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On October 06 2016 00:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:03 Calix wrote:On October 06 2016 00:00 Holyflare wrote:On October 05 2016 23:48 Calix wrote:
NU, you raise a good point about JAT's defense re: meta. However, what makes you conclude that JAT/ Bats isn't scum defending scum? He switches between defending bats and distancing from him and it's a weird approach for scum/ town imo.
re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point. All of those pushes were bad apart from the Superbia and batsnacks one which other people are pushing instead. You're supposed to be town leaders-y and you seem more reactive. Your argument was that I hadn't been really pushing anyone. I refute this point. You change the argument to "Calix's pushes are bad" Your last line is a terrible attempt at a meta-read. There is no One True Way for me to play and you have no idea how I 'usually' play given that you've seen me in ONE game. Thing is I don't care. Maybe my original post should have been "calix has only pushed dumb shit all game and been reactive" instead. Yes, I think I'm ninja editing it to that instead. I don't care if you're the meta God I know your ego type like the back of my hand, you don't like being wrong, you like being right, other people are pretty dumb. I know your pushes look shitty to me and that's what I'm sticking with.
Question. How can my all of my pushes look shitty when you're voting for the same person I am? Why are you not trying harder to sort out myself/ batsnacks when we're clearly not on the same team?
What does my 'ego type' have to do with anything?
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Team = Mafia team.
I'm assuming you're bringing up the possibility of TvT?
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On October 06 2016 00:17 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:09 Calix wrote:On October 06 2016 00:05 Holyflare wrote:On October 06 2016 00:03 Calix wrote:On October 06 2016 00:00 Holyflare wrote:On October 05 2016 23:48 Calix wrote:
NU, you raise a good point about JAT's defense re: meta. However, what makes you conclude that JAT/ Bats isn't scum defending scum? He switches between defending bats and distancing from him and it's a weird approach for scum/ town imo.
re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point. All of those pushes were bad apart from the Superbia and batsnacks one which other people are pushing instead. You're supposed to be town leaders-y and you seem more reactive. Your argument was that I hadn't been really pushing anyone. I refute this point. You change the argument to "Calix's pushes are bad" Your last line is a terrible attempt at a meta-read. There is no One True Way for me to play and you have no idea how I 'usually' play given that you've seen me in ONE game. Thing is I don't care. Maybe my original post should have been "calix has only pushed dumb shit all game and been reactive" instead. Yes, I think I'm ninja editing it to that instead. I don't care if you're the meta God I know your ego type like the back of my hand, you don't like being wrong, you like being right, other people are pretty dumb. I know your pushes look shitty to me and that's what I'm sticking with. Question. How can my all of my pushes look shitty when you're voting for the same person I am? Why are you not trying harder to sort out myself/ batsnacks when we're clearly not on the same team? What does my 'ego type' have to do with anything? If you make a list of your pushes and two of them are bad and the other two other people have started (myself basically) then the only pushes you have made yourself are crap and the other two are REACTIVE based on the sentiment of the thread. Basically your posts seem entirely reactive and contain a plethora of things to assuage other people's fears.
Even if we disregard two pushes of mine which I started, I was the first person to make a case against batsnacks. In literally no universe does your narrative of "Calix is entirely reactive" hold.
You are just making up bullshit at this point. Read the thread and stop talking out of your arse.
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I'm going to have to cut you short as I am heading out now. I know it's hard for you, but don't go full retard here, thx.
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Back and not impressed.
NU, Grack, what on Earth are you two doing? batsnacks vs Calix is CLEARLY TvS. Pick one.
I don't even give a fuck if it's me because I am convinced that batsnacks is mafia and my flip will prove it. No way does he get chainsawed this fucking hard - by multiple players - as town. It makes no sense.
Don't vote for a third party, Jesus Christ people.
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Since rolling over and dying isn't really my forte, allow me to explain why batsnacks is scum.
He has literally admitted that he has no interest in giving final thoughts to the town in the case that he dies.
He just sat back and stated that he'll only check the thread to see if he can save himself. His posts after that have been him sitting on the sides. He comments on none of the events going on in the thread. He is passive and has no interest in solving the game.
