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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 21:20 GMT
#2736
On October 10 2016 06:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 06:15 Calix wrote:
On October 10 2016 06:13 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 10 2016 06:10 Calix wrote:
He was in the POE pool.

Not a great sign.

Do you think that there's deep wolf in marv/koshi/me?


Looks like a possibility. None of the widely town-read players have been hit yet.

HF had his fair share of detractors and Grack was being considered as a scum suspect.

Possible that the scum are just trying to hit TPRs but they could just roleblock in that case so I am skeptical.


Why do you assume it's a roleblocker?


It's a guaranteed role in the setup, you dipshit.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 21:24 GMT
#2738
Legit question. Where do we go from here?

I don't really know how to operate given that everyone seems to have whack reads right now.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 21:28 GMT
#2742
I'm pretty annoyed right now. Tempted to vote for Scott and take a shot in the dark because:

- He's inconsistent as fuck with his reads.
- Sheep-voted onto a mislynch.
- Has not given any reason for his inactivity this game.
- Voted Damdred for being AFK due to real-life reasons yet is AFK himself.

In fact, I think I will.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 21:29 GMT
#2744
Also a solid idea.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 21:33 GMT
#2749
On October 10 2016 06:10 NeverUnlucky wrote:
That makes the town on Plamar day 100% town and the CFD on Damdred 100% town.


Paranoia checking in. How do you know that Palmar's wagon is 100% town when Koshi is still alive?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 21:40 GMT
#2754
How is it possible to have this many town-reads by Day 3 and still manage to be so horrendously wrong on pretty much every scum-read to date?

Either the scum are largely AFK (Scott, Damdred) or they're deep wolves (NU, Koshi, Marv, JAT)

This is bugging me too much.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 21:46 GMT
#2763
Cop should just try to get their red check lynched first and claim if it goes badly.

^^^much better idea.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 21:58 GMT
#2769
I've yet to see a scum team whose reasoning for killing someone boils down to WIFOM.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 22:13 GMT
#2772
Every time you make a comment referring to Eggy, I gain an extra freckle from the soul I took to recover from said comment.

Other than that, carry on.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 22:24 GMT
#2776
This is getting so bad that I'm actually tempted to look at past games to see how the players usually post >_>

In fact, I just did that by looking at Damdred in HM 3 and his play here.

Two things to note:

1. His tone has changed considerably. He is more brash and confident in that game. This point might be because he is sick, however.

2. He focused more on his town circle in HM 3 while in this game he's just focused on scum reads. This I do not have an explanation for.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 22:25 GMT
#2777
Obligatory post to note my shameless hypocrisy so that nobody else can call me out for it.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 22:33 GMT
#2779
Am I wrong though?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 22:36 GMT
#2781
On October 10 2016 07:33 Damdred wrote:
Saying that my activity level is indicative of anything is folly at best and idiocy at worst.

For example I,have several scum games that have 15-30 pages who or at the same time I have some scum games with 1-5 pages. And these happen in indiscriminate means as I see fit.

The same can be said of my town game the range in which I post is high sometimes and low others.

Trying to draw conclusions based off activity and any type of excuses (that I'm attempting to keep out of thread) is ludicrous.

As such if you are town you should be happy I am here and will catch up. If you are scum keep being dumb.


Neither of us called your activity AI. Please quote where we did and I'll consider apologising.

And neither of us are using your sickness to read you.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 22:46 GMT
#2784
On October 10 2016 07:42 NeverUnlucky wrote:
There’s only one moment I noticed his tone being different, and it was in his interaction with bats. It was more inquisitive than his usual chummy-chummy tone. Overall he feels more distant this game. Was that what you had noticed?
Don’t think he was sick at the time and don’t think being sick makes the tone more inquisitive than usual.

I’ve noted this too. It’s a not the best argument as he may be trying a new play style or approaching the game differently (before he got his rolecard).
For instance, my play this game is nothing like any of the other games I’ve played before.

You are right that you are a hypocrite though. I can tell you that much c:


When people questioned him, he is bolder and has a stronger "go fuck yourself" kind of attitude. So kind of. He hasn't been involved at all so it's difficult to gauge but that seems to be absent from his play so far.

It's worth him explaining though imo.

Being a hypocrite is the best flaw. I can do whatever I want and nobody can call me scummy for it because I pull this shit as town. #bestplayer #mvp
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 22:59 GMT
#2786
On October 10 2016 07:56 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 07:12 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 10 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
Hello, I have given my excuses but would rather keep it out of thread because it is nai.

I'm way behind to make any rational thought provoking posts so here's to reading 9x pages and watch all my friends turn against me.


