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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 14:09 GMT
#2463
On October 23 2016 23:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2016 22:59 iamperfection wrote:
On October 23 2016 22:58 Acrofales wrote:
On October 23 2016 22:55 iamperfection wrote:
I'll be very tilted if Skynx isn't mafia

Don't get me wrong, I think he's probably mafia too. I just don't like Artanis' "case" on him at all, and am also willing to entertain the idea that skynx is not scum. Now vivax... vivax is irredeemable. Even if Onegu comes in right now and says Vivax is a modconfirmed townie, I will still lynch him for being fucking scum.

I'll be ultra tilted if vivax is town

Really doesn't seem possible at this point.

Rest of scumteam:
Artanis
GB
SL
Taco(?)
Lunatic(?)

That seems like the easiest

Still not scum
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 14:12 GMT
#2468
On October 23 2016 23:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well except for artanis and maybe SL

Dunno how many times I have to tell you I'm not scum for you to get it
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 14:30 GMT
#2472
On October 23 2016 23:22 Skynx wrote:
My internet sucks so im stuck on phone

1) Tubes reasons came out of nowhere imo, thats like just your opinion man.

2) Are you reading at all? LT and BM were being scummy, yeah goodjob town we didnt go after a low hanging fruit and we lynched one of the more apparent townies in the game wp.

3) I didn't, i wasn't here for rest of the day.

4) Lol there i was tunneling town!you and you quote that? I grew a lot as a player since then and thats definitely not one of my good pushes at all.

1) How were they more out of nowhere than anyone else starting about a new read?

2) It's more a supportive point to the rest of the case; you went exclusively after low hanging fruit, choosing the easy option.

3) So you didn't prevent TT's lynch at all like you claimed in your initial defense. Gotcha.

4) The point wasn't what you're doing, it's how you were doing it. The tone is completely different which I was trying to convey since the start.

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm actually starting to think you're town because of the martyring and then trying instantly after anyway though ._.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 14:31 GMT
#2473
On October 23 2016 23:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well except for artanis and maybe SL

Why do you think GB is town?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 14:31 GMT
#2474
On October 23 2016 23:19 GlowingBear wrote:
I took more damage stop hitting me

Why are you town?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 14:45 GMT
#2478
On October 23 2016 23:43 Skynx wrote:
I need a break do you want sugar withyour tea Art?

I don't like tea :/
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 14:59 GMT
#2490
On October 23 2016 23:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2016 23:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 23 2016 23:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well except for artanis and maybe SL

Why do you think GB is town?

I don't?

I'm usually pretty good at flat out catching GB but it's been a while and I'm not strong on it as usual though

Goddamnit I got your and Skynx' lists confused. I really need to stop confusing people.

Skynx why do you think GB isn't mafia?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 21:21 GMT
#2612
On October 24 2016 06:02 beentheredonethat wrote:
ahhh im dumb as fuck

I just realized that my D1 ability costs me 4 hp, which makes it actually likely that someone who's next to me is attacking me with a basic attack. So I was attacked for 6hp D1, and for 6hp N1. Which makes it likely that the same person attacked me.

Who is currently next to me? If it's the same person D1/N1, I at least know who it is.

Funny enough, if the player list = start positions, it would be Skynx OR Lunatic.

Basic attacks can only attack the person next to you?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 21:22 GMT
#2615
On October 24 2016 06:18 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2016 08:23 sicklucker wrote:
should I bother reading last night or was it just all garbage? im kind of glad hf now we will be more civilized

Check out HF's read on Artanis and look into Artanis.

I presume this means you're scumreading me?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 21:23 GMT
#2617
I remember reading something about you saying it was either Koshi or me that was mafia. Can you go into why?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 21:27 GMT
#2624
On October 24 2016 06:23 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 06:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I remember reading something about you saying it was either Koshi or me that was mafia. Can you go into why?

Erm, did I? Quote it up and I'll be glad to reply tot that.

