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Im on p137. Wont be there on deadline since im playing Volleyball. I like Öord Tolkiens big post but im wondering why he on the one hand says im artificially filling my filter but on tje other hand doesnt dare to push me for it. Instead of reading deeper into me he brags about confirmation of me which is pointless as confirmed town tend to die anyways.
Hmmm
Ill stay on Vivax. I have changed my night actiom from attacking koshi to something else. Hes not the lynch today so he might prove the double lynch. If he claims he got rolebloxked, kill at night. No point in further guessing games. If hes town which is absolutely unlikeöy, its his own fault for his horrendous play thus far.
Skynx would be a good wagon. Alsp tje HamazuraXTakitsubo guy. Will keep an eye on tje thread but im at work so dont expect much, instead ping me directly with questions if there are any. I like that artanis is doing stuff outside of the wagons, given we do not have anyone defending anyone besifes hinself i get really paranoid by now. Sl has a good point with locating scum within the actice players, i need to look at those. Tubesock eg is a guy that i dont remember for anything particular - and tbh im still wondering why NM as replacement was instakilled. We should pay some attention to his reads.
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Lubatic do you realize youre contributing in no way to the game?
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On October 24 2016 20:30 Koshi wrote:
^ Another ******* that wants me to proof myself but votes Vivax.
Do I need to copy paste my role PM for you people to grasp how it works or?
I am not available on deadline. I will not risk that Vivax does not get lynched in case you lied. You claim a thing and are mad at town? Really? You didnt do jack shit D1/N1. Even if you are indeed town, you screwed up way too bad to not get killed at this point.
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Also we both know what will happen ig you post your role pm. So please dont do that pathetic fake rage.
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Ignoring Koshi now. Everything is said and done.
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Koroko do you have more than one vote due to your alts?
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Could that ability be a mafia ability, too?
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Like IF he can do that, would we be sure that it is a town ability?
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Koshi, its madness to do the same thing over and over again but expect a different result. If youre town, leave the thread for some hours. Calm down. We all got your claim and no, as of now, we are not following you. But you are not todays lynch. So please go ahead and read people. Drop thoughts. Bring up your findings. All you do is claiming and raging, and people follow you in derailing the thread.
Really, Koshi. Stop raging, stop claiming, all is said and done. Calm down, then start to work. Read people outside of Vivax. Make suggestions for your second wagon.
Or, keep raging and yeah, nothing will change.
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On October 24 2016 21:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 21:40 beentheredonethat wrote:
Koshi, its madness to do the same thing over and over again but expect a different result. If youre town, leave the thread for some hours. Calm down. We all got your claim and no, as of now, we are not following you. But you are not todays lynch. So please go ahead and read people. Drop thoughts. Bring up your findings. All you do is claiming and raging, and people follow you in derailing the thread.
Really, Koshi. Stop raging, stop claiming, all is said and done. Calm down, then start to work. Read people outside of Vivax. Make suggestions for your second wagon.
Or, keep raging and yeah, nothing will change. I cannot proof I am town unless you make 2 wagons? How hard is this too graps? Hey Koshi we will lynch you when you don't kill the guy with a shitton of votes. But spoiler, we won't give a second guy a shitton of votes.
Hey Koshi no second wagon is forming and if you want one,then fucking make a solid case. Scumfuck,you make me pissed by now. Back to ignore. My advicse still stands.
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On October 24 2016 22:35 Vivax wrote:
The good:
1. Hopeless.
He played and actually cared. I've never seen him care this much I believe. Last time he was mafia he behaved and talked like a guy standing dazed in front of a naked specimen of his preferred gender, then fell unconscious and nobody ever heard of him since. He is completely incapable of playing as mafia.
2. Iamperfection. I honestly have no clue how he plays mafia. But I somehow always know when he's town. Maybe he just always rolls town, maybe I'm just this good. It certainly has nothing to do with the way he plays. But he's town. He's obnoxious towards suspicious people and frantically searches remote places for mafia. He has this righteous, condescending tone in his posts.
