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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:04 GMT
#248
On October 04 2016 20:58 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 04 2016 19:02 Calix wrote:
On October 04 2016 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really don't like what calix is trying to push here. Sure what nu is doing is super bad play and from first glance it looks scummy but it's not actually scummy. Why would scum post that he can be modconfirmed town? That makes 0 sense.

And now she's trying to push some stupid Lynch based on content but no one has done shit anyway. Fake activity


How does one 'fake' activity?

Either I am posting or I am not posting and it doesn't indicate jack shit about my alignment.

I think the reason people are not following me is because they're not that familiar with NU. (aka, meta)

He is prone to coming up with stupid plans/ gambits - him trying to get around the rules is NAI taken by itself because it's a part of how he plays.

(I don't think it's noteworthy that anyone on this site reads it as townie as people play more conservatively here compared to our home site and thus are reading his actions from that mindset)

When I first saw that post, I just laughed it off. Grack's comment made me reread and see how terrible it was as an entrance so I decided to push it.

What I don't like is how his very first focus is on promoting himself as town using external factors. While saying "I can be mod-confirmed" is NAI by itself for him, his later posts make me think he is looking for a fallback in case he's called out for his sub-par posting.

Look at his responses to me. They are underwhelming for him. Nothing substantial, just some self-aggrandizing comments, downplays my push on him, snark, bluffing about being town. (last two points come across as forced)

If he steps it up then I'll reconsider but right now, I really do not like him and think everyone should read his filter with this in mind.

I don't want people giving him a free pass for something which is not - in my opinion - out of his scum range.

On October 04 2016 18:34 justanothertownie wrote:
I will have to refamiliarize myself with Stutters meta but so far he seems the scummiest to me. His filter consists exclusively of questions that lead nowhere and aren't followed up upon. Totally disconnected from the thread.


He was pretty lurkish, unresponsive and making terrible posts in the last game we were in and he was town so not sure how AI that is for him. Will keep your point in mind though.


No, the gambits I pull off are always great. Doc claim in IC and the what-could've-been jailkeeper/citizen claim in GoT were fantastic WIFOM claims. You cannot take this away from me.

As I said, I did not plan on promoting myself as town using external factors this early. When I asked my question (For which I was warned by a non-host, wtf. Asking a question = breaking the rules here it seems), I did not expect to be questioned about it. My question was a legitimate one. I would not have given my motives this early on if it wasn't for Grack and Calax pushing that question against me. Like I am obvious town when I am town (and I am town). I can do just fine without gamebreaking shortcuts.

Question. What is my scum range?

Agree on Stutters. His early questions remind me of scum Eggy.


Think you mean a co-host?

It was a stupid fucking question even though I took it way out of proportion. Moving on since that's established...

Scum range = behaviours that you are capable of doing as scum. If you're asking what your scum range is then that's hard to define.

(not gonna lie, I was suspecting that you had discussed strategy with Duck which speaks for itself. Not that anyone here is going to know what I'm rabbiting on about there)

Anyone else pinging you?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:07 GMT
#250
On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.


If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.


So you're arguing that I am pushing a read onto someone who I claim has obvious town/ scum meta.

Let's just indulge in this delusion and pretend that I'm scum and let's assume that you're town...since this push makes no sense for two of the scum to do.

I decide to make a lame push on you based on the question.

People start to town-read you for your question.

I pop in and double down on my push, thus drawing a shit-load of attention to myself.

Even if I mislynched you, I would look exceptionally bad for mislynching someone that I claim has "obvious town/ scum meta"

So what exactly does scum!Calix get out of doing this, exactly? Inquiring minds want to know.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:21 GMT
#256
On October 04 2016 21:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 04 2016 20:46 Calix wrote:
On October 04 2016 20:44 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 15:40 Holyflare wrote:
nEVERuNLUCKY probably bs confirmed himself town and koshi is either abusing it and bsing or is also town. Calix bad or mafia for even voting that way.

More wishy washy statements on koshi to come.

I see what you did with my name, lul.

I'm concerned that Calix didn't question my BS confirm. She just went along with it and called me bad.


Wait what?


Wasn't up-to-date when I made that post. Still, I was referring to saying "I'm town". You did not question this. That's the BS confirm I referred to.


I said "you're using a truth tell and if you're being legit then your play has become worse" in response.

No idea what your point is here.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:32 GMT
#260
Legit question. Are you actually scum-reading me?

