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On October 10 2016 19:21 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 09:06 Damdred wrote:
That's a bad case tbh,
The first part is about me being wrong? The game of mafia is about people coming from a place of no knowledge to try to find the people with all of the information and are trying to stay hidden.
Ie most of the time when you role town especially early game (which is where that wad) you will be wrong most of the time sometimes you will be dialed in and be more right than wrong,but most of the time not so much.
Bats at the time of the read_(he even admits as much) that he hadn't taken stances or done much of note. And he did have one post of tinfoil when normally he would have,much more. I can't remember the exact post but was a scenario where someone was scum,and with who etc.
Overall another post about being wrong in my read, which doesn't make me,scum.
A few people agreed with me,that the way super went about interacting with marv will get the negative affects of marv raging and even marv says that is nit the way to go about interacting with him.
This isn't really a point against me really you are losing the context of the situation and painting it scummy.
As for hesitant reads I am allowed those from time to time when I am unsure which way to go. I don't really think it's a point against me as everyone is unsure at points.
Overall your case is a narrative that lacks context and attempts to paint,me as scum,while,ignoring other moving,parts in,the thread.
Its a bad case but I still do not think you are scum just dumb. This is a bad post. I just want to elaborate on this a bit before I head out. 1. First part is valid (being wrong =/= being scum) but he doesn't stop there. I really really want to emphasise these lines here: Show nested quote +The game of mafia is about people coming from a place of no knowledge to try to find the people with all of the information and are trying to stay hidden.
Ie most of the time when you role town especially early game (which is where that wad) you will be wrong most of the time sometimes you will be dialed in and be more right than wrong,but most of the time not so much. He literally repeats the game objective and even though he's purporting to come from the perspective of a townie, he doesn't sound like he relates to that at all as he just reiterates obvious information in the most emotionless manner. The last part especially is just writing words to take up space. 2. Lots of appeals to what other players have been saying and using this to support his points. I do not see town motivation behind using the words of others to convey your points...especially when you are defending yourself.3. NU has already noted this but the way that Damdred counters the points ("doesn't make me scum/ that point cannot be used against me") is a prominent theme in his posts. He says they don't make him scum but they don't make him town either. 4. His tone is objective as hell and makes him sound detached.
1 is not really alignment indicative at all, I said my point and I am right.
2 is not alignment indicative either, and I was pointing out specifically how never was avoiding the context of the thread and making it more than what it was or trying to prove me wrong when I was right.
There is no argument about three as most of the things nu said are nai as I've said before. This isn't a point.
Being objective isn't really a point either...
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Make an argument that is actually alignment indicative that doesn't neglect context and I'll give you an answer thatvisnt that doesn't make me scum.
All of your points, both of you, have the same faults.
It doesn't matter if something doesn't make me town either as what you are putting against me isn't alignment indicative.
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If what you mean to say that I am in the Poe because I was unable to play for roughly 80 hours of,the game and policy at best before I finish reading,game.
I would agree to that, but don't paint it as anything,but policy because that is what it is.
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On October 10 2016 23:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 22:39 Damdred wrote:
Also voting palmar cause I liked what marv had to say and think there is a decent chance he's scum.
Still reading though On what page are you?
Atm on 60s but reading filters to compliment and cone with reads when I feel,comfortable
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I have said what pages I am on
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I kinda feel like palmar is town atm, the tone in the posts after I went to bed yesterday was really good and it reminded me how town Palmar would approach the game.
I don't know if it's enough for me to lynch someone else but idk he's tricked me lots.
Its difficult. In any case I am almost caught up here in a moment. If I'm lynched at least I can give a will lol
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Calix
Koshi
Oatsmaster
Jat
Never
Palmar/Marc
Scott
I think one of palmar and marv are scum,but not both. Scott makes a good bit of sense with his posts and safe votes with no real reasoning.
Any other questions you can ask.
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On October 12 2016 00:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 00:41 Damdred wrote:
Calix
Koshi
Oatsmaster
Jat
Never
Palmar/Marc
Scott
I think one of palmar and marv are scum,but not both. Scott makes a good bit of sense with his posts and safe votes with no real reasoning.
Any other questions you can ask. Is this list ordered? If so I would like to an explanation on your oats and nu reads when you have the time.
It's not necessarily in order, I was just sort of throwing the people I thought were town.
Like I think Scott is pretty sure mafia in this situation and I think one of marv/palmar is scum.
However I have a reason for town reading never and upward as town.
As for oats, I found his questioning early and even middle of hi a filter ok. He seemed to be reading the game and pushing things that via greed with him on as I read.
Also his tone seems right for town, and I can see most of what he thinks coming from town along with the progression of reads.
As for nu, I am a bit torn, I think his activity and some thought processes seemed towny. His paranoia on calix just sort of makes me feel uncomfortable at points even when they were my d melding on talking about me. Just felt a bit off.
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On October 12 2016 00:42 Calix wrote:
Why do you town-read JAT?
Why is NU so low down on your reads list? That's a novel read.
Jat is more than likely town for how he pushed the lynch even if he was wrong. His tone also seems right for town and his thought process seemed genuine.
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On October 12 2016 01:12 Calix wrote:
Can you walk us through your thought processes with regards to Marv/ Palmar?
Lost my first post let's try this again.
Palmar and marv know each other really well and if you look through the history of both of them palmar catches scum marv at a remarkable rate, and likewise the inverses is true as well.