3. Artanis. He's serious. There's no playing around. It's the empire mafia criterion. He'll just fool around and joke rather than get to work this blatantly as mafia. So I'm doing this call just based on that. I don't think I've seen a single gif? Maybe he's ill, most certainly he's being a good townie boy his parents would be proud of.
4. Dandel. Don't ask me why, I don't think I have a logical reason to TR him it's just what feels right.
5. Exo. I liked how he went after Wave D1 with the bar example and shit. Very aggressive overall but I think that in that too calm town atmosphere he did something scum wouldn't have done: Stir things up.
The ugly:
1. Bill Murray. This guy can just do what the hell he wants cause nobody ever had any clue how to read him in the history of mafia. He actually can have decent reads as town and be scary as mafia. Just the type of guy you will get insane over at a situation like lylo. Good luck boys.
Kurumi: Not that ugly actually. His lists had a meaning, and he bothered to start communicating normally afterwards. He doesn't feel the urge to do that as mafia. If anything, when he's mafia he just trolls, posts gibberish and doesn't give a damn about your opinion. On the good side of ugly.
KamasutraXTacoshopu:
Dunno, really. Focuses on superficial things like a newbie would do (shitposters=mafia, helpful=town). Hasn't yet mastered the art of saying "I am". He's the descartian nightmare, but it seems like it's a sentient being. I'm going with town for his focus on superficial things however, seems natural enough.
LordTolkien:
It bothers me that his initial list are people he would lynch just cause he doesn't know them. If he knows how to read the other people, he should certainly be able to find scum among them? Seems like a minor rebuttal, but is telling for laziness and has shown that he rather would make a very shallow list. Wanting to lynch kurumi for the emotes is also very superficial. They actually meant something if he bothered to figure it out.
Later on he plays some thread police, posts some stuff related to game mechanics, talks about germans in lederhosen, puts up the lynch mob face for Koshi. Alrighty, if he's mafia he's doing splendidly. I can't tell for sure yet.
Acrofales: He's just here cause he's ugly. I'm firmly convinced he is. Actually I just don't want to read his posts too much unfounded hate, this guy is just a bully and bullies don't deserve attention, just basic attacks.
Koshi: Felt really underwhelming at the beginning. Lacked too much third person and typical strongheadedness. But I have seen Koshi being like this as town, actually. He's just not very consistent in his tone, and just activity wise I think he looks townie enough. Plus if his claim is real, a double lynch doesn't seem like a mafia ability. So I'm leaving him kinda in between. I feel like he's becoming more townie as time passes. I just wonder why he's not on a crusade against me yet. meh.
Glowingbear: Slight townlean. Why? Cause he is scared when he's mafia. He isn't scared here. He's acting like some innocent teddy bear everyone's supposed to leave alone. Zero aggression shown towards his attackers. When Palmar got him on the hook D1 in another game he lashed back out towards him, he didn't make puppy eyes and ask "why" like here. For the time being he's staying in the ugly though. Cause he can do better than that.
The bad:
Tubesock: Goes on a rant about me being mafia and how we will have this for days and days. Quotes a game where I have like 7 posts as example. He realizes it's not really how I always play scum after ptmc points it out but doesn't really pursue that thought further. It's obvious he is just happy with having a reason to scumread me even after having it invalidated, ends up voting TickTock with me after having that train of thought. I believe he should have been much more determined to keep his vote on me after what he said.
Koroko: Has three posts. Claims third party, wins by creating fake accounts. Sounds too good to be true. Not necessarily mafia but definitely a something from outside this world that needs cleansing.
As for SL, ptmc, WoS, Skynx, ritoky. I don't wanna put them into these categories
Off the top of my head, mafia WoS tends to longish posts. SL just loses the grip on the game and misunderstands stuff, ritoky acts smug and spams stuff for fun a bit like scumtanis. I cba to check for those tendencies on these guys I'd like to have them around a bit longer anyway.
