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Also wait, you didn't scum-read Superbia but you agreed with the case?
How does that make any sense? How do you agree with the points but not think they make Superbia scum but vote for Superbia anyway?
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And why do you keep voting for people that you 'don't scum-read'?
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On October 09 2016 22:53 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 22:48 Calix wrote:
Also wait, you didn't scum-read Superbia but you agreed with the case?
How does that make any sense? How do you agree with the points but not think they make Superbia scum but vote for Superbia anyway?
??? Not quite it. I agreed with the points, so I was fooled into thinking that he was scum for those points. Before that, I had Superbia in my lock-town circle and was joking around with him. I'm sure the same thing happened to you.
Then you DID scum-read him?
Jesus fucking Christ, you make no sense.
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On October 09 2016 22:58 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 22:46 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, please post your list of non-lock town in order of scumminess. And defend your town-read of jat if you would be so kind.
I'll do that when you explain why JAT is scum. Unless you have a single comment which can NEVER come from town then I don't think there's a good case against him tbh.
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This has got to be one of the most unproductive games I've been in.
We've bickered for pages in a giant circle-jerk but not much has actually changed and we're not getting closer to clarifying matters.
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Speaking of Grack, would anyone like to present why they are town/ scum reading him?
I only have shitty reasoning myself.
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Actually, I have a legit reason to suspect Scott.
Observe his initial reads list where he claims he wants Palmar/ JAT lynched. That's all fine and dandy.
+ Show Spoiler [JAT (lean scum) + Damdred (null-town)] +On October 07 2016 12:23 scott31337 wrote:
justanothertownie - leaning scum, he's doing the not getting info/shitposting JAT - which is a mafia trait for him.
Damdred-slight townlean/almost null - very little to go on.
That's where I'm at now - Lynch Palmar/JAT preferred, Poke Super and Grack some more.
Observe him justifying Damdred's MIA status as NAI for him and assuming that he is telling the truth.
On October 08 2016 05:44 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 06:16 Damdred wrote:
Sorry really sick just got out of bed.
Should be able to pick back up tomorrow or when the room stops spinning, I'll start catching up. This was his sick reason 23 hours ago and his last post. :/ He's not one to make up sick excuses etc
Observe him make points about why JAT is scummy and talk to JAT in a negative manner.
On October 08 2016 05:55 scott31337 wrote:Well that sounds legit  I have been scum reading you two, and you are both voting for each other. A sick double bus would be extremely bad at this point in nature - so it makes more sense that one, or both of you are town. You just remind me of the "don't give out any info" JAT instead of the inquisitiveness/solving the game/pushing further JAT like in that game I was the two shot tracker. Palmar is sounding slightly better with his recent posts.
On October 08 2016 16:00 scott31337 wrote:JAT - You wonder why? Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 02:35 justanothertownie wrote:
So, those are the people I would not be willing to lynch today as of now:
Koshi: There is no point in wasting my time on him. When he comes back he is either normal town Koshi or you lynch him. Pretty straight forward.
Marv: Not 100 % town but he has done enough typical stuff that I won't even entertain lynching him.
nu: Not gonna lie - his play since the very active start has been less than subpar. But he has that gamey shit going for him which almost always comes from town.
These I wouldn't lynch without a good case (which has to come between now and like 30 minutes later because I will be gone):
Palmar: If you want to lynch him you need to get the wagon going way earlier. You can never know his alignment before he is forced to actually play the damn game. He is really underwhelming though and his aimless rambling earlier did not feel very palmarlike.
Holyflare: Always hard to tell with him and like I said his push on me was really opportunistic and bad. Shitflingy if you want. But I think a mafia HF wouldn't have stopped going after me this easily once he had already started to. Felt like he actively avoided an unnecessary shitfight which I do not think scum HF would do. If he suddenly turns against me again when I am gone he is probably mafia.
Damdred: His presence is severely lacking and batsnacks is right when he says that there was very little damdy questioning going on. But I really liked his perspective on the game when he arrived. It mirrored my own quite well.
