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NocturneMage
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someone bring back LoL mafia /troll /replace on a serious note I'm not sure I want to know how cancer heroes like silencer/pl will play out. onegu/hts, you actually want to keep people around this community right?  could you imagine a silencer pulling global ultimate and roleblocking the entire game? lame. | ||
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On October 06 2016 07:23 NeverUnlucky wrote: Off-Topic: Try to stay on-topic while playing  How enforced is this rule? :3 iirc you have to be going on about sc2 for like 2 pages or something....like it has to be pretty bad. also you can get warned for spam if you post excessively in a short amount of time. tried to shit up the thread once as mafia and cohost scumformation was none too pleased with me. think I posed 8-9 posts in like 2 minutes or something. tbf it was a bit much. edit: he will always be scumformation to me | ||
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mods need to make sure I replace into a caster slot on a serious note, acrofales, I asked hts the same question re xp, and she deferred, hosts are probably fine tuning that but that's my guess. | ||
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would have lynched fidei last game I had with him...except we were both mafia xD edit: fuck of course she's cohosting....somewhere out there, there's a wild fidei lurking... | ||
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also I'm town here, only on page 20, but I will do the best I can with reads. also I have a tiny bit of knowledge on dota, mainly prefer league though. the champion I have I have never played, but she is dire, IDK if that helps anyone. skimmed through eod, I felt like koshi pulled some palmar-esque bullshit the way that was done in star wars, just said whatever to stay alive, but lemme read through filters completely before I also make full judgement. also from eod alone beentheredonethat seemingly wants to lynch koshi full out and then gives a wifomy reason at best and reading from 83 onwards the sequence makes no sense. that was just weird to me. in any case let me read from the beginning to get a full picture and I'll get some scum reads as soon as possible. | ||
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lost 5hp here for whatever it is worth. | ||
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typically read the thread in order here first so.... | ||
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On October 22 2016 07:30 Koshi wrote: Took 12 damage. Hi NM. I am town this game. you were the counterwagon, the leading counterwagon. we know tictock flipped town. if you are town, tell me who the mafia are, on your wagon and why. | ||
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On October 22 2016 07:36 Koshi wrote: I would be surprised there are multiple mafia on me. I look like shit so mafia is happy to leave me alive. seriously? first you didn't name anyone on your wagon (or explain an alternative) second your latter explanation is just the opposite I would expect. I didn't even read the thread save for the final comments on possibly shennanies on you and if you looked like shit, mafia would have been happy to get an "easy" (clean) mislynch on you. if you are town, you'd be in the best position to tell whom on either/both wagons didn't give a shit about the lynch or was making opportunistic arguments on you, which is what happens when the top two wagons are both town. honestly would think you are the calibre of player to be able to do this. underwhelming. | ||
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at all. someone want to point to me either the case on him or a tldr why the wagon formed on him that it did? also notice that beenthere and tubesock switched between the two wagons, just an interesting fact... page 26, got distracted by a few filters, unfortunately am a fairly slow reader. | ||
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On October 22 2016 08:29 sicklucker wrote: Koshi was pissing people off and didnt really care about the game. Kind of somewhat standard koshi but he rolled mafia 3 or so games inarow so I would have expected him to try as town in a fun game like this. this is also how he was when I played against him in star wars minus the pissing people off part, but I haven't played against him in awhile, still good to know. | ||
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hopeless him defending or not defending himself at end of cycle doesn't make him any more or less town unless you want to demonstrate meta. some townies/mafia give up, some will defend themselves under lynch with fire pressure. so far early reading I'm getting good vibes so far from ritoky (questioning suspicious townreads), acrofales, wave of shade is also okay-ish beenthere's early thoughts on koshi look okay to me, but his sicklucker scumread (will look for context) looks disjointed - no explanation and I don't understand the IAMP scumread either, guess I'll double check those interactions to see if I missed anything. koshi does look underwhelming early on though. skynx is also disjointed, and more specifically looking at his filter I don't like how he doesn't appear to follow up on his tubesock and bill murray reads when in his big list post he's showing he's the most stuck on them. generally lack of follow-through is mafia indicative. | ||