You've made some mocking comments and "oh XYZ bullshit reason concerns me" and even agreed with me on a point or two but you have not actually said "I think Calix is scummy" or called anything I've done scummy...just questionable.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:33 GMT
#262
Also no shit your point 'looks' dumb. It's fucking retarded.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:34 GMT
#263
On October 04 2016 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
NU, is calix mafia?
##vote superbia
Calix the fake activity is refering to you being mafia and just pushing shit for the sake of creating posts.

Nu, can you explain why stutters is mafia?


So you think I am scummy but you vote for Superbia?

You're going to have to walk me through that one.

(also NU said he agreed with me about Stutters)
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:38 GMT
#265
On October 04 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 04 2016 21:32 Calix wrote:
Legit question. Are you actually scum-reading me?

You've made some mocking comments and "oh XYZ bullshit reason concerns me" and even agreed with me on a point or two but you have not actually said "I think Calix is scummy" or called anything I've done scummy...just questionable.

I town-read you.

What I have seen from you so far does not strike me as odd.

I agreed with Oats' comment on you because I could understand where he was coming from. Not knowing you're Hypocrisy Incarnate, he could not know that your comments about me making fluff posts were NAI. Capiche?


Being a hypocrite is detracting from the main point.

You're not the slightest bit suspicious of my god-awful push on you this morning? Why?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:44 GMT
#268
Actually I'm calling bullshit here.

NU says that 'what I have seen from you so far does not strike me as odd'

On October 04 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 04 2016 21:32 Calix wrote:
Legit question. Are you actually scum-reading me?

You've made some mocking comments and "oh XYZ bullshit reason concerns me" and even agreed with me on a point or two but you have not actually said "I think Calix is scummy" or called anything I've done scummy...just questionable.

I town-read you.

What I have seen from you so far does not strike me as odd.

I agreed with Oats' comment on you because I could understand where he was coming from. Not knowing you're Hypocrisy Incarnate, he could not know that your comments about me making fluff posts were NAI. Capiche?


...yet he makes these posts in his catch-up where he clearly has concerns and doubts about my posts.

This strikes me as inconsistent.

On October 04 2016 20:44 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 04 2016 15:40 Holyflare wrote:
nEVERuNLUCKY probably bs confirmed himself town and koshi is either abusing it and bsing or is also town. Calix bad or mafia for even voting that way.

More wishy washy statements on koshi to come.

I see what you did with my name, lul.

I'm concerned that Calix didn't question my BS confirm. She just went along with it and called me bad.


On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.


If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.



On October 04 2016 21:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 04 2016 21:02 marvellosity wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.


If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.

For the sake of argument, why would he try force a read on the one person who can most easily rebut him ?


She can claim that she knows my play and get others to lynch me. Doesn't matter if I can rebut her, as long as the others trust her voice over mine.

I don't really understand why you ask this question. Power Wolfs do this all the time. There isn't really a 'why'.


On October 04 2016 21:31 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 04 2016 21:07 Calix wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.


If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.


So you're arguing that I am pushing a read onto someone who I claim has obvious town/ scum meta.

Let's just indulge in this delusion and pretend that I'm scum and let's assume that you're town...since this push makes no sense for two of the scum to do.

I decide to make a lame push on you based on the question.

People start to town-read you for your question.

I pop in and double down on my push, thus drawing a shit-load of attention to myself.

Even if I mislynched you, I would look exceptionally bad for mislynching someone that I claim has "obvious town/ scum meta"

So what exactly does scum!Calix get out of doing this, exactly? Inquiring minds want to know.


Put that way my point looks dumb. Still feel uneasy about you saying I look for shortcuts often (NAI)and associating a scum-read to it. I don't even know what shortcuts you are referring to.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:48 GMT
#273
On October 04 2016 21:41 batsnacks wrote:
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On October 04 2016 21:07 Calix wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.


If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.


So you're arguing that I am pushing a read onto someone who I claim has obvious town/ scum meta.

Let's just indulge in this delusion and pretend that I'm scum and let's assume that you're town...since this push makes no sense for two of the scum to do.

I decide to make a lame push on you based on the question.

People start to town-read you for your question.

I pop in and double down on my push, thus drawing a shit-load of attention to myself.

Even if I mislynched you, I would look exceptionally bad for mislynching someone that I claim has "obvious town/ scum meta"

So what exactly does scum!Calix get out of doing this, exactly? Inquiring minds want to know.

Weirdly defensive post

I keep thinking there should be enough activity from Calix by now to have some opinion of their alignment but I'm having trouble coming up with anything. Most of calix's contributions are game mechanics inspired I could see them coming from any angle or alignment.

