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Town Calix thinks Mafia NU is trying to abuse game mechanics to create town cred to fall back on in case Mafia NU is called out in the future for sub par posting. yeah idk unless NU has a history of doing this specifically as Mafia (Calix already said NU doesn't do this specifically as Mafia) I don't know why anyone would thinm that what NU did was scummy So pretty much what holyflare said. Although getting Calix to "prove it or die" seems a little dramatic all the info is already there | ||
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On October 04 2016 21:07 Calix wrote: So you're arguing that I am pushing a read onto someone who I claim has obvious town/ scum meta. Let's just indulge in this delusion and pretend that I'm scum and let's assume that you're town...since this push makes no sense for two of the scum to do. I decide to make a lame push on you based on the question. People start to town-read you for your question. I pop in and double down on my push, thus drawing a shit-load of attention to myself. Even if I mislynched you, I would look exceptionally bad for mislynching someone that I claim has "obvious town/ scum meta" So what exactly does scum!Calix get out of doing this, exactly? Inquiring minds want to know. Weirdly defensive post I keep thinking there should be enough activity from Calix by now to have some opinion of their alignment but I'm having trouble coming up with anything. Most of calix's contributions are game mechanics inspired I could see them coming from any angle or alignment. And there are a couple of these "at least we're talking about something I'm okay with that" statements from Calix that show an awareness that they're "contributing" to the game. Like maybe Mafia Calix is intentionally choosing to talk about things that are easy to fake perspectives on. I was thinking that the Calix-NU exchange should feel town-town if they are both town and familiar with each other , and I'm getting town vibes from NU not from Calix though they're null. | ||
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Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons Pretty good right? | ||
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no I was wondering why pls tell now | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:50 NeverUnlucky wrote: Good skit. However, I think you are not giving me enough spotlight in it. You know, to make a skit successful, you have to appeal to gender codes. I propose that Mafia Calix is in so much heat that she is about to be lynched... when, suddenly, heroic Mafia NU comes to her rescue by buddying her. All of the assaillants back off the victim in fear of manly NU's wrath. Mafia NU drops Mafia Calix on a cozy hay bed on which she prays Jesus for sending NU to her rescue. Mafia NU leads charge against Town Oatsmaster who finds himself eating rope moments after. The end. That's a much better skit. Sadly it's fiction as Mafia NU is not aboard the Cruise trip. So oats is town, yeah? | ||
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On October 04 2016 23:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: He may be. If he is, I'm not ever calling myself bad again. why don't you think oats is Mafia? | ||
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Holyflare said "produce evidence or die" Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense. | ||
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On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote: No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia. offski Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia. Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position. | ||
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On October 05 2016 02:29 Grackaroni wrote: Hello my good chum. You know that we cannot be scum together because we are creating distance. Good point I didn't think of that | ||
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On October 05 2016 03:45 Damdred wrote: Also I left the calix vs NU argument thinking t v t again. Both sides are pretty lacking in the argument section but it seems like (to me) neither side cared enough about how the thread would perceive them and when they were attacked about the stance they took (especially calix) the backtrack did not feel scum motivated. Really a useless argument though, but I think town on both. I think Calix vs NU is null-town for me. There is definitely an awareness from Calix of how the thread is perceiving her she made several comments that "at least she was making progress" or something to that effect. She backtracked as a response to being called out on her lack of evidence for there being precedence for NU abusing. Overall the vibe I was getting from Calix was that NU trying to PM abuse was an opportunity to look like she was moving the game forward in reality it's was like you said a useless argument between NU and Calix | ||
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On October 05 2016 03:54 Calix wrote: I laugh at the idea of me intimidating you so much with my tone that you don't even want to respond to me. Kindly grow a pair, respond to my points against you, and take some stances plz. your points against me are okay you just have my intentions wrong. I haven't taken many hard stances because there haven't been many happens in the game i feel strongly about, thus trying to talk to people about stuff I notice. | ||
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On October 05 2016 04:06 Calix wrote: Okay, so you're claiming that I am self-aware of the fact that people were scum-reading me. I don't see how this means anything. I changed my mind primarily because HF pointed out that Koshi was backing up NU. Furthermore, that's not what he was arguing - he stated that neither of us CARED about how the thread perceived us. I'm not 'looking' like I'm moving the game forward. It bloody well did, regardless of how accurate my accusations were. The awareness made me believe you cared you're also using a pretty defensive tone and you're making a lot of posts that don't really concern you about yourself personally e.g. NU explaining to you that a post of mine that was about HF actually wasn't against you | ||
