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On October 05 2016 18:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 18:17 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 18:12 Holyflare wrote:
Calix can you give me a rundown of your scum reads and why in some short sentences? Pointless question, given that I have literally said "batsnacks and JAT are in cahoots" I don't have a third full-on scum-read. I just think that this group [Koshi/ Palmar/ HF/ Stutters] have scum among them. So I just bussed my entire team pointlessly despite you seeing me write in your last game how shit bussing day 1 is..........?????????????????????? ????? ???? ..???..?
I included that group in the likely event that I haven't found two scum on Day 1.
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On October 05 2016 18:24 Holyflare wrote:
Nahhhhhh that's bull shit.
Completely bull shit.
I don't believe you ever write me in a list when I've only pushed the people you are scum reading.
Bad bad bad.
Have some arbitrary +mafia points.
K.
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It is hilarious watching you flip a table because I included you in a list of "potential mafia"
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On October 05 2016 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
Hello pot.
It's an extremely good reason to flip. Entirely great.
Oh please. I've actually admitted to being a raving hypocrite this time round. Going to have to find something more original 
Anyway I have a seminar to attend so off I pop.
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"Why would mafia ever town-read a player under pressure?"
It's called white-knighting.
If you and HF are having such a hard time town-reading anyone, you're not trying hard enough.
You keep whining about how much of a bitch I am in 75% of your posts...but you're not scum-reading me so all you're doing there is throwing shade around for the sake of it.
You're also mischaracterising the case on you as a response to your Superbia comment. That's not how it started at all - I was the first person to bring you up due to your filter. You putting words into Superbia's mouth is just a factor in the case against you.
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The fact that you think that I'm a good player automatically tells me that you're overestimating my play.
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On October 05 2016 21:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 21:29 Calix wrote:
The fact that you think that I'm a good player automatically tells me that you're overestimating my play. Did you know that this should make me scumread you. And I'm tempted to, I don't know though. Thing is, when given credit in mafia, you should always take it as town. If I control the lynch as a townie, because people are willing to listen to me, I am automatically increasing town chances of succeeding by a tiny bit. I'm not going to lynch myself, so statistically I'm more likely to hit mafia from my pov. Even then, it's always beneficial as town to have people listen to me. On the other hand, as mafia it's the other way around. If I know people won't listen to me as mafia, I'll just bus every day and call everyone bad until the game is over. So, no matter your intention here, you did something that is objectively scummy. Thing is though, people do objectively scummy things all the time as all alignmnets.
tl;dr: You're accusing me of marginalising my own contributions.
Except I wasn't doing that because I didn't put down my own points. All I did was say "I'm not a good player" which is true as I'm not that experienced.
If you think it's 'objectively scummy' but you don't think it makes me scum then that means that you're accusing me of playing badly...which supports my point.
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On October 05 2016 21:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 21:36 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 21:32 Palmar wrote:On October 05 2016 21:29 Calix wrote:
The fact that you think that I'm a good player automatically tells me that you're overestimating my play. Did you know that this should make me scumread you. And I'm tempted to, I don't know though. Thing is, when given credit in mafia, you should always take it as town. If I control the lynch as a townie, because people are willing to listen to me, I am automatically increasing town chances of succeeding by a tiny bit. I'm not going to lynch myself, so statistically I'm more likely to hit mafia from my pov. Even then, it's always beneficial as town to have people listen to me. On the other hand, as mafia it's the other way around. If I know people won't listen to me as mafia, I'll just bus every day and call everyone bad until the game is over. So, no matter your intention here, you did something that is objectively scummy. Thing is though, people do objectively scummy things all the time as all alignmnets. tl;dr: You're accusing me of marginalising my own contributions. Except I wasn't doing that because I didn't put down my own points. All I did was say "I'm not a good player" which is true as I'm not that experienced. If you think it's 'objectively scummy' but you don't think it makes me scum then that means that you're accusing me of playing badly...which supports my point. Essentially yes For example, I am #1 player, therefore people listen to me.
I'm not sure what the point of writing up a substantial post just to conclude "you're playing badly" is then, but this has already been covered.
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On October 05 2016 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol Palmar isn't making sense calix.
Don't get sidetracked by this shit
Talk to me about grack
I don't think he has done anything strongly town/ scum. He has made some points that I can see where he is coming from, however, such as his reasoning for town-reading Superbia.