And there are a couple of these "at least we're talking about something I'm okay with that" statements from Calix that show an awareness that they're "contributing" to the game. Like maybe Mafia Calix is intentionally choosing to talk about things that are easy to fake perspectives on.

I was thinking that the Calix-NU exchange should feel town-town if they are both town and familiar with each other , and I'm getting town vibes from NU not from Calix though they're null.


Defensiveness has never been a scum tell and never will be.

There is also nothing defensive about walking through a thought process and asking how my posts make sense from a scum perspective.

I'm hard to read? Call the fucking presses!

Being self-aware is just a personality trait when it comes to myself. I am clearly contributing to the game since I made the NU push and helped start up this discussion. That's just a fact.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:50 GMT
#276
On October 04 2016 21:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol wtf you guys played like less than 10 games together and profess to be able to read each other one post into the game, come on man.

Calix that's really soft. Why can't I vote for superbia? Am I gonna lose my vote? No. Am I free to vote again? Yes.

So why is my vote even alignment indicative when there are still more than 24 hours to Lynch?
I would like to hear this.


All I did was ask why you made a post where you called me scum...and then voted for someone else without explaining why Superbia > Calix.

I didn't say it was AI. I'm questioning you because I don't understand your thought process.

You are also using way too many questions in your response and didn't answer my initial query.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:51 GMT
#277
On October 04 2016 21:47 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 21:44 Calix wrote:
Actually I'm calling bullshit here.

NU says that 'what I have seen from you so far does not strike me as odd'

On October 04 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:32 Calix wrote:
Legit question. Are you actually scum-reading me?

You've made some mocking comments and "oh XYZ bullshit reason concerns me" and even agreed with me on a point or two but you have not actually said "I think Calix is scummy" or called anything I've done scummy...just questionable.

I town-read you.

What I have seen from you so far does not strike me as odd.

I agreed with Oats' comment on you because I could understand where he was coming from. Not knowing you're Hypocrisy Incarnate, he could not know that your comments about me making fluff posts were NAI. Capiche?


...yet he makes these posts in his catch-up where he clearly has concerns and doubts about my posts.

This strikes me as inconsistent.

On October 04 2016 20:44 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 15:40 Holyflare wrote:
nEVERuNLUCKY probably bs confirmed himself town and koshi is either abusing it and bsing or is also town. Calix bad or mafia for even voting that way.

More wishy washy statements on koshi to come.

I see what you did with my name, lul.

I'm concerned that Calix didn't question my BS confirm. She just went along with it and called me bad.


On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.


If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.



On October 04 2016 21:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:02 marvellosity wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.


If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.

For the sake of argument, why would he try force a read on the one person who can most easily rebut him ?


She can claim that she knows my play and get others to lynch me. Doesn't matter if I can rebut her, as long as the others trust her voice over mine.

I don't really understand why you ask this question. Power Wolfs do this all the time. There isn't really a 'why'.


On October 04 2016 21:31 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:07 Calix wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.


If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.


So you're arguing that I am pushing a read onto someone who I claim has obvious town/ scum meta.

Let's just indulge in this delusion and pretend that I'm scum and let's assume that you're town...since this push makes no sense for two of the scum to do.

I decide to make a lame push on you based on the question.

People start to town-read you for your question.

I pop in and double down on my push, thus drawing a shit-load of attention to myself.

Even if I mislynched you, I would look exceptionally bad for mislynching someone that I claim has "obvious town/ scum meta"

So what exactly does scum!Calix get out of doing this, exactly? Inquiring minds want to know.


Put that way my point looks dumb. Still feel uneasy about you saying I look for shortcuts often (NAI)and associating a scum-read to it. I don't even know what shortcuts you are referring to.

Where is the contradiction?

Your posts don't strike me as odd AI-wise, but I am concerned with the points you are missing.


Wait, so your posts where you accuse me of "forcing a read on you" and say that I "still make you uneasy" AREN'T things that you find odd???

Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:52 GMT
#278
I'll post a more exhaustive list of reads later on. Still in the process of responding and all that crap.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:57 GMT
#281
On October 04 2016 21:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 04 2016 21:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol wtf you guys played like less than 10 games together and profess to be able to read each other one post into the game, come on man.


6 games together, 7 games if you count the game she coached me.

She never said she was "able to read [me] one post into the game". Neither have I. Where did you get this from? All she said is that I was an easy read for her (which, again, is not necessarily true) and that I always was the first one lynched as mafia.

I don't make anything out of this. Calix is just that person with a massive ego. While she is as tall as Peter Dinklage IRL, her ego is as big as Robert Downey Jr.

