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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 04 2016 04:55 GMT
#5341
Man Tubesock engages so well in conversation, gives out reads super freely

How the fuck can he be scum

srsly
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 04 2016 04:56 GMT
#5342
On November 04 2016 13:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 13:50 ritoky wrote:
yeah plus effectively red checking and lynching a partner right after lynching one seems like a "well time to bus and pray i win f3" play, which i don't really feel like mafia was in a weak enough position at that point in the game where you go for desperate measures like that?

What are you referring to?


if you were mafia, how the mafia was in a fairly strong position from my perception when you red checked skynx; so it was probably a -EV play that is only made in a place of weakness or desperation which i don't feel like the mafia should have been at that point....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 04 2016 04:57 GMT
#5343
On October 22 2016 05:13 Tubesock wrote:
I'm moving to Koshi. Viv, LT and Ritoky on TT makes me a little quesy.

Ok look at this reasoning and compare it to Skynx just screaming about Vivax being scum and how people are bad and stuff


This doesn't scream TMI in hindsight like Skynx's does, but again, hindsight


DOES Tubesock's attention to Vivax/Koshi feel like a bus? No imo
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
November 04 2016 04:57 GMT
#5344
On November 04 2016 13:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Man Tubesock engages so well in conversation, gives out reads super freely

How the fuck can he be scum

srsly


Thanks. But his happens every game to me. I'm kinda weird.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 04 2016 04:58 GMT
#5345
On November 04 2016 13:56 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 13:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 04 2016 13:50 ritoky wrote:
yeah plus effectively red checking and lynching a partner right after lynching one seems like a "well time to bus and pray i win f3" play, which i don't really feel like mafia was in a weak enough position at that point in the game where you go for desperate measures like that?

What are you referring to?


if you were mafia, how the mafia was in a fairly strong position from my perception when you red checked skynx; so it was probably a -EV play that is only made in a place of weakness or desperation which i don't feel like the mafia should have been at that point....

Yes my point exactly. I'm not the kind of person to make stupid ballsy plays like that as scum. I rely on my own skills to win, but that's just me bragging really
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 04 2016 05:00 GMT
#5346
Hmm.
So one problem.

Tubesock basically picked out VIvax/Koshi AND Skynx decently early it seems.

Is tubesock a good enough player to do this, is it a fluke, or TMI now?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 04 2016 05:02 GMT
#5347
Ughhhh massive townread post on Lunatic.

Tubesock just got worse on the TMI front
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 04 2016 05:03 GMT
#5348
just work the opposite way if you're having trouble wave. it's probably easier. find 2 town, then pending any nighttime bullshit it doesn't matter what order we lynch the other 2.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 04 2016 05:05 GMT
#5349
On October 29 2016 05:31 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 06:37 Tubesock wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
My scum list is scummiest to least:

Vivax, Skynx, Koshi
Hamaztubo, Lord Tolkien

Ritoky, GlowingBear
Sicklucker

My biggest problem with this is they are all lurkers. Rereading Acrofales, Dandel Ion, iamperfection I just can't see how they could be mafia. Statistically though, it's improbable that mafia are all lurkers.


I think everyone in the game would kill HF if they were mafia, so it's not really informative that HF scummed: Vivax, Skynx and Koshi (also Art, beenthere,Lunat, ExO, Kurumi, GB, WoS). But if they are mafia then it would be double motivation to kill HF. Koshi already claimed hitting him.

NocturneMage was clearly tryhard so that's a good reason to kill him too. He also scummed Koshi, Skynx and Vivax. Along with Lunatic and was suspicious of Kurumi, GB, TL, ExO, Bill, Hazmatubo.

The kills also implicate Kurumi, ExO and GB. I eliminated kurumi and ExO but don't really remember why. HF was warming up to GB.

+ Show Spoiler +
So, anyone want to talk about LT, Ritoky, or GlowingBear? I think Hazmatubo will be replaced, and I think Sicklucker will be figured out a little bit better later. (I'm right about Siclucker 50% of the time 70% of the time)


Show nested quote +
On October 25 2016 20:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Also, we should pile up votes on ritoky asap. He has six pages of filter where he's not pushing anyone. Bragging about "I have lots of townreads but no scumreads" which kind of is a safe way to lurk around. Also talking about his brother's marriage, a Seahawks game, asking questions to GB but then not following up, instead bragging about "I dived BM's filter it's shit but he's town".