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On one hand he's calling holyflare mafia with no explanation other than opportunism but then we have luna/hf both pushing each other. same time though, lunaticman points out this discrepancy though.... On October 21 2016 05:05 Lunaticman wrote: I think it is very shallow as expected day one. It felt like he just wanted to assign blame to someone. Throwing the first rock if you will. I like your idea of building a town circle, that is always the most important thing the first two days. I'm also sad to see you say you will never play again maybe your just not in the mood. Also I'm off to bed nn. On October 21 2016 22:55 Lunaticman wrote: HAHA :D this made me laugh thank you. You don't want to engage me directly but now I won't let you slip between the cracks so you just try to shade me while voting someone else entirely. And you don't even post any reasons. It is intresting people are town reading BT and scum reading me although we both have the exact same read on Koshi. This smells like mafia trying to save mafia. and that double standard gives me pause, atm stuck on whether he's trying to skate by or whether he's someone who speaks in simpler sentences (if that makes any sense, basically someone who makes instinct reads...) but will need to revisit him after flips or more content. | ||
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On October 22 2016 09:24 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm referring explicitly to his actions at the deadline. Hell, even showing up in the first place after watching his movie was ballsy ass hell. I'm genuinely surprised less people jumped on him, which leads me to believe that the options are: A) Koshi is scum B) scum stayed on TT or C) scum is afk/throwing away votes on outliers/replaced I'm inclined to believe B&C at this moment, but I wouldnt be upset if koshi flipped. However, I have no intention of helping to flip him. can you explain in your own words why you think Koshi is town? from skimming your filter, it seems like your defence of him boils down to how others are pushing him (your parallel to holyflare), and I'm not seeing a coherent argument that people are pushing him for the wrong reasons. in short, how are you distinguishing bad town from mafia with koshi? ignore everyone else for a second. | ||
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On October 22 2016 09:36 Hopeless1der wrote: I want acro shot for being afk at/leading up to deadline but being here just after night post. I thought he was pretty towny early on? I mean it's like Friday night and that alone gives a good reason to afk? I mean I get what you are saying but I think you need a stronger argument than being afk. unless you are implying what he said after the deadline was scummy and not so much his activity. you have a meta read on him I'm not aware of? | ||
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On October 22 2016 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote: I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match. okay I can buy this argument to an extent, I need to see how holyflare was pushing others though to be a bit more sure of him. personally I did like at end of cycle how holyflare was questioning beenthere's wavering of why he wasn't voting koshi when the latter was calling for koshi's head all cycle though. as far as the non voting goes, I don't ever believe a holyflare wagon got traction and if I recall the voting thread right, luna had a small wagon but not really taking off. I can see town wanting to compromise and consolidate, so I'm not ruling that out either. | ||
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I'm not sure what arguments people were making on him regarding activity but I don't do meta on people that I've never played with before. I've never played with vivax before. granted from reading his filter so far if I had to just come up with scummy points on my own on him 1 no followup on his acrofales mafia read 2 no followup on his kurumi mafia read either 3 he scumreads ticktock for something that doesn't necessarily make him mafia (or at least not from how the argument was worded) 4 his post towards end of cycle was also indicative of him lurking at least when you read for context. 5 soft defence of lunaticman for no reason when others were doubting, luna's early game was also really meh. like I don't know where vivax could have gotten a "how is luna not town" from what was going on. that isn't believable. | ||
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On October 22 2016 09:48 Hopeless1der wrote: If I'm distracting you from catch up, ignore me. Its more important you get a full sense of the game than respond to me right now. eh, worlds is more of a problem than you right now. damn me. :/ | ||
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On October 22 2016 09:54 NocturneMage wrote: I'm not sure what arguments people were making on him regarding activity but I don't do meta on people that I've never played with before. just realised what I wrote doesn't really make sense ebwop - I'm not sure what other arguments besides meta people were making on him regarding activity, but I don't do meta on people that I've never played with before. | ||
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On October 22 2016 21:41 iamperfection wrote: Also guys the next lynch is vivax it's a no doubter 100% catching up from the high 40s plus several isolated filters. I'm fine with lynching vivax, but at this stage, I think koshi is mafia, and I think we have an added advantage of getting more information from a koshi lynch. koshi was the counterwagon too so voting analysis will sort out a lot of things with a koshi red flip. looking at koshi filter in isolation he does nothing with his kurumi and ritoky scum reads, and then final pages his voting progression is all over the place. if koshi somehow flips green, my next focus will be beentheredonethat and tubesock, both of whom switched between both wagons, should also probably take a look at people who were solo votes as well. | ||
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someone please read that filter and tell me it's NOT a steaming pile of shit, because it is. | ||
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On October 22 2016 09:26 NocturneMage wrote: skynx is also disjointed, and more specifically looking at his filter I don't like how he doesn't appear to follow up on his tubesock and bill murray reads when in his big list post he's showing he's the most stuck on them. generally lack of follow-through is mafia indicative. | ||