Uh, I guess it wasn't you? I think I came accross that at some point but I forgot who it was ><
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 21:29 GMT
#2627
Also I don't really think Skynx is mafia anymore.
##Unvote
##Vote GlowingBear


The fire rises.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 21:38 GMT
#2631
On October 24 2016 06:36 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 06:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I don't really think Skynx is mafia anymore.
##Unvote
##Vote GlowingBear


The fire rises.


Anything specific about Skynx? So far I've only liked his post that was about the movement and who attacked GB I think it was. And that can probably come from mafia.

Part of me feels like GB would play more if he rolled mafia. His "why did I sign up" post(s) seemed geniune to me.

Just the martyr into ah fuck it I should try felt genuine to me.

Meh, I don't agree. GB is legendary for falling off after D1 as mafia, and I think he's a lot more likely to step it up by now if he's town.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 21:40 GMT
#2632
I just went through two old games of LT in an attempt to get any bearing on the shitshow that is his filter and was left with no more information than I started with. I have absolutely no clue.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 21:42 GMT
#2636
On October 24 2016 06:41 Koshi wrote:
Skynx/Luna/Vivax/Acrofoles/sicklucker


Why not GB?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 21:43 GMT
#2637
Also hate Skynx/Luna/Acro as targets.
No clue on SL. Haven't really looked into him yet.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 21:53 GMT
#2644
I'm mostly getting a TR on ptmc through reading SL's filter. Thanks SL. Also kinda agree on Wave looking meh. This post
On October 21 2016 03:12 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ughhhhhh game is boring
Can't wait for night phase

I guess I'll make a short list of KP targets for later we should all follow

And if people don't trust me then we can get acro or Dandel or somebody people like to agree with me


Oh also everyone needs to claim damage at phase change

Oh also I dunno I can't think of anything to say I just want to post



kill kill murder murder death.

BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD. more death

"Oh also I dunno I can't think of anything to say I just want to post" feels like he's overcompensating a bit.

I guess I'm ok with SL.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 23 2016 21:56 GMT
#2646
On October 24 2016 06:54 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 17:42 ritoky wrote:
I think the 2 best candidates for lynch who are outside of policy-sub/modkill range are GB and Lunatic.

Lunatic's case is pretty simple: I don't think he believes or cares very much about his reads. He has said Koshi is mafia since his first post for essentially being Koshi. But he hasn't made any real substantive push to try and convince people to get on board his Koshi lynch, he has just kind of left it sitting there passively. I don't even know the details of why he believes Koshi is mafia, but he says it so much in his filter that you would think he is tunneled. But then you read his filter and he doesn't seem tunneled at all, he isn't working to get people on board his target; I think he doesn't particularly care to lynch scum. There's something funky with his HF read, primarily with its basis being garbage. He town reads him, then flips basically because of omgus, then apparently wants to lynch HF but treats him like Koshi. HF not pushing back to the point of trying to lynch Luna over this hot trash read gives me some pause, but at least he called him likely mafia.

GB is a variety of things. He is overall underwhelming thus far. He didn't show any excitement I was in the game. I don't see any of his spastic town/trying to make a play town tendencies. His just agree with HF rather than try to engage him to get a read seems off and like it may come from a place of extra information. He stated a placeholder vote, when I feel like town GB would more likely use his vote as a weapon to gauge reaction rather than literally tell me he wasn't serious about his vote.


Since both you (Art and Koshi) have played with Ritoky a bunch and are meta-y.

IS this the normal kind of case Ritoky does? I haven't played with him in a longtime but I thought his town posts were much more concise and he always went after people who were "overexplainers". This seems fairly overexplained to me.

He usually does something that I think makes him 100% town, much like he talks about here:

Show nested quote +
On October 23 2016 04:54 ritoky wrote:


1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments.

2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you.

i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many.


But not yet, not sure if htat's due to him not having played and he changed since it's been 6+ months?