From a glance ptmc seemed townie at first but he has kinda dropped off and his list seemed a bit superficial.
Skynx on the other hand was brutally honest about how he forgot about something and couldn't be arsed to go over it again in his list thingy and that earns him town points in my book.
Either way, I'd lynch tube and the 3p claim next.
What about me 
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On October 24 2016 23:00 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 22:35 Vivax wrote:
The good:
1. Hopeless.
He played and actually cared. I've never seen him care this much I believe. Last time he was mafia he behaved and talked like a guy standing dazed in front of a naked specimen of his preferred gender, then fell unconscious and nobody ever heard of him since. He is completely incapable of playing as mafia.
2. Iamperfection. I honestly have no clue how he plays mafia. But I somehow always know when he's town. Maybe he just always rolls town, maybe I'm just this good. It certainly has nothing to do with the way he plays. But he's town. He's obnoxious towards suspicious people and frantically searches remote places for mafia. He has this righteous, condescending tone in his posts.
3. Artanis. He's serious. There's no playing around. It's the empire mafia criterion. He'll just fool around and joke rather than get to work this blatantly as mafia. So I'm doing this call just based on that. I don't think I've seen a single gif? Maybe he's ill, most certainly he's being a good townie boy his parents would be proud of.
4. Dandel. Don't ask me why, I don't think I have a logical reason to TR him it's just what feels right.
5. Exo. I liked how he went after Wave D1 with the bar example and shit. Very aggressive overall but I think that in that too calm town atmosphere he did something scum wouldn't have done: Stir things up.
The ugly:
1. Bill Murray. This guy can just do what the hell he wants cause nobody ever had any clue how to read him in the history of mafia. He actually can have decent reads as town and be scary as mafia. Just the type of guy you will get insane over at a situation like lylo. Good luck boys.
Kurumi: Not that ugly actually. His lists had a meaning, and he bothered to start communicating normally afterwards. He doesn't feel the urge to do that as mafia. If anything, when he's mafia he just trolls, posts gibberish and doesn't give a damn about your opinion. On the good side of ugly.
KamasutraXTacoshopu:
Dunno, really. Focuses on superficial things like a newbie would do (shitposters=mafia, helpful=town). Hasn't yet mastered the art of saying "I am". He's the descartian nightmare, but it seems like it's a sentient being. I'm going with town for his focus on superficial things however, seems natural enough.
LordTolkien:
It bothers me that his initial list are people he would lynch just cause he doesn't know them. If he knows how to read the other people, he should certainly be able to find scum among them? Seems like a minor rebuttal, but is telling for laziness and has shown that he rather would make a very shallow list. Wanting to lynch kurumi for the emotes is also very superficial. They actually meant something if he bothered to figure it out.
Later on he plays some thread police, posts some stuff related to game mechanics, talks about germans in lederhosen, puts up the lynch mob face for Koshi. Alrighty, if he's mafia he's doing splendidly. I can't tell for sure yet.
Acrofales: He's just here cause he's ugly. I'm firmly convinced he is. Actually I just don't want to read his posts too much unfounded hate, this guy is just a bully and bullies don't deserve attention, just basic attacks.
Koshi: Felt really underwhelming at the beginning. Lacked too much third person and typical strongheadedness. But I have seen Koshi being like this as town, actually. He's just not very consistent in his tone, and just activity wise I think he looks townie enough. Plus if his claim is real, a double lynch doesn't seem like a mafia ability. So I'm leaving him kinda in between. I feel like he's becoming more townie as time passes. I just wonder why he's not on a crusade against me yet. meh.
Glowingbear: Slight townlean. Why? Cause he is scared when he's mafia. He isn't scared here. He's acting like some innocent teddy bear everyone's supposed to leave alone. Zero aggression shown towards his attackers. When Palmar got him on the hook D1 in another game he lashed back out towards him, he didn't make puppy eyes and ask "why" like here. For the time being he's staying in the ugly though. Cause he can do better than that.
