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On October 26 2016 23:17 ptmc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 23:14 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 18:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 26 2016 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
anyway afk until vivax' flip This is scummy how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote:On October 26 2016 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 26 2016 11:32 ritoky wrote:
also if iamp is mafia, it is because he takes more than he gives. dunno if he is though. So are you voting alongside us/helping us for now so the game continues? I assume you just leave the game if you just get to where you want? Is there anything that you're not telling us that can affect us in any particular way? Like can you recruit as some people were suggesting? i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective. i have a move + attack each day phase. that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side. Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia. I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e. wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia. On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote:
WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman
Probs mafia team so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me. On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote:
I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day have you tried KISSing yet I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues:
There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
Why would town use no lynch that day?
There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so.
What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
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On October 26 2016 23:19 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 23:14 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 18:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 26 2016 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
anyway afk until vivax' flip This is scummy how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote:On October 26 2016 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 26 2016 11:32 ritoky wrote:
also if iamp is mafia, it is because he takes more than he gives. dunno if he is though. So are you voting alongside us/helping us for now so the game continues? I assume you just leave the game if you just get to where you want? Is there anything that you're not telling us that can affect us in any particular way? Like can you recruit as some people were suggesting? i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective. i have a move + attack each day phase. that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side. Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia. I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e. wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia. On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote:
WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman
Probs mafia team so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me. On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote:
I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day have you tried KISSing yet I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax What how can you possibly think vivax isn't scum. He posted a seal.
I didn't see it
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I ask all of you willingness to interact with me. I have 5 pages of filter, it's not that much to read, and if you keep ignoring me/tunneled on me and not willing to reconsider your positions I'll just peace out and let you lose to goddammn obv Mafia
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On October 26 2016 23:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 23:15 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 23:08 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 25 2016 02:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh and I'm okay with WoS, might be town
I dislike hopeless, would lynch in a pinch
And I dislike sicklucker but I always think he is mafia You didn't have a problem with me here even though HF was suspicious of me longer before this Like....you are literally calling me scum now right after you called me TOWN after posting this: On October 24 2016 22:11 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2016 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok so hamazura has done legit fucking nothing.
I think due to weird 'newbie-to-the-site' statements and questions he's more likely to be town but he got just be one of those tricksy little hobbitses who knows to make himself look like that.
Hard to say for sure. I'd say pick him off at night or with KP but again, there are better targets I think.
Overall town really needs to step it up I think or we just lose to ourselves. Of all the people consistently under suspicion:
LT
GB
Hamazura
Exo
SL
Tubesock
Lunatic
and so on and so forth
If you are town,if you do not want to lose, pick up the slack and prove to us you're town. Wave, there's a huge problem in people's suspucions on me: their suspicions are based on me being useless. It is right that effort is a town trait, but lack of effort isn't, per se, a scum trait. You're basically calling scum every lurker. oh GB poor, poor GB. I can call you town and change my mind, it's the nature of people who doesn't have perfect information But having different opinions based on the same data is kinda weird, no? It's not different opinions on the same data? The reasons I found WoS town and WoS scummy are unrelated. If HF found WoS was scummy for rreasons that I found WoS was town, it doesn't matter, because the relevant information I've brought was that two dead townies thought WoS was scum. Period. WoS can't even answer me directly. You're all assuming he has a check on me when it is impossible that he has. And he isn't even hard claiming because he knows he doesn't have a check. It's ridiculous and so obvious he has been dodging all the legit suspicions I have on him. By the way I forgot to add hopeless to that list of Mafia team. So what you're saying is, now because HF is dead, I'm scum? k.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING
STOP FAKING YOU'RE STUPID ENOUGH TO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, I KNOW YOU AREN'T
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On October 26 2016 23:29 ptmc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 23:17 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 23:14 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 18:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 26 2016 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
anyway afk until vivax' flip This is scummy how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote:On October 26 2016 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 26 2016 11:32 ritoky wrote:
also if iamp is mafia, it is because he takes more than he gives. dunno if he is though. So are you voting alongside us/helping us for now so the game continues? I assume you just leave the game if you just get to where you want? Is there anything that you're not telling us that can affect us in any particular way? Like can you recruit as some people were suggesting? i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective. i have a move + attack each day phase. that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side. Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia. I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e. wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia. On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote:
WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman
Probs mafia team so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me. On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote:
I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day have you tried KISSing yet I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues:
There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax? Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so. There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
Do you think that's an ability that can refresh? That would be pretty OP
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On October 26 2016 23:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
hey his reasoning on me is 'he said he'd go afk, didn't, but btnd said so so i'll just stick with it'
I tbink you're just hanging here without really having motivstion to discover people's alignment. That AFK was just a trigger that changed you from suspiciois to scummy
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On October 26 2016 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
No what I thought you were saying was before when you called me town for something earlier in the game, nothing actually changed, and now you're calling me scum for it.