Oats: Made an easy thowaway scumread against me and then didn't care about me at all anymore (I might be biased but that seems quite disinterested to me). Some really bad logic that I pointed out but I guess thats par for the course for him. Really really forgettable though.
I could lynch (roughly in order from worst to best lynch):
Stutters: If this was an open setup with a vig I would be against lynching him but we don't know that. Maybe it still would be optimal to wait for a night and see if he gets shot by a vigilante before getting rid of him by a lynch but if you for some reason need to shennany onto someone eod he is a good target.
Calix: At first I was really sold by the fearless and aggressive way she plays but I have to remember that she is only new to this site and apparently a decent scumplayer. If you have that in mind then there are several problems with her play. Starting from the way she treated nu in the beginning despite him apparently being the easiest read in the world up to the total brainfart she made when asked about her grack read.
batsnacks: This is not the batsnacks I know. I don't know if it is mafia batsnacks but he is very different. Incomprehensible defense of Superbia because "being afraid makes no sense as mafia". But he has really been digging himself a hole all game if he is mafia. Besides the superbia read there is also his accusation against me (mafia for encouraging anti-town behaviour) which is so poor and weak that it is almost comical. Why does mafia batsnacks try to attack me like that? It is so pointless. Really horrible politician posts though...
Superbia: Refuses to play the game. Agressive/hostile tone fit his scummeta perfectly. Nowhere to be seen all day today.
Grackaroni:
Made a case against me immediately when 1-2 people suddenly started suspecting me when I was gone yesterday. A really lazy and factual problematic case as I have explained lately. He also just harddefended Calix without even knowing what the problem was with her posting. Otherwise he is just existing in this game without doing much.
Two of these people you tell the most of are dead, and the other I've replaced. This is one situation I'm speaking of.
Observe him promptly forget all of that in favour of this AWFUL vote on Damdred over Palmar or JAT even though both of them were wagons at the time of his vote.
On October 08 2016 16:09 scott31337 wrote:
Sorry Damdred, I've had car accidents happen and still was able to at least voice my opinion. My vote is for you.
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On October 06 2016 01:20 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 01:11 Grackaroni wrote:On October 06 2016 01:07 justanothertownie wrote:
He clearly decided he would defend calix no matter what before actually reading what has been said about her. Clearly Indeed. You immediately rushed to her defense without understanding the accusation against her as evidenced here: Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him. Then you try to defend her by arguing her scumread on me doesn't depend on batsnacks which it evidently does. And when all fails you just claim that you think she can forget her scumreads. You defended for 2 separate and incorrect reasons before actually understanding the argument and then kept doing it.
This seems to sum up the gist of what JAT is arguing. He's welcome to chip in, of course, but I take it that you two are accusing Grack of white-knighting me?
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Question. How involved have Palmar/ Grack/ Oats been in the mislynches?
Stutters/ Scott has either been AFK or jumped on the bandwagon and the only person even remotely involved in the Superbia mislynch was Grack.
I think it'll be useful to note down what each of them did.
We could even divvy it up between us or some shit, lol.
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brb, going to filter-dive for Grack's attitude about the lynches. Koshi can do Palmar since he loves him so much 
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Actually yeah, that approach is considerably more efficient.
So we're concluding that the town did the usual thing of eating each other?
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And tl;dr: Grack didn't talk a lot about batsnacks, just said that he would vote if someone made a case and said that he didn't understand why batsnacks was being lynched. As noted, he started the counter-wagon on Palmar but then flips on this post-flip because "Palmar might get some points for defending bats"
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Jesus Christ, I'm going to die in just over an hour and some garbage accusations on Marv and Koshi are what come up?
Grack and Palmar can join Team Go Fuck Yourselves for whining that we're scum-reading them when they have done jack shit the entire game. The only valid point I saw in that was Grack defending Palmar with the "calling Superbia a bad lynch just draws attention to him" argument.
Otherwise no.
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On October 10 2016 04:51 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 04:46 Calix wrote:
Jesus Christ, I'm going to die in just over an hour and some garbage accusations on Marv and Koshi are what come up?
Grack and Palmar can join Team Go Fuck Yourselves for whining that we're scum-reading them when they have done jack shit the entire game. The only valid point I saw in that was Grack defending Palmar with the "calling Superbia a bad lynch just draws attention to him" argument.