I for one don't like that he specifies that his inactivity is nai. It once again illustrates that he is hesitant because he is sort of defending himself against a complaint that can be made on his play when it has not been made.

This reminds me of a comment scum!Eggy made in his last game: "Im sorry for being afk most of D1 I was busy which is not AI."

guilty


This post basically condemns me for activity without overtly stateing it.

And your reads on me for the both of you are horribly bad as per usual. And might I add saying he's never inquisitive or the like is foolish as neither of you know anything of me past one game.

Even the fame bats quoted I was inquisitive.


No it doesn't. He's saying that you're defending yourself against an accusation before it has been made.

Counter-point. Why is it "as per usual" for us to have bad reads on you when we've only been in one game together yet us calling you non-inquisitive is bad because we've been in one game together?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 23:05 GMT
#2790
Mind meld.

I'm fit to drop. I trust NU can lead the interrogation in my absence.

Don't forget to let him have some time to give his own thoughts outside of a defense, however.

Goodnight.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 10 2016 10:21 GMT
#2821
On October 10 2016 09:06 Damdred wrote:
That's a bad case tbh,

The first part is about me being wrong? The game of mafia is about people coming from a place of no knowledge to try to find the people with all of the information and are trying to stay hidden.

Ie most of the time when you role town especially early game (which is where that wad) you will be wrong most of the time sometimes you will be dialed in and be more right than wrong,but most of the time not so much.


Bats at the time of the read_(he even admits as much) that he hadn't taken stances or done much of note. And he did have one post of tinfoil when normally he would have,much more. I can't remember the exact post but was a scenario where someone was scum,and with who etc.

Overall another post about being wrong in my read, which doesn't make me,scum.

A few people agreed with me,that the way super went about interacting with marv will get the negative affects of marv raging and even marv says that is nit the way to go about interacting with him.

This isn't really a point against me really you are losing the context of the situation and painting it scummy.

As for hesitant reads I am allowed those from time to time when I am unsure which way to go. I don't really think it's a point against me as everyone is unsure at points.

Overall your case is a narrative that lacks context and attempts to paint,me as scum,while,ignoring other moving,parts in,the thread.

Its a bad case but I still do not think you are scum just dumb.


This is a bad post. I just want to elaborate on this a bit before I head out.

1. First part is valid (being wrong =/= being scum) but he doesn't stop there. I really really want to emphasise these lines here:

The game of mafia is about people coming from a place of no knowledge to try to find the people with all of the information and are trying to stay hidden.

Ie most of the time when you role town especially early game (which is where that wad) you will be wrong most of the time sometimes you will be dialed in and be more right than wrong,but most of the time not so much.


He literally repeats the game objective and even though he's purporting to come from the perspective of a townie, he doesn't sound like he relates to that at all as he just reiterates obvious information in the most emotionless manner.

The last part especially is just writing words to take up space.

2. Lots of appeals to what other players have been saying and using this to support his points. I do not see town motivation behind using the words of others to convey your points...especially when you are defending yourself.

3. NU has already noted this but the way that Damdred counters the points ("doesn't make me scum/ that point cannot be used against me") is a prominent theme in his posts. He says they don't make him scum but they don't make him town either.

4. His tone is objective as hell and makes him sound detached.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 10 2016 13:31 GMT
#2826
On October 10 2016 22:17 Damdred wrote:
Basically if I say it both of you think it's a bad post, even if it is the truth.

If someone else says something against me,it's a good post. Never case against me is bad I explained why.

And I'd rather argue and take part,in the thread while I catch up than read 100 pages and disappear for most of the day.

Also to point out something that calix says, he's trying to use against me (about the marv point) and well it's super important the context of the thread and how marv actually reacted. It matters a lot actually what others/marv himself states after I make my point.


If his case is bad then kindly show us the town motivation because I am not seeing it. I'll also take some reads plz and an indication of how many pages you've read.

Your first two lines are just you complaining that people are suspicious of you and dislike your posts.

Also you're being selective with what you respond to. That Marv response is...inflating the significance of a minor point which I only flagged up to show a pattern of you using other people to push your points...and ignores the rest of my post where I make far better points.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 10 2016 13:50 GMT
#2831
Holy shit, so what if you just SAY every single point isn't alignment-indicative? Wow, great defense! We're really going places here, aren't we?

Why did you say them to begin with?! All you have is "I'm not-scum". Well guess what? You're not-town either.

##vote Damdred
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 10 2016 13:55 GMT
#2834
So you're arguing that every single thing that you've done so far is NAI...this is all being said in a game with multiple strong town-reads on Day 3...

Meaning that you are, by your portrayal of your posts, an ideal lynch because you have done nothing that indicates anything the entire game.
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