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On October 05 2016 04:17 Calix wrote: If that's the case, why haven't you tried harder to push the few points that you do have? You just dropped some fantastical theories including gems such as NU and myself hard-core distancing ourselves. You show zero conviction in what you say which strikes me as un-town-like. Explain how being defensive is a scum tell. I explicitly stated that I was inquiring about the quotes you were using as I was aware that you were referring to HF. You couldn't have missed that as I made that comment right after NU pointed this out. Listen, unless someone else is getting anything useful out of this dumb shit fight I'm just going to ignore you because I feel like I'm wasting my time. I didn't say you did anything scummy I don't think you're Mafia, I said your similarly dumb argument with NU is NAI. That your exchange with NU seemed null vs town to me, I don't think it is outrageous for me to think this as any alignment. Your case on me is fine, I'll take harder stances on stuff if stuff comes up, if not I can live with you being right about me for now. | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:13 Damdred wrote: @Batsnack how am I just trying to jump on people who are gathering steam when u was one of the firsts to scum read you essentially? Which you are still super sideline atm not even really interested in making conclusions on super vs everyone atm? I think superbia is frustrated town would seem consistent with his play the rest of today. He threw out HF and Palmar as names initially and didn't want to explain why for fear of critical people, critical people end up barking at him anyway which is totally his fault but his reactions check out. I thought marv and superbia were equally obtuse to each other earlier marv was just better at spinning it and it got exacerbated by the fact that superbia was being difficult prior. | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:34 Holyflare wrote: There's simply no way anyone can think Superbia is town, he put out reads and is simply asked to explain them and can't and has done shit all but whine. That post was outrageously tmi. He whined about needing to stay on the sidelines presumably because of the bad critical people, he dropped two names but was apprehensive to provide reasoning because omg critical people again, and then he got super frustrated when after he finally opens up the thread runs a train on him. I don't think this story is that outrageous. | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:39 Damdred wrote: Well bats, I am,not sure why you think him being afraid leads him to,being town. And I'm not sure where you are getting that he is even scared at tbh. If you could,point that out would be good. And super who has played with most of us and,is generally a thorn in people's sides as town and explains himself I just don't see fear. So I really don't understand the read you made. Also you avoided explaining how I am just jumping on the easy target when I posted my scum,read not,much push on then,exactly. Most of his first posts are insisting that he needs to stay on the sidelines this phase, that it's in town's best interest that he does or something. Also I remember when I asked about HF and palmar he wouldn't tell me what he was thinking. Being afraid leads to him being town I guess because it doesn't make sense to be afraid as mafia. I'm sure I've played with super in the past but it's been years since I've played with any of you and I don't really remember anything about how super plays. What I'm saying isn't so much that I'm CERTAIN super is town and afraid, it's that his frustration would be consistent with being town and afraid, which would be consistent with trying to stay on the sidelines and his reluctance to elaborate on reads. Like maybe super is self aware that his reads will not stand up to scrutiny because it's only 24 hours into a pretty lame day 1 so far but they're the best he has anyway lol. I obviously can't speak for him but that's pretty much where I'm at anyway. | ||
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That's not the first one I just don't want to find the rest. | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:55 Damdred wrote: You still avoid how I am jumping on the easiest person when I was the first to really push you as the best lynch bats. If super is town and afraid why would he be so adamant about not giving reasoning instead of inciting a large number of,the game to come after him? Also super gas been,pretty confrontational which doesn't point to fear either. And he's lurk in for,meta reasons not real reasons Your post about me was on the back of Carix's and they were pretty similar. and super, me, HF all seemed to gather more steam right at about the same time. 2) same applies if super is mafia; why? | ||
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On October 05 2016 06:02 justanothertownie wrote: You make it sound like I am some sort of evil puppeteer. I like it. Yes that's what I meant like I don't think Calix is helping town by being unpleasant and I think you hurt town by encouraging it | ||
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-marvellosity - early push on palmar was a good contribution -oatsmaster - gut -superbia - same -NU - same I could try to elaborate on the last three if they're of particular interest to anyone -holyflare, "not particularly shit flingy" I still like that lol. Maybe leaning town because several pretty reasonable pushes. haven't said enough to have an opinion one way or the other -koshi -stutters Could be either town or mafia as played -palmar, marv said palmar was excited to play with him palmar hasn't shown any indications of this since the game began though they're not really interacting with each other. Palmar made a good, unique observation about one of oats' posts though. Calix is anti town and generally unpleasant. There have been a lot of useless arguments and plays surrounding this player that mafia could easily influence, a policy lynch would be progress for town. Everyone else there's one or more small thing that's making me think they could be mafia -I read damdred's all star game and damdred's special way of asking questions early on seems different, part of it is coming in so late. Also was really quick to arrive at conclusions I disagree with. I haven't seen damdred as mafia in years but there could be an agenda here. -grackaroni is under the radar pretty good and seems to be happy with where he's at. -jat is encouraging anti-town play, could be pushing lines of thought that hurt town intentionally. Same as damdred I haven't seen jat as mafia in years but there could be an agenda here. | ||
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I know I'm speaking as someone who himself is guilty of not taking stances but jat is also there sort of directing traffic a lot of the time and similarly not taking stances. | ||
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I'm not super current on anyone's meta here but damdred's sudden entrance, sudden conclusions without the early questions, and his conclusions being a lot different than mine could suggest an agenda. | ||
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On October 05 2016 08:45 NeverUnlucky wrote: Having different conclusions in no way suggests an agenda, lol. Your DDD read is purely based on meta. Sudden entrance/sudden conclusions (Which I haven't personally noticed) are not AI. This read feels like a weasel read. Yeah maybe still odds of damdred pushing a mafia agenda feel higher than others imo | ||