But palmar push on marv seems half hearted as well. It lacks its normal might as well go all out and kill marv now. Jay notes this as well in one of his posts (I believe). Palmar later posts and tone aren't bad.
Marv push is slightly better but marv has a small bit of activity issues and even his push while I agreed with it lacks some of the oomph that marv is know to have.
So it could be a double,bus and just hoping. For cred but I sort of doubt it. I'm still kind of leaning towards l tut inching palmar tbh.
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Well I say that but marv doesn't care really about the lynch so far either kinda just !,sitting back so far today. And I don't like,that either
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I moved from Palm to Scott
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On October 12 2016 05:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 06:08 Damdred wrote:On October 05 2016 06:05 Superbia wrote:On October 05 2016 06:03 Damdred wrote:On October 05 2016 05:52 Superbia wrote:On October 05 2016 05:50 Damdred wrote:On October 05 2016 05:49 Superbia wrote:
Anyway I think:
NU/Calix/Marv are town.
JAT is pretty town.
Palmar is possibly town.
HF is possibly town.
Rest is all meh with bats taking the lowest slot.
Ho can you think bats is scum (at this point) but just have me meh with no real read given I actually think you are on the low part of meh because of your very meh push on me, but I didn't have any real strong opinion. I.e. I also think Koshi is weird. Need to evaluate more on that. So your working theory is that I am potential scum with bats, because you were/are acting shady with almost no explanations. And most of,the other people,who share opinions with me and mostly agree with my posts you town read? No. My working theory is that I thought your push on me for the marv interaction was scummy (as it heavily assumed Marv was town out of nowhere) and that I need to evaluate more at some later point (pretty done for today). My working theory on snacks is that he's getting some light pressure put on him and posting a thesis on how I'm town. No connection (yet!). Marv is an obvious town read at that point for several reasons and most people should realize why and your pressure on him was shit tbh.The push on you by everyone was warranted and still is to some degree. why did you feel this at this point please?
I thought I answered this a few posts later after I said this. (And actually was thinking about it a fee minutes ago)
You were playing and going after a hard to lynch player you wouldn't really go after I think if you are scum. I think the read still partially rings true which is why hi think,if it's one of you or palmar it's palmar.
Also your other question I think I answered a couple pages ago with ny thought process which might be convoluted idk I'm a bit,muddled with the meds.
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I do understand people want a simple game but just think for a little bit if Damdred wasn't scum who it would be I will prove I'm town at some point today/tonight.
Or maybe you will shenanigans onto me lol, idk which.
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On October 12 2016 05:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 05:25 Damdred wrote:On October 12 2016 05:20 marvellosity wrote:On October 05 2016 06:08 Damdred wrote:On October 05 2016 06:05 Superbia wrote:On October 05 2016 06:03 Damdred wrote:On October 05 2016 05:52 Superbia wrote:On October 05 2016 05:50 Damdred wrote:On October 05 2016 05:49 Superbia wrote:
Anyway I think:
NU/Calix/Marv are town.
JAT is pretty town.
Palmar is possibly town.
HF is possibly town.
Rest is all meh with bats taking the lowest slot.
Ho can you think bats is scum (at this point) but just have me meh with no real read given I actually think you are on the low part of meh because of your very meh push on me, but I didn't have any real strong opinion. I.e. I also think Koshi is weird. Need to evaluate more on that. So your working theory is that I am potential scum with bats, because you were/are acting shady with almost no explanations. And most of,the other people,who share opinions with me and mostly agree with my posts you town read? No. My working theory is that I thought your push on me for the marv interaction was scummy (as it heavily assumed Marv was town out of nowhere) and that I need to evaluate more at some later point (pretty done for today). My working theory on snacks is that he's getting some light pressure put on him and posting a thesis on how I'm town. No connection (yet!). Marv is an obvious town read at that point for several reasons and most people should realize why and your pressure on him was shit tbh.The push on you by everyone was warranted and still is to some degree. why did you feel this at this point please? I thought I answered this a few posts later after I said this. (And actually was thinking about it a fee minutes ago) You were playing and going after a hard to lynch player you wouldn't really go after I think if you are scum. I think the read still partially rings true which is why hi think,if it's one of you or palmar it's palmar. Also your other question I think I answered a couple pages ago with ny thought process which might be convoluted idk I'm a bit,muddled with the meds. that's one reason, what were the others? does the fact i went inactive discount all those reasons?
I think,I answered this towards calix a few hours ago as well, sad you didn't read it. One of the reasons I even have you toward scum is you going awol and being pretty meh about the lynch today. It left me torn about either of you tbh.
As for the other reasons they were activity, you being sassy and being fun tone pretty slim things for that early but you were town d1 at least.
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I'm willing to go palmar right now though if we have the people.
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On October 12 2016 05:54 marvellosity wrote:
if i yolo on palmar and i'm wrong, i'm getting lynched, right?
Not necessarily
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If marv Jay and Scott are mafia I'll be s sad I shenanigans with marv and jat rip.
Death to the palmar
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Like I understand the frustration of a mislynch but it really doesn't require all of that.
I know I am town, even marvs reaction seemed okish he could be scum, JAT is possible but have to look closer at a few things. Koshi is 100% town though. And honestly it would make more sense for scum just to stay tight on scott and why even risk losing any form of cred (in the case that scott is scum) by maybe failing a shenanigans vote in the last 2 1/2 minutes of a game day.
It just doesn't make a lot of sense coming from scum really.
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