But most of his filter is isolated points and stray comments with little commitment to anything, so hard to tell for sure.
Anything you want to say on him one way or the other?
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Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.
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On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?
If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)
If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.
I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.
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On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.
What? This has nothing to do with you.
He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped.
I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment"
I don't even get what your argument is here.
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On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. What? This has nothing to do with you. He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped. I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment" I don't even get what your argument is here. Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what?
I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing.
It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1.
Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive.
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On October 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:49 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. What? This has nothing to do with you. He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped. I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment" I don't even get what your argument is here. Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what? I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing. It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1. Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive. Interesting. So you are weakening your read now when questioned. Very scummy.
Please state where I backtracked on my read of you. I clearly stated that my Grack idea was considering another possibility, not that you were less scummy.
If you're referring to my first line, I already said that earlier in the thread.
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On October 05 2016 22:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:53 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:49 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. What? This has nothing to do with you. He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped. I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment" I don't even get what your argument is here. Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what? I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing. It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1. Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive. Interesting. So you are weakening your read now when questioned. Very scummy. Please state where I backtracked on my read of you. I clearly stated that my Grack idea was considering another possibility, not that you were less scummy. If you're referring to my first line, I already said that earlier in the thread. I am not interested in this shitfight which is about to ensue. I won't waste more time than this post on it. Fact is your read on me is 99 % association with batsnacks and you just now completely "forgot" it. Now that I called you out on it you suddenly aren't interested in pre flip associations anymore. How convenient. But sure. Let's stop making associations like that - they suck anyways.
My read is not entirely based on pre-flips and I didn't 'forget' about it as I've already said.
Yes, why don't you tell us where your reads are at? I'm having a hard time gauging your positions here.
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On October 05 2016 23:05 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 23:03 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:59 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:53 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:49 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
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If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)
If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.
I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.
huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. What? This has nothing to do with you. He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped. I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment" I don't even get what your argument is here. Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what? I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing. It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1. Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive. Interesting. So you are weakening your read now when questioned. Very scummy. Please state where I backtracked on my read of you. I clearly stated that my Grack idea was considering another possibility, not that you were less scummy. If you're referring to my first line, I already said that earlier in the thread. I am not interested in this shitfight which is about to ensue. I won't waste more time than this post on it. Fact is your read on me is 99 % association with batsnacks and you just now completely "forgot" it. Now that I called you out on it you suddenly aren't interested in pre flip associations anymore. How convenient. But sure. Let's stop making associations like that - they suck anyways. My read is not entirely based on pre-flips and I didn't 'forget' about it as I've already said. Yes, why don't you tell us where your reads are at? I'm having a hard time gauging your positions here. I will give you guys a lynchpool before I have to leave in a few hours. Don't worry. But that takes more time than casually responding to the thread. Why don't you start since you seem to have all the time in the world?
No can do. I am going out shortly. (will probably be back before EOD though)
Unless you want me to clarify my position on individual players or whatever, then I'll leave you to it.
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NU, you raise a good point about JAT's defense re: meta. However, what makes you conclude that JAT/ Bats isn't scum defending scum? He switches between defending bats and distancing from him and it's a weird approach for scum/ town imo.
re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point.
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I'm going out in ~30 minutes, going to be out for a few hours and then I'm in for the evening. Generally my schedule is light because I'm at uni but today is busy for me so I might not get back before you leave.
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On October 06 2016 00:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 23:48 Calix wrote:
NU, you raise a good point about JAT's defense re: meta. However, what makes you conclude that JAT/ Bats isn't scum defending scum? He switches between defending bats and distancing from him and it's a weird approach for scum/ town imo.
re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point. All of those pushes were bad apart from the Superbia and batsnacks one which other people are pushing instead. You're supposed to be town leaders-y and you seem more reactive.
Your argument was that I hadn't been really pushing anyone.
I refute this point.
You change the argument to "Calix's pushes are bad"
Your last line is a terrible attempt at a meta-read. There is no One True Way for me to play and you have no idea how I 'usually' play given that you've seen me in ONE game.
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The fact that Palmar is dodging the batsnacks case to make an unsubstantiated vote on me is terrible.
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