 2016 22:00 GMT

#2947

It's fine, just vote me off. I don't want to play anymore.

mahrgell

Germany3943 Posts

December 10 2016 22:01 GMT

#2948

I will take your word, if you say that... I'm not into that wifom shit...

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

December 10 2016 22:06 GMT

#2949

I literally do not care. I'm not up for defending against pointless narratives and policy votes, I have better things to do with my life.

mahrgell

Germany3943 Posts

December 10 2016 22:08 GMT

#2950

But in any case...
Now that we reached the final day, is there a reason to hold back, Onegu? Or are you ready to drop the read bombs finally?

You probably wont convince me that I'm scum... but between HF and DF... Who is it?

Also do you agree with my judgement on SL? Or would he completely able to do this LEROY style even when he does not trust his mates? My feeling with the selfcentered vets on TL is, that they always want to grab the game for themselves... Never follow, always lead, everything being centered around them... I simply can't imagine a SL getting GF(insanely powerful in this setup) and then pull this shit without someone else they respect to carry through...
And respect the typical TLvet seems to only have for other TLvets...

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

December 10 2016 22:09 GMT

#2951

Also, just for the record, onegu would absolutely policy vote me and afk as both alignments and sl's "throwaway" style is bull shit for survival because like I said he does what he wants as any alignment and doesn't care about his team but rather himself.

Maybe read other games before making random sweeping comments next time.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

December 10 2016 22:11 GMT

#2952

It's also pretty bull shit that I tell you I can't play this weekend and you make a post just before deadline when I'm clearly around previously. That's why I'm asking you to post conclusions earlier because you're seemingly ignoring my reoccurring inactivity statements.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

December 10 2016 22:12 GMT

#2953

Onegu does not have a play, he legitimately wants to afk policy vote, he's a shitter.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

December 10 2016 22:15 GMT

#2954

Furthermore there is no vet respect, if someone makes a compelling case then we vote whoever. The only reason you encounter problems lynching me is because when it happens it's just on feelings rather than cases and people don't follow feelings.

mahrgell

Germany3943 Posts

December 10 2016 22:15 GMT

#2955

Well... it is up to you to help then