Otherwise no. Waaaaah you haven't done anything. Waaaaaah now you are accusing Marv and Koshi and I dislike that. Make your choice. You're one of the biggest whiners here.
You haven't done anything yet you have the audacity to talk shit about the people who have? Why is it that you've only sprung to life after people start accusing you? lol
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On October 10 2016 04:56 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On October 10 2016 04:51 Grackaroni wrote:On October 10 2016 04:46 Calix wrote:
Jesus Christ, I'm going to die in just over an hour and some garbage accusations on Marv and Koshi are what come up?
Grack and Palmar can join Team Go Fuck Yourselves for whining that we're scum-reading them when they have done jack shit the entire game. The only valid point I saw in that was Grack defending Palmar with the "calling Superbia a bad lynch just draws attention to him" argument.
Otherwise no. Waaaaah you haven't done anything. Waaaaaah now you are accusing Marv and Koshi and I dislike that. Make your choice. You're one of the biggest whiners here. You haven't done anything yet you have the audacity to talk shit about the people who have? Why is it that you've only sprung to life after people start accusing you? lol I'm trying to point out why we should be pushing Marv. You rudely accuse me of not doing anything while I am doing something. I believe you stated that defensiveness wasn't a scum trait earlier? Nice one, Calix.
Your push sucks. "Oh no he hasn't posted in X hours."
Who gives a shit?
I'm not calling you defensive. I'm accusing you of only giving a fuck about the game after people talk about you.
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NU, your Damdred case wasn't terrible although it's not compelling enough for me to consider him 'lock scum'.
There's also the issue of Scott to content with. Sadly dwelling on this is just speculation because neither of them are actually playing.
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Just to repeat it again, Grack. Go fuck yourself.
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On October 10 2016 05:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:
NU, your Damdred case wasn't terrible although it's not compelling enough for me to consider him 'lock scum'.
There's also the issue of Scott to content with. Sadly dwelling on this is just speculation because neither of them are actually playing. Yeah, but why do you and Koshi TR him? Agreed. We pretty much have to keep our last ML to make sure we don't flip the coin on the wrong side when dealing with scott/ddd.
I town-read him because the thoughts he had (at the time) were very similar to mine. Like he literally said things which I was going to say in my catch-up post but didn't because he had already said them. I know that's biased, but it's there.
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I only skimmed the last few pages since I'm only playing for the next fucking hour, but the impression I got from Grack is that his main focus is on defending Palmar/ Oats with pushing scum-reads as a secondary objective.
This may not be entirely accurate. It's just the vibe I got and people should look into it when Day 3 starts.
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On October 10 2016 05:10 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:On October 10 2016 05:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 10 2016 04:56 justanothertownie wrote:On October 10 2016 04:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 10 2016 04:52 justanothertownie wrote:On October 10 2016 04:49 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Still in the process of reading through everyone's filter, but atm I'm at Palmar + Damdred + ? (Jat/Grack/marv). Any reason for why grack and me are scummier than let's say - scott and oats? I forgot Oats, thank you. I don't see Scott+DDD in the same team at the moment. Because of the shit vote I guess. Don't necessarily agree that that makes it impossible but at least I see your point. I would find it outlandish that Damdred who was willing to PL Stutts/Scott whom he had as #1 scum-read out of 4 posts and Scott who voted Damdred for being sick (lol) were in the same team. I don't think it is outlandish. Damdred is a known hardbusser. And the vote is so obviously shit that I don't think that is unthinkable either. Mmk. Forget that point then, it is forseeable. Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 05:07 Calix wrote:
I only skimmed the last few pages since I'm only playing for the next fucking hour, but the impression I got from Grack is that his main focus is on defending Palmar/ Oats with pushing scum-reads as a secondary objective.
This may not be entirely accurate. It's just the vibe I got and people should look into it when Day 3 starts. Who do you 100% trust? I'll need someone else to bounce my reads off of.
Koshi, you, Marv.
JAT to an extent as a lot of questionable people are pushing him.
I mean, that's 5/7 right?
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