This guy comes on my scum pile. Also, Skynx, as he dropped again under the radar and I cannot tell if he actually did something this game or not. He's absolutely unmemorable and I don't think that this is good.

Dandel posted in a not-really-contributing way D2. Was happy with having voted and did some banter, including gems like "u fokkin wat mate??". Then, some sicklucker stuff, mainly about having two actions. Which actually is an interesting point. I can do one action per cycle. Sicklucker claims to have done two in one cycle? The more I hear about this guy the more I want him dead. He's just creating more and more confusion (nevertheless I think he's actually town). Well, Dandel... yeah, no, that's not enough for a town read.

Bill Murray at this point goes on the "lynch/kill idc" pile, i.e. scum. Self-explanatory. Not participating at all, he should be modkilled as soon as possible. It's absolutely frustrating to have such players in a game where you put effort in.

I still haven't got a final judgement of Artanis. It's interesting that he seemingly was fine with believing Koshi's claim D2 (telling me even that Koshi's rage is town indicative for him) yet he's neither hard defending nor is he pushing him. He's wishywashy at best at this point. Also, he's hard townreading ritoky for meta reasons which I absolutely do not like. Tubesock and Acro are in his "people-that-are-present-and-kinda-doing-things range" which he claims to be a town lean - and with that, he never looked into them again. Hard scumread on Vivax, soft defense on Lunatic, meta reasons again. Gets called out for that Lunatic meta read tho and gets proven wrong. Decides to townread Acro, puts Wave into the center of attention and townreads him, townreads Sicklucker, too. After all, his filter has a lot of reads which are kinda ballsy and not exactly thread-sentimenty. Artanis comes on the town pile now.

ExO_ completely disappeared. Four pages of filter. Lynch or kill, who cares. There we go, scum list.

Acro stays town.

Another update:

beentheredonethat
Koshi
sicklucker
Artanis
Acrofales


Vivax
Lunaticman
HamazuraXTakitsubo

ritoky
Skynx
Bill Murray
ExO_


+ Show Spoiler +

4 iamperfection
9 Dandel Ion
10 Koroko
13 Kurumi
14 Hopeless1der
17 Tubesock
19 GlowingBear
20 Lord Tolkien
22 WaveofShadow


So far, so good. Lunch break over. Will look into the guys I haven't a clear read on.



I looked at the nightkills that mafia likely did. I didn't include Lord Tolkien because I killed him. Holyflare, NocturneMage, and beentheredonethat all scummed ExO_ and Skynx. HF and Noct scummed Koshi but beentheredonethat did not. I think that is why they died and Dandel Ion, iamperfection and WaveofShadow haven't.

I think ExO_, Koshi, and Skynx have the highest likelyhood of flipping mafia. Then will be Kurumi probably and maybe one of the 3rd parties. I trust Ritoky's claim far more than Artanis's.

Ughhhh Tubesock whyyy

Wow your TMI is so much worse than Koshis

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 04 2016 05:06 GMT
#5350
Lol actually I guess that's only really bad if Koshi AND tubesock are mafia

lol I've been doing this too long.

Need a break
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 04 2016 05:08 GMT
#5351
the only 2 real reasons i have to think BM could ever be mafia is his ramblings being not particularly productive at times (i am the kettle, he is the pot) and he has that one post where he said "as scum" which could be a slip when i read it.

otherwise i like BM.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
November 04 2016 05:09 GMT
#5352
It's a huge compliment if you lynch me for TMI.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
November 04 2016 05:10 GMT
#5353
On November 04 2016 13:24 ritoky wrote:
btw i am on tilt so hard right now from life. to anyone reading this shit anymore...don't be THAT guy.

i went to a work thing tonight where everyone is supposed to bring some food or some shit. i homemake some guac and tortilla chips, spent like 4 hours doing this cuz i apparently didn't get the memo. my wife handrolls tons of sushi. we show up and there's like 4 cassaroles, 2 packages of storebought cookies, a couple people who clearly bought a bag of salad and didn't even bother tossing it with dressing, then like 1 other person who was hosting who made lumpia, pancit, and chicken adobo....

was sooo fucking tilted by their laziness.

typical

On November 04 2016 13:27 Tubesock wrote:
And what exactly is a "Jeep tell"?

guy named jeep had a list of really revolutionary tells
the one im referring to is my favorite one
its when you cast fos on someone but then vote someone else
when that person flips mafia later you see the fos on the person was mere distancing which mafia tend to do

On November 04 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
I actually think Skynx's filter might implicate Koshi.