That's not how a town would react. Town would be pushing harder for a scum-read of theirs to be lynched. They would be posting thoughts to guide the town.
He's clammed up. This is what scum do, they stop talking so that they don't give town too much information on who their scum buddies could be.
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Despite the fact that nobody can show town motivation for his posts, batsnacks has had a line of defenders who will focus on anyone else but batsnacks. He was coasting by without a single comment until I spotted him. He managed to get defended based on meta and my initial case on him was largely ignored. If he was bad town, that initial case would have met with FAR MORE support than it did.
Now he's being chainsaw-defended by HF and JAT who have taken to attacking batsnacks' most vocal accuser. Note that NEITHER of them have explained how they town-read batsnacks. HF has said that he scum-reads batsnacks, yet he switches to me without a single comment explaining how his read has changed.
(hint: said read 'progression' happened without batsnacks posting a single fucking thing)
I won't claim that I haven't been defended, but the people defending me have stated town-reads on myself. They are not automatically assuming that XYZ are scum purely for attacking me. These are traits that are lacking in the push against me.
My lynch is being pushed with far more conviction than batsnacks' is. That should tell you something.
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NU if you want to vote me then just vote me. batsnacks is obvious mafia and while you'll bitch at me after I flip for your failure, it'll help clarify matters for the town.
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Just keep in mind that I'll be mocking every single town on my train for the following reasons:
My train has only just taken off near EOD. They've had the entire day and have been around yet only now try to push for my lynch.
Conveniently, batsnacks just happens to be the leading wagon at that point and all he's done is rolled over and refused to help town.
JAT has not explained how batsnacks is town.
HF has not explained how batsnacks is town.
(hell, these two think he's scum)
Palmar has not explained how batsnacks is town.
They have hardly ACKNOWLEDGED batsnacks in their posts, preferring to focus on myself when I am obviously the inferior option between the two.
(if for no other reason than the fact that I'm active, contributing, am aligned with the town. Just simple things like that)
None of them can defend his posts so they are attacking me in the hopes of a CFD. 100% should be scrutinised plz.
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Ah yes HF. You realise that everyone on the batsnacks wagon voted at roughly the same time as each other? Timing doesn't mean shit.
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How the FUCK does that make any sense?
Your town-read is pushing someone so you town-read that player based on the push?
WTF
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That is 100% retarded and a cop-out of voting for batsnacks. You haven't even used his posts to show how he's town.
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Like how is it that I have to explain the incredibly simple logic of "X player who stops posting and claims that he'll only check the thread to see how he can survive and who gets a counterwagon to X going shortly afterwards is mafia" to people?
Christ.
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Superbia isn't scum.
You can all piss off with CFDs.
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Stutters is a coin flip. I have no interest in policy-lynching him today over ACTUAL scum-reads.
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For the record, my strongest town-reads are (in no particular order) Oats, NU, Superbia, Grack, Damdred, Marv. Regardless of 'how well' they are playing, I really think that they're posting with the town win condition in mind.
In the event that I get mislynched, kindly don't lynch inside this block for at least two days, please and thank you.
Palmar seems to be voting me based on shitty meta reasons. It's possible that he is scum given his laziness and that awful post where he rambled on about 'objective scumminess' but went nowhere with it.
I have little to say on Koshi and Stutters. I think the former is town but that is not a read I have any confidence in.
Consider this a shitty LW-type post.
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I think HF/ JAT are scummy. The only thing that stops me from going "BATSNACKS/ HF/ JAT FOR SCUM 2K16" is the fact that I'm incredibly biased right now because I'm annoyed at this stupid lynch-push on me which they are pushing, so I don't know how objective I can be there.
So while I'm not going to yell for their heads, I'd look into them tonight for sure.
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Damdred is 100% because of mind melds. I agreed with most of what he posted.
This is going to sound dumb, but I think Marv has town-tone. Haven't read his filter in a while but I have gotten good vibes from his posting so haven't considered it a priority.
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What are you talking about, NU?
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Is it just me or is HF being weirdly hesitant with some of his reads? I'll filter-dive later to see if this impression holds but his "calixbutmaybenot" inclusion pings me.
His apathy over the lynch is concerning me.
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EPT