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observed that onegu 2 game where he did jack shit as town, he's making reads, but there's no follow through from him on queries on wave of shade and ritoky. I think glowingbear is a worthy investigative check. | ||
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he has some good thoughts around page 50, but the trolling to content ratio is just way too high and it becomes even more obvious when you isolate his filter. | ||
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On October 22 2016 22:29 iamperfection wrote: The goal is to get scum. Vivax is scum we kill him. I don't disagree, I am also scumreading vivax. but do you think koshi is town? if so why? if you think both are scum, what additional advantage/information are you giving town with a vivax lynch? because I don't remember anyone defending him. | ||
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On October 22 2016 22:36 iamperfection wrote: Because there is no doubt in my mind vivax is scum. Why are you against lynching scum? Lynching for information is stupid. Koshi is all over the place it's possible he is scum but my gut tells me no. the other option of course would be investigatives to check (or with a vigilante) take out Koshi and then vote down vivax. I'm not eliminating that. if you are thinking I'm against lynching vivax you clearly haven't read my filter. but even ignoring the votes, koshi is clearly mafia. if you're using some meta (that he's not playing out of town range) to gut defend him that's great, but clearly looking at how he's interacting with people even those not scumreading him, it's not giving me town vibes. like I'm trying to consider a world where a town koshi can go on tilt and just not give a fuck and I'm still not seeing town koshi either. anyways, moving on... | ||
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the little time I spent playing dota I generally stuck to casters, but I got annoyed with dota real quick. back to league I went. anyhow, back on topic... | ||
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I'm looking at my role pm. if I have a passive....I think it's safe to say a decent number might with all the dota champions out there. so people need to also look for a view where they are missing passives, and not that the person is necessarily lying. at least that's the impression I am getting from skimming all the movement/hp posts. just saying. now moving on... | ||
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On October 22 2016 23:58 GlowingBear wrote: Btw perfection seems townie to me GB when you can, mind giving us your top three scum reads? I don't have an idea where your head is at the moment. | ||
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On October 23 2016 00:27 Koshi wrote: I dont't trust NM. Going to call him scum. On October 23 2016 00:30 Koshi wrote: Like Skynx or Lunatic. So I'm scumreading vivacious and skybox and 50/50 on lunatic and you're calling me scum because you don't trust me. That's about as contrived as it gets. | ||
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Vivax and Skynx Anyhow that read is contrived. | ||
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On October 23 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: Vigshots should go on Vivax/Sicklucker. Prots on btdt+ptmc. On October 23 2016 03:05 Skynx wrote: Yeah I disagree entirely. First of all I'm not sure why you all 100% sr Vivax, he's nothing more than a policy lynch, being inactive on purpose like 5-6 others I listed. He is an excellent vig target as D2 lynching him wouldn't be different that D1 where everyone is agreeing on the lynch because Vivax is bad and doesn't do shit but then switch to someone else cuz they are unsure. btdt and ptmc are like only top townies, not really up for discussion one of them is dead 100%. as pointed out by others these are all really bad posts by skynx along with the reads he threw out when he re-entered. not that that changes my read on him but still. the more he posts, the more I like tubesock as town as well. especially in the exchange with skynx. also on the topic of hopeless, I think he's wrong on Koshi and given his reads on others, he sounds towny, absent the modconfirm issue. and even in that, his train of thought made sense. lord tolkien had one post in his entire filter as to why he didn't like wave of shadow related to the voting. post was towny but rest of filter was not...ugh. | ||
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On October 23 2016 05:37 beentheredonethat wrote: Exactly that part, the "being extreme". Also it's useless to put pressure on Artanis given we have Koshi and Vivax as the go-to D2 wagons. HF was all about "yeah Koshi is bad" so why suddenly get a hard-on about Artanis? actually I disagree. I haven't looked hard at artanis yet myself, but I'm running on the assumption there are five, maybe six mafia players. there's no reason why people shouldn't try getting reactions and alignment reads or scumreads on people other than koshi and vivax. also caught up isolating filters. ignoring artanis who replaced in, somewhere in the pool of exo, bm, lord tolkien, kurumi and glowingbear, I'm willing to bet there's one mafia in there. they are all laying pretty damned low. On October 23 2016 02:44 GlowingBear wrote: I don't have scum reads. I've barely read the thread tbh. From times to times I come to the thread and try to get impressions from posts. I am a bit suspicious of Ritoky because Ritoky knows how my mind as mafia works and this is definitely not how I play as Mafia. But I don't have stronger grounds on him. Nothing really stands out as scummy from his posts. His gifs gave me a bad impression in the beginning of the game, but that is very weak to form a scumread on someone. In the other hand, Holyflare had the same impression as me, so a mindmeld occurred. That made me think Holyflare is town. I saw a genuine post from a guy that I forgot his username. I even quoted it. And now I think iamperfection comes from a very townie POV. So there's that. though gb admits he's not really reading and I can see gb pulling as town not playing like he didn't in the onegu game I observed, but that doesn't really make him town, just not out of his range. | ||