His entire filter reeks of a scum playing with TMI.

Calls all strong townies top town in list post
Berates everyone for Tubesock lynch being obviously bad
Tries to protect Vivax by calling him scum yet telling us to shoot him rather than lynch him.
Calls Koshi and Vivax strongest scumreads and fake rages till the end of time

Just SO rabid about the Vivax lynch and literally had no hand in lynching him

Someone help me not be confirmation biased here

no this isnt confirmation bias
you finally hit a really good logical case with your skynx points
which is fucking awesome in hindsight because ur the reason we got skynx
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 04 2016 05:10 GMT
#5354
On November 04 2016 14:09 Tubesock wrote:
It's a huge compliment if you lynch me for TMI.

Well, basically you've essentially nailed the scumteam from the start of the game or, you're scum and know who is on the scumteam.

And if we're lynching you for it we believe that you're not that good.

So.....
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
November 04 2016 05:11 GMT
#5355
On November 04 2016 13:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 07:10 Tubesock wrote:
On October 29 2016 06:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Koshi could in theory still be scum if the team decided for skynx to use his power to try and 'future-confirm' koshi in the long run but goddamn that sounds so stupid as I type it out I refuse to believe koshi is scum.



It's not that stupid. While all that doesn't make Koshi mafia, it definitely make him town. What else has he done? Without this lynch nonsense, he'd have to put in a ton of effort which this koshi is not willing to do whatever alignment he is. So if he is mafia then this is a great play to have his team no lynch and then "save" town later with the double. Is it unbalanced if mafia elects to force the no lynch that they are later forced to double lynch? Straight no lynching is kinda mean.

##Vote: skynx

I don't mind SL's POE list. Trade out Dandel Ion and me for Bill Murray and Koshi and it's solid.

I attacked Koshi and was healed by 4.

I think this post makes Tubesock not scum mabes

I refer back to Tubesock's earlier game where he looked pretty good, and I think he looked pretty good all game really. It's just recent PoE that made me want to lynch him

Fuck why am I the least suspicious person all game.
Way easier to just deflect lynches than lead them

this is exactly how i feel
i wish i was dead and didnt have the pressure of all the town players on my shoulders
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
November 04 2016 05:14 GMT
#5356
On November 04 2016 14:08 ritoky wrote:
the only 2 real reasons i have to think BM could ever be mafia is his ramblings being not particularly productive at times (i am the kettle, he is the pot) and he has that one post where he said "as scum" which could be a slip when i read it.

otherwise i like BM.

what post?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
November 04 2016 05:15 GMT
#5357
On November 04 2016 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 14:09 Tubesock wrote:
It's a huge compliment if you lynch me for TMI.

Well, basically you've essentially nailed the scumteam from the start of the game or, you're scum and know who is on the scumteam.

And if we're lynching you for it we believe that you're not that good.

So.....

youve made excellent cases for both tubesock and koshi

however, we should theoretically lynch tubesock first because wraith king can be run as support and legion commander less so

if youre scum at this point youve played an amazing game and hats off to you
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
November 04 2016 05:16 GMT
#5358
sigh
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 04 2016 05:18 GMT
#5359
On October 31 2016 12:14 Bill Murray wrote:
bah. his dmg reduction actually correlates with mine on when he used it . n2 mine shifted from 25% to 50%

still there is like no universe where kurumi and i can both have that passive as scum


this one.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 04 2016 05:18 GMT
#5360
I WILL feel like shit though if we lynch Tubesock and he just picked up all the scum systematically because that would be mega fucking impressive.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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