Then you just explained it as being because some townies are dead who called me scum, when those townies (HF specifically) called me scum much earlier in the game when you still thought I was town.
Nothing has changed except for the fact that HF is dead now.
Care to explain it better then?
Two townies that suspected you being dead by Mafia reinforces my scum read on you. It's not the basis of it.
My opinion on why you're scun is that you're soft claimibg a check on me when it's impossible, and because you're tunneled on me since day1 without a clear reason for why I would be Mafia, and avoiding answering the questions I direct to you.
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On October 26 2016 23:33 ptmc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 23:30 GlowingBear wrote:
I ask all of you willingness to interact with me. I have 5 pages of filter, it's not that much to read, and if you keep ignoring me/tunneled on me and not willing to reconsider your positions I'll just peace out and let you lose to goddammn obv Mafia I have read your filter and have found nothing helpful for town in it. If you are scum or town doesn't even matter to me at that point, since even as town you apparently are not willing to help town win. And i don't want a harder check claim than this (you even quoted it): Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 11:41 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
##vote: Vivax
My list as of last night still stands, except without the giant bold red letters on sicklucker.
Assuming most (if not all) of the town believes I am town as well, why exactly did so many people still shoot into LT tonight? I suppose I can't blame you guys entirely, but Tubesock you especially (assuming you did the brunt of the damage) wasting a massive KP for town on him when I didn't list him as scum----especially when you've had me hard town forever? Bleh.
Anyway, THIS LIST, in case people have ignored it so far:
Vivax
Glowingbear
Lunatic
Kurumi
Exo
Hamazura (???)
Artanis
sicklucker
Koshi
They all need to die. In something like this order, preferably. (I added Exo)
Glowingbear is scum.
I have confirmed this, and no, you don't need to know how.
Why am I claiming this now when Vivax is already up?
In case other people have some daytime stuff we can do to remove him. I'd give Koshi a chance here to do his thing today, but the reason he is on the list, is as I stated last night, it is nearly impossible to tell if he performed the no lynch action himself or if it was instigated by scum. If he is able to do it again today, we'll obviously know but until he proves himself town somehow (since a secret vote-damage-killing ability is not even remotely solely pro-town like he says) he needs to be on the block. As I believe he is likely at low life, this shouldn't be difficult.
There are probably one or two people I'm missing and maybe someone who's wrong on there. The lurk makes things fairly difficult, but I don't believe I am massively wrong. The people who are under some amount of suspicion like Ritoky (who I have zero reason not to believe his claim), Skynx, Tubesock and Bill Murray I am fine with.
As far as sicklucker---ugh. What I said about him last night is basically true. He's in Koshi tier right now because I can't be absolutely certain he isn't being the ballsiest scum ever---I could swear he has flat out claimed or made massive fakeclaims as scum before and had it work out for him. I don't know why I think this either but I'm not going to do the legwork involved. If somebody else wants to they're more than welcome. In any case, probabyl low priority right now but eventually he may have to be removed.
Iamp you're in HF tier for me right now---that is I'm a little paranoid. You're universally townread I believe and since you can't be 3P anymore (probably) the fact that you're still alive and mostly unscathed is concerning, but not to such a degree that I;m willing to even remotely focus on you above anyone else I've listed. Just some thoughts for the future (and I say HF tier because I'm sure you could be thinking the same about me if you're town---this is how HF and I play every game together. Neither of us ever truly trust the other.)
I can't be certain if protection was used on me last night (well I can, but you guys don't need to know how I'd know that either) but I didn't take any damage. Don't claim if you helped me out.
Random thoughts:
Scum KP likely works (I hope) similarly to how I did it in LoL mafia. There is likely some large amount of factional KP (whether this has to be delivered is a hosting choice I guess, and only somewhat relevant right now), and hopefully this can be reduced once we finally start picking them off. I would say if they can somehow prevent Vivax from dying AGAIN today we're probably super fucked because it seems as though they decided to chunk a few people last night instead of outright killing any one person just in case of protection. As such, use protection accordingly.