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On October 23 2016 05:43 beentheredonethat wrote: So basically, ritoky/NM/HF are trying to tell me I'm wrong on what I say about HF? won't speak for the others but I think you are reading/thinking too much into it for his alignment. | ||
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exo bm (???) tolkien hamazura kurumi glowingbear one mafia in there. can't put my finger on it atm. saving for later I think... | ||
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On October 23 2016 02:18 Acrofales wrote: If you are looking for a target to shoot at tonight, I highly recommend, in order of importance: Vivax. Kill with fire Koshi. Disruptive scummy dirtbag. Skynx. 100% trash filter, and seriously flying under the radar. H1der. Scum until I say otherwise. LT. Lurker. GB. Lurker. HF. Haven't figured out the TT train yet, and while the case seems sincere (if just plain wrong), there is something off about him. Artanis. Lurker. That should do it for now. Agree very much with this post, save the hopeless/hf reads. end of day play? don't think I'm seeing scum in holyflare. vivax/koshi/skynx absolutely would also be my top three scumreads atm, and maybe with a side of luna, plus one of the people in my forgettable list. there's a few others I'm seeing mixed town and scum signals, so hopefully day 2 can give some clarity. koshi would be my preferred lynch for day 2 but I would not oppose lynching the other two either. | ||
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ride or die. | ||
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ggs. | ||
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although fuck whoever's decision it was to remove me night 1, only 24h in.... | ||
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On November 06 2016 06:58 Holyflare wrote: because the game isn't solvable by team composition mechanics and shouldn't be this. as one of the few/only non-dota players here, it was why I even said I was deliberately ignoring mechanics. was always sure that pure mechanics discussion is a great way for scum to distract from their issues. but the real question is.....which one of you moderators came up with that balanar no lynch bullshit? I probably would have been pulling a wos and raging too tbh but hey I know shit all about balance. it's just so cruel. otherwise I agree with btdt - this game was mostly well done for the complexity of the roles. as for artanis' role...idk what to make of it. it strikes me as a late-game role twist on an SK - he attacks both town and mafia, since it seems people have to claim for it to be effective for him? but when I started playing on tl, people seem to be very claim happy. idk. I've have just kept it simple. get two town and two mafia lynched/killed or some shit. mini-sk like. maybe that'd have been too easy? also I heard onegu had rl issues and couldn't host anymore or something random - hope you are getting better soon mate. | ||
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On November 07 2016 20:13 Acrofales wrote: He'd still have to last hit... you still have to last hit in league. she's referring to how much I abuse casters in league yet avoid in dota. to me they are infinitely harder to play in dota compared to league to the extent I'd prefer right clickers in dota. at least that's what she's trying to say. like yeah I know there's shit like euls and other mana regen items....but I'll admit sometimes I just don't wanna think too hard about those things. | ||
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On November 21 2016 07:16 Shapelog wrote: I was just the PR guy.... Fun fact: sky thought she would get so much hatemail from the no lynch, that I offer for the sentence "Please direct all Hatemail to Shapelog." in the night 2 post. She didn't take me up on my offer sadly :/ Even NM didn't want to send me hatemail. rofl called it. hts loves playing balanar in dota, balanar is one of her favourite heroes. I can easily see her equip the damn hero with a no-lynch abilty because she is just so evil. seriously though with the no lynch going down I did ask her outright that if she was the one who created the hero what was she thinking, why did she think the no lynch was a good idea, other than it's been done in themed games before? I wasn't going to criticise her especially not knowing the full extent of town abilities and never having designed themed games. it wouldn't be right of me to do that. but it seems like scum abilities topped out first and then before town abilities did. | ||
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she probably designed a good number of the supports I'd guess. scumformation, remind me again what heroes you play in dota? on topic, well I'll keep my eye out for the themed mini. and as stated before, I hope your surgery goes smooth. we are all behind you on that one. | ||
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On November 21 2016 18:19 Onegu wrote: You know quite a bit about dota for a LoL fanboy. And thanks yes. two reasons - played some original dota way back in the day and legitimately tried to give dota 2 a chance before I said fuck it. enjoyed league way more. | ||
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On November 21 2016 22:18 disformation wrote: I think both games have some pros and cons going on. big con both of them have is that they are mobas though. xD oh? are you an sc2 purist scumformation? | ||
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