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Holy shit, batsnacks is actually trying to post analysis?
Since we have a fair few players pushing him, I'll back off for now so he can do something outside of defending himself.
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On October 05 2016 06:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 06:02 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 05:58 batsnacks wrote:I was just thinking jat can be mafia though. There were some moments, one where Carix was yelling at super, where he's maybe been egging bad town behavior. Like this is one On October 05 2016 05:06 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 05:05 Calix wrote:
You are either being incredibly childish or you're scum throwing a temper tantrum.
Either way, it can be fixed with a rope. Top post. That's not the first one I just don't want to find the rest. You make it sound like I am some sort of evil puppeteer. I like it. Yes that's what I meant like I don't think Calix is helping town by being unpleasant and I think you hurt town by encouraging it
That's anti-town, not pro-scum.
Please work on scum-reads.
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Side note. Didn't batsnacks say that he plays on MU?
Because if so, no idea why he's complaining about us posting too much.
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As a tip, I'd recommend not posting as you catch up in the future. It just dredges up outdated information.
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Dude, I'm being serious. Don't clog up the chat with bullshit.
HF exaggerating shit...what would you call his horrendous TT push in HM then? lol
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On October 05 2016 06:50 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Batsnacks is also town.
uwotm8
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I was hoping for a more incisive counterargument to batsnacks being scum.
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Hello hi. Have only skimmed the thread at the moment.
I've yet to see a case that overwhelms the evidence against batsnacks so my vote stays with him.
A lot of people are trying to throw up "XYZ is useless" and "this minor point looks funny" as if said points are worth lynching for. Not impressed.
I can see a batsnacks/ JAT team due to JAT trying to defend him when I first brought up batsnacks and then hedging back on that. Didn't feel genuine.
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Also lynching people who post a lot without being prodded to on Day 1 = dumb move because the mafia are likely going to kill them anyway.
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This is me saying "lynching HF is dumb" btw
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I read it as distancing from a mafia buddy. I'll get up quotes and all that shortly...maybe.
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Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them.
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.
Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter).
He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far.
On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence.
This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter?
On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Eh? I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot. In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter. Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals. #266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well" #334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands. This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm. On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 00:14 batsnacks wrote:
Calix said that there was no specific evidence she could produce for NU abusing PMs as Mafia, even though she implied NU did this as Mafia before
Holyflare said "produce evidence or die"
Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense. Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc. On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him. No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia. offski Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia. Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position. HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this. Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand. Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone: On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here. On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining
Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons
Pretty good right? First two look like typical shit-posts to me. Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him. So not terribly convinced here but I'll see. The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town.
On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.
I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum. He is definitely one of thise types.
And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts:
Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town.
His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum.
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This is largely pre-flip so I'm definitely using some confirmation bias in my analysis here.
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Also while I'm here, if anyone wants to present actual analysis for why batsnacks can be town, I'd like to hear it.
Because so far, I've seen nothing convincing outside of "he's hilarious" (courtesy of NU) and "some of his later posts were okay" (which doesn't invalidate the earlier points)
Both batsnacks and JAT are playing passively imo.
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Is everyone terrible/ possible scum for accusing you? Because that's what I'm getting out of your posts so far.
HF is opportunistic.
batsnacks' push is "so terrible that it might not come from mafia"
Grack's push "does not require a townie mindset"
Oats is not even a good argument. You're attacking him for a 'throwaway comment' (lol) and for saying that he doesn't believe in scum-slips.
Terrible.
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tl;dr: You're playing extremely reactively and you've only just started to accuse players of being scum once you were pushed into the spotlight...and all of those players are accusing you.
I remain unconvinced.
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All I did was summarise your arguments to support my point of "you're attacking everyone who scum-reads you"
If that's a 'decent town game' then beige is the new white.
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On October 05 2016 18:11 justanothertownie wrote:Let's come to this post: Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote:Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them. On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter). He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far. On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence. This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter? On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out. 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Eh? I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot. In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter. Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals. #266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well" #334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands. This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm. On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 00:14 batsnacks wrote:
Calix said that there was no specific evidence she could produce for NU abusing PMs as Mafia, even though she implied NU did this as Mafia before
Holyflare said "produce evidence or die"
Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense. Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc. On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him. No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia. offski Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia. Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position. HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this. Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand. Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone: On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here. On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining
Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons
Pretty good right? First two look like typical shit-posts to me. Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him. So not terribly convinced here but I'll see. The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town. On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.
I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum. He is definitely one of thise types. And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts: Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town. His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum. Why should the fact that he improved his scumgame make me scumread him in a vacuum? I retracted my confidence because there was less batsy stuff in his filter than I thought which I clearly stated btw. The last two quotes are me explaining to you how to read batsnacks. This has nothing to do with any shift in confidence.
That's not what I was arguing. I think it's an odd thing to add onto a town read because it weakens said read. Nowhere did I suggest that you should scum-read batsnacks because he might have possibly improved his scum game.
Your other two points are not complete shite.
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On October 05 2016 18:12 Holyflare wrote:
Calix can you give me a rundown of your scum reads and why in some short sentences?
Pointless question, given that I have literally said "batsnacks and JAT are in cahoots"
I don't have a third full-on scum-read. I just think that this group [Koshi/ Palmar/ HF/ Stutters] have scum among them.
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On October 05 2016 18:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 18:17 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 18:12 Holyflare wrote:
Calix can you give me a rundown of your scum reads and why in some short sentences? Pointless question, given that I have literally said "batsnacks and JAT are in cahoots" I don't have a third full-on scum-read. I just think that this group [Koshi/ Palmar/ HF/ Stutters] have scum among them. So your scumread on me is entirely based on this retarded association with batsnacks I take it?
I think you have an underwhelming filter which doesn't help your case.
But yeah, that's a major part of it and that's why I want batsnacks dead over you.
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