I should be able to do a bunch more going forward assuming I'm not silenced again or somebody does something real derpy.
I know this was kinda disjointed but I wanted to get some thoughts out while they were somewhat fresh.
There might be more. When I flip green you know who to lynch Your last sentence is however correct. It's kinda sad that you help town the most when you have died.
Then I won't waste more of my time. If you think there's nothing informational in my filter, then I'm over with this game.
Kill me and keep losing.
Bye bye
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My most recent list of scum reads
WoS
Hopeless
Lunatic
Dandelion
Skynx
GG
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On October 26 2016 23:39 ptmc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 23:36 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
No what I thought you were saying was before when you called me town for something earlier in the game, nothing actually changed, and now you're calling me scum for it.
Then you just explained it as being because some townies are dead who called me scum, when those townies (HF specifically) called me scum much earlier in the game when you still thought I was town.
Nothing has changed except for the fact that HF is dead now.
Care to explain it better then? Two townies that suspected you being dead by Mafia reinforces my scum read on you. It's not the basis of it. My opinion on why you're scun is that you're soft claimibg a check on me when it's impossible, and because you're tunneled on me since day1 without a clear reason for why I would be Mafia, and avoiding answering the questions I direct to you. So why am i not scum? because no dead townies thought i was scum? I've also had you on my scum-pile since D1.
Because there was one post that made me think you were town.
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On October 26 2016 23:39 WaveofShadow wrote:And you know, actually, now that I look at btdt's filter, he didn't have me at scum when he died. He had me at likely town. You're just conveniently looking at his posts from earlier on in the game when he found me scummy. Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 23:37 iamperfection wrote:
So has gb killed himself yet with his posts ? I mean I'm still enjoying myself watching him flail but if you mean literally (as in maybe SL did his thing to him lol?) I don't think so. Care to explain why the check is impossible GB?Also I'd be glad to answer anything you have to throw at me for funz.
Because I am town
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On October 26 2016 12:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 11:48 WaveofShadow wrote:These two posts don't really align, for the record, GB. On October 26 2016 11:41 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
##vote: Vivax
My list as of last night still stands, except without the giant bold red letters on sicklucker.
Assuming most (if not all) of the town believes I am town as well, why exactly did so many people still shoot into LT tonight? I suppose I can't blame you guys entirely, but Tubesock you especially (assuming you did the brunt of the damage) wasting a massive KP for town on him when I didn't list him as scum----especially when you've had me hard town forever? Bleh.
Anyway, THIS LIST, in case people have ignored it so far:
Vivax
Glowingbear
Lunatic
Kurumi
Exo
Hamazura (???)
Artanis
sicklucker
Koshi
They all need to die. In something like this order, preferably. (I added Exo)
Glowingbear is scum.
I have confirmed this, and no, you don't need to know how.
Why am I claiming this now when Vivax is already up?
In case other people have some daytime stuff we can do to remove him. I'd give Koshi a chance here to do his thing today, but the reason he is on the list, is as I stated last night, it is nearly impossible to tell if he performed the no lynch action himself or if it was instigated by scum. If he is able to do it again today, we'll obviously know but until he proves himself town somehow (since a secret vote-damage-killing ability is not even remotely solely pro-town like he says) he needs to be on the block. As I believe he is likely at low life, this shouldn't be difficult.
There are probably one or two people I'm missing and maybe someone who's wrong on there. The lurk makes things fairly difficult, but I don't believe I am massively wrong. The people who are under some amount of suspicion like Ritoky (who I have zero reason not to believe his claim), Skynx, Tubesock and Bill Murray I am fine with.
As far as sicklucker---ugh. What I said about him last night is basically true. He's in Koshi tier right now because I can't be absolutely certain he isn't being the ballsiest scum ever---I could swear he has flat out claimed or made massive fakeclaims as scum before and had it work out for him. I don't know why I think this either but I'm not going to do the legwork involved. If somebody else wants to they're more than welcome. In any case, probabyl low priority right now but eventually he may have to be removed.
Iamp you're in HF tier for me right now---that is I'm a little paranoid. You're universally townread I believe and since you can't be 3P anymore (probably) the fact that you're still alive and mostly unscathed is concerning, but not to such a degree that I;m willing to even remotely focus on you above anyone else I've listed. Just some thoughts for the future (and I say HF tier because I'm sure you could be thinking the same about me if you're town---this is how HF and I play every game together. Neither of us ever truly trust the other.)