Show nested quote +
Calix that's really soft. Why can't I vote for superbia? Am I gonna lose my vote? No. Am I free to vote again? Yes.
That is not what she said.

You are contradicting yourself by saying that Calix appears scummy to you, yet, you vote Superbia whom you made no comment on.

Show nested quote +
So why is my vote even alignment indicative when there are still more than 24 hours to Lynch?
I would like to hear this.

Really, really, really defensive here. Calix never said your vote was AI.

3 "reality twists" in one post.


This is actually not a terrible post.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 12:59 GMT
#283
Anyone want Superbia to play for the game that he fucking signed up for? Or do people want him to promise to contribute but not actually bother?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 13:01 GMT
#286
On October 04 2016 21:59 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 21:59 Calix wrote:
Anyone want Superbia to play for the game that he fucking signed up for? Or do people want him to promise to contribute but not actually bother?


I promise to contribute at some point. ;p


If the contribution isn't stellar then I'm probably going to vote for you. No pressure
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 13:01 GMT
#288
Damn it, didn't see your last post.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 13:03 GMT
#292
On October 04 2016 22:01 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 21:59 Calix wrote:
Anyone want Superbia to play for the game that he fucking signed up for? Or do people want him to promise to contribute but not actually bother?


Btw Calix, I am curious. What was the "Superbia stole my laptop" about?


I made a string of one-liners and then made that post to poke at you for your tendency to post in one-liners, duh.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 13:04 GMT
#294
On October 04 2016 22:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 04 2016 21:51 Calix wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:47 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:44 Calix wrote:
Actually I'm calling bullshit here.

NU says that 'what I have seen from you so far does not strike me as odd'

On October 04 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:32 Calix wrote:
Legit question. Are you actually scum-reading me?

You've made some mocking comments and "oh XYZ bullshit reason concerns me" and even agreed with me on a point or two but you have not actually said "I think Calix is scummy" or called anything I've done scummy...just questionable.

I town-read you.

What I have seen from you so far does not strike me as odd.

I agreed with Oats' comment on you because I could understand where he was coming from. Not knowing you're Hypocrisy Incarnate, he could not know that your comments about me making fluff posts were NAI. Capiche?


...yet he makes these posts in his catch-up where he clearly has concerns and doubts about my posts.

This strikes me as inconsistent.

On October 04 2016 20:44 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 15:40 Holyflare wrote:
nEVERuNLUCKY probably bs confirmed himself town and koshi is either abusing it and bsing or is also town. Calix bad or mafia for even voting that way.

More wishy washy statements on koshi to come.

I see what you did with my name, lul.

I'm concerned that Calix didn't question my BS confirm. She just went along with it and called me bad.


On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.


If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.



On October 04 2016 21:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:02 marvellosity wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.


If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.

For the sake of argument, why would he try force a read on the one person who can most easily rebut him ?


She can claim that she knows my play and get others to lynch me. Doesn't matter if I can rebut her, as long as the others trust her voice over mine.

I don't really understand why you ask this question. Power Wolfs do this all the time. There isn't really a 'why'.


On October 04 2016 21:31 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:07 Calix wrote:
On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.


If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.


So you're arguing that I am pushing a read onto someone who I claim has obvious town/ scum meta.

Let's just indulge in this delusion and pretend that I'm scum and let's assume that you're town...since this push makes no sense for two of the scum to do.

I decide to make a lame push on you based on the question.

People start to town-read you for your question.

I pop in and double down on my push, thus drawing a shit-load of attention to myself.

Even if I mislynched you, I would look exceptionally bad for mislynching someone that I claim has "obvious town/ scum meta"

So what exactly does scum!Calix get out of doing this, exactly? Inquiring minds want to know.


Put that way my point looks dumb. Still feel uneasy about you saying I look for shortcuts often (NAI)and associating a scum-read to it. I don't even know what shortcuts you are referring to.

Where is the contradiction?

Your posts don't strike me as odd AI-wise, but I am concerned with the points you are missing.


Wait, so your posts where you accuse me of "forcing a read on you" and say that I "still make you uneasy" AREN'T things that you find odd???



Ah. I did contradict myself.

Well, I think you are town now. So check this:

IC 540


I thought I was town to begin with?

Your progression is muddled and I don't follow it.

Why are you asking me about ice cream? lmao
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 13:10 GMT
#298
Superbia, just spit it out instead of wasting time and posts with promising stuff -_-
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 13:11 GMT
#303
Here's the obligatory post where I ask Superbia to explain his reads.
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