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On October 06 2016 01:11 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 01:07 justanothertownie wrote:
He clearly decided he would defend calix no matter what before actually reading what has been said about her. Clearly
Indeed.
You immediately rushed to her defense without understanding the accusation against her as evidenced here:
On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him.
Then you try to defend her by arguing her scumread on me doesn't depend on batsnacks which it evidently does.
And when all fails you just claim that you think she can forget her scumreads.
You defended for 2 separate and incorrect reasons before actually understanding the argument and then kept doing it.
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On October 06 2016 01:37 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know why you town read marv, I think he's been underwhelming at best and definitely doesn't have much of a total thread awareness.
He has been underwhelming but I will not have a hand in this lynch and he is the best bet I have since everyone else is even less trustworthy.
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Whatever I will try to get my thoughts out now. Will take a while.
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On October 06 2016 01:45 Holyflare wrote:
I don't get it jat you've scum read bats, no vote on him, you've scum read calix and she's done this bs that you're arguing with grack about and you don't vote her, you've just said to lynch grack and aren't voting him.
Why?
What does it matter where my vote is? The answer is it doesn't. In 9/10 of my games I cast my deciding votes at deadline. Often I don't vote before that at all.
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On October 06 2016 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
because you're not going to be here at deadline.............?
I am going to cast my vote before I have to leave. But not before rereading. Don't really see the problem.
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On October 06 2016 02:04 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 23:49 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 23:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I have the same conclusion s as cypherbia on grasp and bats. I think they are town.
I would Lynch jat 10 times before voting bats. Jat s defense on #811 ( can't quote from phone) was him saying that his play this game corresponds to his town meta. This is a prime example of a scum being aware of his town palsy and trying to replicate it.
Also, calix, why Re you using the bats. Jat interaction against bats? Jat defense of bats makes jat and jat only scummy.
No, this is a prime example of someone getting scumread for playing his townmeta. Your logic doesn't work. "He says he is playing his townmeta so obviously he is just trying to replicate it". Retarded. If you don't believe me you can easily check if I am telling the truth. Lmao. You are proving my point. You think simply playing aling your town meta should warrant a town read. That's what scum thinks. Town just plays the way they want, not bring worries of following a certain predefined meta. Justanotherscum
Are you dense?
What I am saying is the following:
Grackaroni is scumreadign me FOR something that is a known staple of my townmeta which makes the read completely nonsensical. The point is not "I am playing my townmeta so I am town" even though that would be entirely correct.
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So, those are the people I would not be willing to lynch today as of now:
Koshi: There is no point in wasting my time on him. When he comes back he is either normal town Koshi or you lynch him. Pretty straight forward.
Marv: Not 100 % town but he has done enough typical stuff that I won't even entertain lynching him.
nu: Not gonna lie - his play since the very active start has been less than subpar. But he has that gamey shit going for him which almost always comes from town.
These I wouldn't lynch without a good case (which has to come between now and like 30 minutes later because I will be gone):
Palmar: If you want to lynch him you need to get the wagon going way earlier. You can never know his alignment before he is forced to actually play the damn game. He is really underwhelming though and his aimless rambling earlier did not feel very palmarlike.
Holyflare: Always hard to tell with him and like I said his push on me was really opportunistic and bad. Shitflingy if you want. But I think a mafia HF wouldn't have stopped going after me this easily once he had already started to. Felt like he actively avoided an unnecessary shitfight which I do not think scum HF would do. If he suddenly turns against me again when I am gone he is probably mafia.
Damdred: His presence is severely lacking and batsnacks is right when he says that there was very little damdy questioning going on. But I really liked his perspective on the game when he arrived. It mirrored my own quite well.
Oats: Made an easy thowaway scumread against me and then didn't care about me at all anymore (I might be biased but that seems quite disinterested to me). Some really bad logic that I pointed out but I guess thats par for the course for him. Really really forgettable though.
I could lynch (roughly in order from worst to best lynch):
Stutters: If this was an open setup with a vig I would be against lynching him but we don't know that. Maybe it still would be optimal to wait for a night and see if he gets shot by a vigilante before getting rid of him by a lynch but if you for some reason need to shennany onto someone eod he is a good target.
Calix: At first I was really sold by the fearless and aggressive way she plays but I have to remember that she is only new to this site and apparently a decent scumplayer. If you have that in mind then there are several problems with her play. Starting from the way she treated nu in the beginning despite him apparently being the easiest read in the world up to the total brainfart she made when asked about her grack read.
batsnacks: This is not the batsnacks I know. I don't know if it is mafia batsnacks but he is very different. Incomprehensible defense of Superbia because "being afraid makes no sense as mafia". But he has really been digging himself a hole all game if he is mafia. Besides the superbia read there is also his accusation against me (mafia for encouraging anti-town behaviour) which is so poor and weak that it is almost comical. Why does mafia batsnacks try to attack me like that? It is so pointless. Really horrible politician posts though...
Superbia: Refuses to play the game. Agressive/hostile tone fit his scummeta perfectly. Nowhere to be seen all day today.
Grackaroni:
Made a case against me immediately when 1-2 people suddenly started suspecting me when I was gone yesterday. A really lazy and factual problematic case as I have explained lately. He also just harddefended Calix without even knowing what the problem was with her posting. Otherwise he is just existing in this game without doing much.
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This is way shorter than I had hoped but it just takes too much time right now. Will go for a shower and when I return I will finally decide and cast my vote.