I can't be certain if protection was used on me last night (well I can, but you guys don't need to know how I'd know that either) but I didn't take any damage. Don't claim if you helped me out.
Random thoughts:
Scum KP likely works (I hope) similarly to how I did it in LoL mafia. There is likely some large amount of factional KP (whether this has to be delivered is a hosting choice I guess, and only somewhat relevant right now), and hopefully this can be reduced once we finally start picking them off. I would say if they can somehow prevent Vivax from dying AGAIN today we're probably super fucked because it seems as though they decided to chunk a few people last night instead of outright killing any one person just in case of protection. As such, use protection accordingly.
I should be able to do a bunch more going forward assuming I'm not silenced again or somebody does something real derpy.
I know this was kinda disjointed but I wanted to get some thoughts out while they were somewhat fresh.
There might be more. When I flip green you know who to lynch On October 26 2016 11:45 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm really upset for being scumread for reasibs that doesn't make me Mafia
WoS, why do you scumread me? Try again. I'll tell you how they align.
You've just hinted you confirmed me as mafia by using ways related to mechanics. It means you're lying or you're bluffing, because I am town. Therefore, you must have very strong reasons for which you believe I am mafia, or you're just simply mafia, which I'm starting to believe in.
I've only seen you saying I'm useless. The problem is that (1) being useless doesn't mean I'm mafia and (2) I'm not being that useless since I'm posting reads from times to times.
You don't seem to care for those reads I post. You only seem to be interested in pushing my lynch without reevaluating if you're wrong or not. You don't react to the new information I post in thread at all. You're playing an easy game.
My question is: how can you keep calling me useless without even giving me the chance to be town? Why are you so right on me being mafia that nothing changes the way you think? I've done NOTHING scummy in order to have you this tunneled on me.
You're also being quite selective between the lurkers. Say, what's so different between my play and hopeless' play in your POV?
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Using "big" tags so you can actually see that now
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On October 26 2016 23:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
The fact that you think you've done nothing scummy is completely subjective. I and plenty of other people would completely disagree.
I'm not being selective on lurkers at all either, because at this point the only true lurker is the guy who should have been modkilled ages ago. Everyone else has enough to go on in their filter.
Hopeless is town for a whole ton of reasons I had on him earlier in the game and is no comparison to you.
Ok, but you fail to explain WHY am I scummy and WHAT'S the difference. Saying there is a difference without saying what it is is just a way to dodge answering the questions I've posted TWICE for you after almost BEGGING for you to answer them.
You're mafia
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On October 27 2016 00:27 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 23:07 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2016 13:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Here's another fun couple of questions for you because I'm bored:
What happened to you last night, and why haven't you claimed any attacks? Last night I forgot to take action and I didn't do a single attack in this game What did you do d1? Your movement is unexplained. I think you hit H1der...
I have an investigative skill which I've been using.
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On October 27 2016 00:34 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 23:30 GlowingBear wrote:
I ask all of you willingness to interact with me. I have 5 pages of filter, it's not that much to read, and if you keep ignoring me/tunneled on me and not willing to reconsider your positions I'll just peace out and let you lose to goddammn obv Mafia Oi Cara. Tudo bem?
Tudo bem. Beijos
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On October 27 2016 02:22 Acrofales wrote:
But for real. It's time for info. Why did you visit H1? What happened? Who have you visited since (and why haven't you moved for it).
I didn't visit hopeless a single time.
I did investigate ptmc, ritoky, and Hama. I was rolenlocked while visiting ptmc.
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On October 27 2016 02:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2016 02:50 GlowingBear wrote:On October 27 2016 02:22 Acrofales wrote:
But for real. It's time for info. Why did you visit H1? What happened? Who have you visited since (and why haven't you moved for it). I didn't visit hopeless a single time. I did investigate ptmc, ritoky, and Hama. I was rolenlocked while visiting ptmc. and? What was ritoky and hama?
Phew. I'll come clean. I'm 3p. One of my win con is to find my enemies and eliminate them. I have an investigative role that says if certain person is my enemy or not. They are not my enemies.
My other win con is to survive until the end of the game
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On October 27 2016 03:01 Koshi wrote:
There is fucking 2 more 3p claims and you put 0 of them in your scumlist. How many 3p do you think there are?
A lot
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On October 27 2016 03:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2016 03:01 Koshi wrote:
There is fucking 2 more 3p claims and you put 0 of them in your scumlist. How many 3p do you think there are? A lot
Koshi, why would I put the other two 3p in my scum list?
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