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i think a large majority agree that Calix vs <X> has been a pretty consistent, useless shit show. I don't think I've seen anyone move forward in any conversation with this person without moving two steps backward into unnecessary defensiveness or unpleasantness I'm being pushed, I think, because I suggested in the that superbia was frustrated town dealing with a (self admitted) anti town person and a whole train of other people all at once. I'll repeat my superbia story because I still don't think it's an unreasonable perspective. Superbia started the game afraid to post their reads they commented several times that it was in their, and town's, best interest that superbia stay on the sidelines. He finally got pressured into sharing some reads and immediately got met with pretty much everyone insulting him and saying he was Mafia. Then HF, OUTRAGED that I could possibly suggest superbia may be showing signs of frustration in the HEAT OF PASSION started the push on me. Like how on earth does it ever benefit me as Mafia to suddenly pop in with the most unpopular of all opinions ever. Even if my read on superbia is trash, which hey it might be!, why am I ever sharing that? People should look at what people are posting IN THIS GAME like who cares that jat is capable of being a parrot/pushing an anti town agenda as town. He could be pushing a Mafia agenda in this game by doing that. Damdred too in his all stars bio it says Damdred is a slow starter, in his all start game he was slow with questions at the start and was very careful to take stances before being solve-y first. Here he just popped in midway through the game with a few sudden conclusions and no questions. Can Damdred do this as town sure but he could also be pushing a Mafia agenda. What Mafia agenda am I pushing when I say "hey guys superbia looks like frustrated town here" in the midst of half the thread calling him terrible? | ||
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Why wouldnt I just be like jat as Mafia and say lol good job Carix that superbia guy sure is a dumb idiot if that's the expectation of what town does here | ||
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On October 05 2016 21:14 justanothertownie wrote: Let me tell you why you should care: Because if I am able/prone to do that as town you cannot use it as argument for me to be mafia. Pretty simple and logical concept. The point of this game is to show why someone is mafia and you are not doing that. Superbia threw a fit and it was completely unwarranted. The fact that he is getting scumread for it specifically is that he is known to do that as mafia. You nonsensically stated that you think he is town for being afraid when generally being afraid is a scumtell for most people. It's not necessarily mafia agenda to defend superbia here (even though it very well could be because he is quite scummy) but it really doesn't need to be for you to be scum. Your damdred point is ok though. I don't remember how superbia plays. If being afraid is a scum tell I would expect superbia to be aware of this and not begin the game with literally "I need to stay on the sidelines." | ||
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##vote: Damdred | ||
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On October 06 2016 00:03 Holyflare wrote: I still get weird feelings from every batsnacks post which is meh. Batsnacks come back. maybe you're in love??? | ||
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On October 06 2016 00:09 Calix wrote: Question. How can my all of my pushes look shitty when you're voting for the same person I am? Why are you not trying harder to sort out myself/ batsnacks when we're clearly not on the same team? What does my 'ego type' have to do with anything? It's not clear to me that were not on the same team | ||
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I haven't played Mafia on this website in years any game you could possibly be looking at is not going to be a good indicator of how I play this game anymore. If the majority thinks my play being too far out of my town range from years ago is the best shot we have today that sucks but at least a bunch of people talked about me today I guess. | ||
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On October 06 2016 04:07 marvellosity wrote: you're just so unassertive and unopinionated compared to everything i remember you by as town if you've changed into a less opinionated, more politicy player as town then bugger. i just hope not because that isn't a good change :x You all play pretty similarly to each other here actually and I had opinions this game (no one liked them ), I just didn't want to go too hard when I've been out of the loop for so long there are better informed players in this game than me. No one wants that dumb newb who can't stop spewing their useless newb opinions everywhere and stepping on everyone's toes (cough Calix ) lol | ||
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On October 06 2016 04:16 Calix wrote: I'm new to the site, not new to mafia. You really can't stop yourself from bitching about me, eh? I'm flattered. Mafia is played a lot differently from site to site and I think it's rude to barge in somewhere where you're new and piss everyone off | ||
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On October 06 2016 04:29 Holyflare wrote: can we lynch superbia now :D? I think this is a great lynch and not just for self preservation purposes! It is bad that as soon as I intercepted all the heat he was getting he left. Or Damdred for real | ||
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I don't think palmar has been scummy | ||
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Superbia could be afk I have no way of knowing. i do know that he disappeared after I inherited his pressure. | ||
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On October 05 2016 03:38 Damdred wrote: Like stutters feels more like a policy lynch with how sideline and active he is (or isn't in this case) so if we have to policy lynch we should do him. Bats I think is on the sideline and is just posting things to exist basically. His one tinfoil isn't enough and I don't really see him sticking his neck,out and he's super agreeable and right in the middle on certain subjects (hf I believe) he also asked several questions that seemed not to,go anywhere. I'd rather lynch bats atm | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:52 Holyflare wrote: Why would I have to retort something so dumb? It clearly was 100% a joke?????? as opposed to 99% rofl | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:58 Palmar wrote: Not like any good reason has been given on me yeah | ||
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anyway gg gl town | ||
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