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On October 06 2016 02:35 justanothertownie wrote:
So, those are the people I would not be willing to lynch today as of now:
Koshi: There is no point in wasting my time on him. When he comes back he is either normal town Koshi or you lynch him. Pretty straight forward.
Marv: Not 100 % town but he has done enough typical stuff that I won't even entertain lynching him.
nu: Not gonna lie - his play since the very active start has been less than subpar. But he has that gamey shit going for him which almost always comes from town.
These I wouldn't lynch without a good case (which has to come between now and like 30 minutes later because I will be gone):
Palmar: If you want to lynch him you need to get the wagon going way earlier. You can never know his alignment before he is forced to actually play the damn game. He is really underwhelming though and his aimless rambling earlier did not feel very palmarlike.
Holyflare: Always hard to tell with him and like I said his push on me was really opportunistic and bad. Shitflingy if you want. But I think a mafia HF wouldn't have stopped going after me this easily once he had already started to. Felt like he actively avoided an unnecessary shitfight which I do not think scum HF would do. If he suddenly turns against me again when I am gone he is probably mafia.
Damdred: His presence is severely lacking and batsnacks is right when he says that there was very little damdy questioning going on. But I really liked his perspective on the game when he arrived. It mirrored my own quite well.
Oats: Made an easy thowaway scumread against me and then didn't care about me at all anymore (I might be biased but that seems quite disinterested to me). Some really bad logic that I pointed out but I guess thats par for the course for him. Really really forgettable though.
I could lynch (roughly in order from worst to best lynch):
Stutters: If this was an open setup with a vig I would be against lynching him but we don't know that. Maybe it still would be optimal to wait for a night and see if he gets shot by a vigilante before getting rid of him by a lynch but if you for some reason need to shennany onto someone eod he is a good target.
Calix: At first I was really sold by the fearless and aggressive way she plays but I have to remember that she is only new to this site and apparently a decent scumplayer. If you have that in mind then there are several problems with her play. Starting from the way she treated nu in the beginning despite him apparently being the easiest read in the world up to the total brainfart she made when asked about her grack read.
batsnacks: This is not the batsnacks I know. I don't know if it is mafia batsnacks but he is very different. Incomprehensible defense of Superbia because "being afraid makes no sense as mafia". But he has really been digging himself a hole all game if he is mafia. Besides the superbia read there is also his accusation against me (mafia for encouraging anti-town behaviour) which is so poor and weak that it is almost comical. Why does mafia batsnacks try to attack me like that? It is so pointless. Really horrible politician posts though...
Superbia: Refuses to play the game. Agressive/hostile tone fit his scummeta perfectly. Nowhere to be seen all day today.
Grackaroni:
Made a case against me immediately when 1-2 people suddenly started suspecting me when I was gone yesterday. A really lazy and factual problematic case as I have explained lately. He also just harddefended Calix without even knowing what the problem was with her posting. Otherwise he is just existing in this game without doing much.
bats/calix are somewhat interchangable btw.
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On October 06 2016 02:48 Holyflare wrote:I'm up for a superbia shenanigan 
Yes.
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I like calix effort right now.
Probably won't vote her/stutters. Down to bats/super/grack.
Hm.
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On October 06 2016 03:04 Grackaroni wrote:
HF, do you not see what I see with Palmar?
Scum palmar is not lazier than town palmar.
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I think I will vote superbia for basically giving this game the middle finger while being heavily suspected.
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On October 06 2016 03:09 Calix wrote:
Also we have three replacements so surely one of them can replace Stutters?
He is definitely a bad lynch. 0 information. Let's pray there is a vigilante for him.
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On October 06 2016 03:11 Calix wrote:
None of the things described for Superbia make him scum. Sorry not sorry.
Yes, they do. He is playing his scumeta to a t.
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On October 06 2016 03:13 Calix wrote:
I don't give a flying fuck about 'scum meta'.
We're lynching batsnacks/ you/ HF.
End of discussion.
If you say so.
I am gone.
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On October 06 2016 16:12 Superbia wrote:
Hmm did JAT have an opinion on Palmar or Bats?
On October 06 2016 16:12 Superbia wrote:
Only vote outside the wagons outside of Bats and stutters (who will hopefully get MKed).
Why do you ask this when noone besides you is around and it would take like 2 minutes to check if you were actually interested in the answer?
So, I voted outside of the 2 wagons. Do you think that is scummy?
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So far I have only skimmed over what happened. I completely screwed over my workday yesterday and I won't repeat that mistake so closer inspection will have to wait until the evening.
Considering the way he did not even really put up a fight Batsnacks was an ok lynch I think. What we need to do now is wagon Palmar as soon as day2 starts. We need to force him to either shit towny rainbows or die and we cannot let him hide behind the fact that the deadline is on a weekend. He is in a unique position of information if he is town and can't be allowed to sit back anymore.
At least Koshi seems to be town.
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On October 06 2016 18:21 Superbia wrote:
If the wagons are TvT then the outlying votes are more scummy.
Well, the wagons didn't exist like that when I left. It seems like you are just posting to post without any deeper thought.
On October 06 2016 18:39 Holyflare wrote:
You think he's mafia and doesn't vote to save himself? I think that's bull shit unless his entire team was on batsnacks and even then I think it's incredibly unlikely.
So? He should vote to save himself regardless of his alignment and he knows that. I have to check but as far as I understood it while skimming he could have easily predicted that it wasn't necessary too.
On October 06 2016 20:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 19:32 Palmar wrote:On October 06 2016 19:15 Koshi wrote:
Ok. marv can be mafia.
I might have started this game entirely wrong. I think you should generally assume that. Hilarious.
Yes :D
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