The bad:
Tubesock: Goes on a rant about me being mafia and how we will have this for days and days. Quotes a game where I have like 7 posts as example. He realizes it's not really how I always play scum after ptmc points it out but doesn't really pursue that thought further. It's obvious he is just happy with having a reason to scumread me even after having it invalidated, ends up voting TickTock with me after having that train of thought. I believe he should have been much more determined to keep his vote on me after what he said.
Koroko: Has three posts. Claims third party, wins by creating fake accounts. Sounds too good to be true. Not necessarily mafia but definitely a something from outside this world that needs cleansing.
As for SL, ptmc, WoS, Skynx, ritoky. I don't wanna put them into these categories
Off the top of my head, mafia WoS tends to longish posts. SL just loses the grip on the game and misunderstands stuff, ritoky acts smug and spams stuff for fun a bit like scumtanis. I cba to check for those tendencies on these guys I'd like to have them around a bit longer anyway.
From a glance ptmc seemed townie at first but he has kinda dropped off and his list seemed a bit superficial.
Skynx on the other hand was brutally honest about how he forgot about something and couldn't be arsed to go over it again in his list thingy and that earns him town points in my book.
Either way, I'd lynch tube and the 3p claim next. What about me
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Korokos vote doesn't count. Just saying. Not voting are four people yet only three appear there. Also I know it for sure but I was told to not say how I got that information.
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So, last 10 minutes for me before I'm off to Volleyball. Training ends at ~10.15/10.30pm so maybe I'll make it in time to deadline. Will be around shortly before or after 11pm.
I don't feel good at believing Koshi's claim. I want to explain my stance on this a bit more before I depart and I ask you guys to carefully consider if you are believing the claim or not.
Contra
1. It was an easy claim.
There is no way that a role would counterclaim what Koshi claimed. Given it's a themed game and we do not know which roles are in besides the flipped ones and our own roles, there is absolutely no problem for Koshi to fake claim a double lynch ability.
2. Day and Night 1
Day 1 and Night 1 Koshi was absolutely scummy. At no point he tried to solve the game. His replies under pressure were full of bragging, derailing, and not even close to a serious discussion that would even remotely imply he is town. He has been scumread all game and the reasons for that read are absolutely solid. Besides the claim, there absolutely no reason to not scumread Koshi. His "cases" he put up are salty, WIFOM and bad. There is absolutely no effort that could be interpreted as townie besides the claim.
3. Ability volatility
From what Koshi said, he has an ability to make two lynches flip within one day. First of all, reading my own abilities (which fully resolve around HP mechanics and in no way about anything else, yes, that's as close to a VT claim as it gets in this game) makes me feel really uncertain about that kind of ability being town-aligned.
Worst case: two town wagons flip.
Medium case: one scum, one town flips.
Best case: two scums flip.
I'm not good at math but given the likely scum to town distribution, I think the worst case is way more likely than the best case. This ability will become good in certain scenarios, agreed - but it is such a potential game changer that I don't think hosts will put this ability into the game. Although, if I'm really honest here, if that ability is indeed part of the game then it will most likely be a town ability as scum would be safe and sound to use that ability.
4. Koshi is not today's lynch
Which makes his rage hard to believe. Koshi should know he's not going to be the lynch today. He should know that we're all rather calm players that are willing to reconsider if we are given solid stuff to work with. He's however not even trying to go down the reasonable road, although I explicitely offered him the opportunity to do so by asking him to calm down, leave the thread, return with solid reads, analysis and simply more town behaviour. Keep in mind he still hasn't dropped a solid read list that we could work with if he flipped town at any point. There's literally nothing of value in Koshi's filter that we could work with if he flipped town. A worthless Lunatic push is the best he could do thus far.
Pro
1. Most likely, town ability
As written above, I do not think that hosts would put that ability in the hands of mafia. That would be really imbalanced, basically allowing mafia to mislynch two people at once. Given we all have attacks and are likely to kill each other that would be really, really tough to deal with.
2. Koshi's rage over the day
Although I talked about that at the contra section already, I think there's also the possibility that this is town rage and genuine.