Last time I waffled on him he was mafia. He felt very agreeable and a bit of a pleaser that game which is not an impression I'm getting from him this game.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 24 2016 08:13 GMT
#2783
On October 24 2016 13:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 13:49 ritoky wrote:
On October 24 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Pretty sure tubesock isn't scum, but I'm with you (or are you with me?) on the rest.
Maybe not Acro...?
Look at Artanis though.

On October 23 2016 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:
On October 23 2016 00:18 Holyflare wrote:
On October 23 2016 00:06 Tubesock wrote:
I don't buy the LT and SL are town because of targeting WoS one bit.


I absolutely do and think wave's reaction to it here:

On October 22 2016 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 22 2016 17:32 Holyflare wrote:
On October 22 2016 17:21 Holyflare wrote:
On October 22 2016 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
[quote]

I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match.


So if I have a choice between a town koshi or a town ticktock I go after the scrub one??? I could have easily lynched koshi but I'm waiting to see if he does something, anything in fact while i had an actual case on TT. He also claimed a town ability too. Koshi regularly gets nk on night 1 and 2 as town because he's a big threat and plays well but for some reason I'd just let him stay alive?

Wave is definitely mafia btw.

I lost 0 hp.


Ok wave might not definitely be mafia but lt/sl are practically confirmed town in my eyes now. I don't believe mafia start laying their kp on wave when they can attack better targets.

Oh actually this is a good point.
Ugh.
Stop making good points.


Is pretty bad because in my/lt/sl's world this only makes sense because we believe wave is mafia

In wave's world (if he's town) then it's his scum read lt getting rid of town wave and sl stacking with me too

But he said it's a good point which is kinda scummy response because it's only a good point if wave is mafia


I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit.

I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town.

This dude has to be town for this

Calling me a town leader rather than shift suspicion on to me when it's clear I could still go either way
The only possible scum motivation is pocketing me if he truly believes I'm a 'town leader' but I don't buy that as an effective tactic

The 'pocketing' has sort of continued since then so He's dropped a little for me, but overall I don't see anything particularly egregious.

Artanis just gives me all over scumfeels though.


artanis made the tier 3 damdred read on me pretty accurately which kinda pocketed me.

i can understand the feelings about artanis though. i am kinda frustrated by the game-state. i feel like i am down here in the mud grinding, and artanis feels like he is in a plane in the clouds. detached i guess is the best word. but i don't know if that makes him mafia.

also he was way more convinced by skynx's responses than i was.

This is pretty bad for Artanis I think. He's very discussion oriented but normally he also picks up on little things and is a very intelligent town player. For him to be playing detached and then be convinced by Skynx's responses rather than the way he plays I just don't think looks good on him. But again for Artanis for me it's still mostly a feels read. He doesn't FEEL good. Like I think town Artanis should have had a breakout case by now that causes a stir, and he hasn't.

What is the tier 3 damdred read? Whatever it is, you know he's capable of reading you even better if he knows your alignment, right? (assuming you're town and he's not)

If I got a dime for every time I didn't live up to people's expectations of me.. Honestly I don't tend to get townread until people push me and votes actually pile up, after which I get upset and that emotional read tends to get me townread more than anything these days.

I replaced into a game and tried to get my bearings and was greeted by people who decided to call me scum for not living up to their expectations immediately. I've done my best so far with filters but the problem is that my scumreads tend to be afk. Secondly, game is too fricking large and since I wasn't a part of D1 I have to start from scratch in a 100+-page game.

Anyway, enough whining.
On October 24 2016 07:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 06:53 Artanis[Xp] wr9ote:
I'm mostly getting a TR on ptmc through reading SL's filter. Thanks SL. Also kinda agree on Wave looking meh. This post
On October 21 2016 03:12 sicklucker wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ughhhhhh game is boring
Can't wait for night phase

I guess I'll make a short list of KP targets for later we should all follow

And if people don't trust me then we can get acro or Dandel or somebody people like to agree with me


Oh also everyone needs to claim damage at phase change

Oh also I dunno I can't think of anything to say I just want to post



kill kill murder murder death.

BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD. more death

"Oh also I dunno I can't think of anything to say I just want to post" feels like he's overcompensating a bit.

I guess I'm ok with SL.

Hey man, you're supposed to keep our bedroom knowledge inside the bedroom!


But srsly, overcompensating for what exactly? For not having anything to say? For not accomplishing much? Because you're probably right. Does your comment mean anything or go anywhere?

NARP

It's a point against you in terms of displaying a mafia guilt. On its own it isn't much though.

Tubesock asked me about the Ritoky read. There's little antagonistic things in his filter like:
On October 20 2016 08:52 ritoky wrote:
this game blows.

here's some reads:
most town: dandel
most mafia: hopeless


On October 20 2016 08:59 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 08:55 iamperfection wrote:
why hopeless


was present, contributed nothing, did not try to advance the game, wasn't funny, fucked off.

On October 20 2016 09:41 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
k so lamp, a large amount of dandel's posts are related to acro's rosh claim and me saying we oughta fite him. like read his (dandel's) filter, and then read ritoky's reason for calling me scummy. Does not compute imo.


? don't make assumptions about my reads. you don't know why i think dandel is town.

On October 20 2016 12:50 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 12:39 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:33 ritoky wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:30 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:24 ritoky wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:17 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:
Exo looks like a VI to me and WoS looks a bit townie cuz reasons.....
Hopeless is giving me scum vibes because of him defending WoS.


wat makes you think exo is dumb instead of scum?

Because not revealing a TPro to town is more beneficial for scum


?????? i don't even know what this says.

TPro=Town Protection=Doc like roles


but how do you know WoS is a protective role? and why does exo get town credit for pushing on an obvious crumb when he thinks the person is lying since crumbing protective is dumb as shit?

i don't understand how you get to dumb town

And that's just from his first page. Ritoky isn't this antagonistic as mafia, generally.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 24 2016 08:20 GMT
#2784
On October 24 2016 14:28 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 14:24 ExO_ wrote:
On October 24 2016 14:19 ritoky wrote:
On October 24 2016 14:15 ExO_ wrote:
Ritoky you are trying to mischaracterize me. I think Vivax should die, but I'm saying we should be talking about a 2nd target. Esp. if he's going to die of mod kill anyway.

I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill


i refuse to rely on the mod for modkills. ESPECIALLY cuz it is vivax. for history lessons, in a game about 2 yrs ago? i was mafia in a position where it was literally stone impossible for me to escape lynch so i did not post the entire phase. the town (vivax included) decided i would be modkilled and to lynch someone else. i voted with 7 seconds left in the day as my only required post. they lynched town and lost a phase that probably could have won them the game. since then vivax has said "never again" repeatedly when people try to plan around modkills instead of lynches. i refuse to play around modkills. especially with him. it will bite you eventually.


So if weren't kill Vivax who would you want to kill?

Also where is Koshi?


kinda just posted this last page. but probably lunaticman, he fucked off when the wagon came off him and has done pretty much jack since.

i also wouldn't mind a wagon on SL just to try to force his underachieving ass to play hard for an hour or two so i can get a good read on him that i can ride the rest of the game.

I still think Lunatic is probably town.
On October 23 2016 17:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
With Lunatic's last mafia game being this, I feel somewhat confident calling him town this game. Though I expect him to be able to play a better mafia game than that, he's going after Koshi and HF pretty early on which doesn't match with the complete lack of confidence and defensiveness of the last game.

He's posted only two times since then AND I FINALLY FOUND OUT WHO SAID THE KOSHI OR ARTANIS THING
On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote:
There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3


Lunatic, why is there one scum between Koshi/Artanis?

SL kinda feels town to me for pointing out stuff on ptmc and generally railing on things that I feel make sense like the wave post I quoted before.
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