Early Koshi felt lackluster, not really caring, and I thought this is highly indicative of his scum style of the previous 3 games of which 2 I hosted. In none of those games I have seen Koshi rage that hard when being under pressure. On the other hand, in none of these games was Koshi as much under pressure as he is right now.
Those are the cons and pros that I can come up with at this point.
For my judgement, this is not enough pro to believe the claim. This is why I would like you guys to only start a second wagon that was started by a more or less townread person. I would suggest taco bell hamazuro guy to be the second wagon. Yes, there's a chance he might be replaced or modkilled - but as ritoky said, we can't be sure of that. We should definitely go for the people that are not playing the game at all, as others already mentioned, and I think that guy is a good target.
Why not Lunatic or Skynx? Lunatic is the easy target. He's doing not much. But the thing is that Koshi has been pushing him a lot. So either it's bussing, starting from D1, or scum!Koshi trying to direct one more mislynch, or town!Koshi vs. whatever Lunatic, I don't care. Either way, we should re-evaluate Lunatic once Koshi has flipped. Koshi will flip (or not) depending on what's happening at this very deadline. This is why I wouldn't choose Lunatic for today's second wagon, although he's worth a lynch, vig shot, or simply stacked damage after all.
Skynx on the other hand is actually every now and again trying to play the game. I have him as a scumread but I really need to reevaluate his filter, I haven't done so yet, so a full day cycle is currently missing in my read of Skynx. Also, note how Koshi voted him, then switched to Lunatic.
(Also, look at Artanis, who was scumread by HF (confirmed town) and voted with Koshi on Skynx and on Lunatic, which can be coincidence, but it worries me. Talking more about Artanis: his thoughts over the day feel reasonable and I tend to actually like what he's writing. However his push on GlowingBear in the context of Lunatic, Skynx, and Vivax being the lynches today, it feels empty. Pressuring GB when town is on other persons with a single vote won't work. It's also very safe to go for GB as scum since GB is not playing the game, low hanging fruits and shit, easy target to appear pushy but stay under the radar).
Also, still, someone should evaluate NocturneMage's filter! There must be a reason why he was killed N1 shortly after having replaced in.
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This is why I would like you guys to only start a second wagon that was started by a more or less townread person.
EBWOP This is why I would like you guys to only follow a second wagon that was started by a more or less townread person.
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On October 25 2016 00:27 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2016 00:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 25 2016 00:23 Kurumi wrote:On October 25 2016 00:19 iamperfection wrote:On October 25 2016 00:12 Kurumi wrote:
Sigh I still don't have time nor the energy to really play the game. Lord Tolkien has been obvious Mafia from D1, Vivax is not scum, I don't really understand what are you trying to do with bringing Lunaticman as a counterwagon. Also if your so busy how do you now vivax is town you manage to read his recent posts? I thought you were busy? I read his filter, I am not going to give out an opinion out of nothing, I would if I were Mafia, but I'd never tell you guys about the lack of time if I were. I feel bad about not giving this game enough time, but between feeling radical anger or sadness, I have uni to keep eye on. So what in his filter makes you think he's not scum? Nothing is wrong in his filter + context - he has not spammed the thread, did not bicker with anyone, he left riff-raff where it was and reads Lord Tolkien Mafia for all the correct reasons.
If Vivax is town, he shouldn't have signed up for this game tbh.
I see how this scenario (among with other players not playing the game) is slightly affecting my motivation to play and I will definitely be harsher as a host in the future.
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On October 25 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote:
Ok guys. Let's say I need to afk the next 5 hours and need to send in now. I need to know there will be at least 6-7 votes on Lunatic today. He also needs to be the second lynch. Well, he doesn't have to be but if he is main lynch it is overkill obviously. If he doesn't have the votes he wont get 1-shotted.
Put it on Hamazuro guy.
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I'll even help you and vote him right now.
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Also guys, Vivax and/or Hamazuro, not outside of those.
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EPT
