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On October 07 2016 07:17 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 07:10 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 07:06 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 07 2016 07:03 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 07:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 07 2016 06:56 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 06:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 07 2016 06:53 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 06:52 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 07 2016 06:49 Calix wrote:
Actually my point is that your recent explanation doesn't mesh well with your stated reasoning at the time. It fucking does. What is the relevance of your point? Unless you think I am mafia with Plamar, you are going nowhere. Who said anything about Palmar? I just asked about your batsnacks vote on its own, my dude. Which raises the question: What is the relevance of your point? It's obvious that I think your vote is bad and I'm prying into your stated reasoning vs what you've said before and how they don't actually make sense together. Doesn't take a genius to pick up on that one, pal. They make sense together... they're the same. So it has no relevance. You have no follow-up on this. Saying you don't scum-read someone who you think scum-claimed is not the same. Instead of properly explaining your thought process here so that I can understand it better, you're just trying to shut down this line of conversation by calling it 'irrelevant'. You have yet to show me how this point is relevant, lmao. I don't see any follow-up coming my way. Nice evasion of explaining your contradictory vote. Your vote sucks. You voted for someone that you didn't scum-read and later claimed that he scum-claimed. This was on town. You then try having your cake and eating it too by going "told you so LOL Calix, you so bad, should have listened to me sooner!" and now you refuse to explain yourself. Need me to spoon-feed you any further on how scummy that is? Who are you to tell me my vote sucked, lol? If I voted Palmar, the problem would have been the same. I did not scum-read Palmar. My vote on HF was meaningless because it was the only one on him. I had to choose between two players I do not scum-read. Of course the vote was going to be bad. Nice job taking my vote out of context. Yeah, you're fucking bad. This push is bad. (You claim that my vote doesn't match my reads, while you are pushing one of your scum-reads. That is some really nice play.) I said that you never listened to anybody else. That applies to every game I've seen you play. It's either your lynch or fuck off. The better players' opinion does not matter. I have explained myself.
"Your vote was worse so my awful contradiction doesn't mean anything!"
You still have not explained how "I don't scum-read him" and "he scum-claimed" make any sense. Your response is just you whining about how you JUST HAD TO CHOOSE between two town-reads when you could have easily voted for a third wagon and push that? lol
HF was being considered as an option and had a brief spurt of votes on him iirc. You have no excuse to not even try and get a wagon on him going. It wasn't like anyone really town-read him at that point.
You realise that your continued discrediting of someone you town-read is extremely anti-town and only helps the scum do their job by tearing down a town voice, right? It hasn't escaped my notice that most of your posts have the words "Calix is bad/ retarded" which is excessive even for you.
The fact that you started renewing your "Calix sucks" tirade once I said that I find your vote scummy (in the same post where you fail to explain it, rofl) speaks volumes.
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Not even getting into how you picked the person you actively town-read over someone who you have only said is "not scummy" lmao.
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On October 07 2016 07:35 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 07:23 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 07:17 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 07 2016 07:10 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 07:06 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 07 2016 07:03 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 07:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 07 2016 06:56 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 06:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 07 2016 06:53 Calix wrote:
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Who said anything about Palmar? I just asked about your batsnacks vote on its own, my dude. Which raises the question: What is the relevance of your point? It's obvious that I think your vote is bad and I'm prying into your stated reasoning vs what you've said before and how they don't actually make sense together. Doesn't take a genius to pick up on that one, pal. They make sense together... they're the same. So it has no relevance. You have no follow-up on this. Saying you don't scum-read someone who you think scum-claimed is not the same. Instead of properly explaining your thought process here so that I can understand it better, you're just trying to shut down this line of conversation by calling it 'irrelevant'. You have yet to show me how this point is relevant, lmao. I don't see any follow-up coming my way. Nice evasion of explaining your contradictory vote. Your vote sucks. You voted for someone that you didn't scum-read and later claimed that he scum-claimed. This was on town. You then try having your cake and eating it too by going "told you so LOL Calix, you so bad, should have listened to me sooner!" and now you refuse to explain yourself. Need me to spoon-feed you any further on how scummy that is? Who are you to tell me my vote sucked, lol? If I voted Palmar, the problem would have been the same. I did not scum-read Palmar. My vote on HF was meaningless because it was the only one on him. I had to choose between two players I do not scum-read. Of course the vote was going to be bad. Nice job taking my vote out of context. Yeah, you're fucking bad. This push is bad. (You claim that my vote doesn't match my reads, while you are pushing one of your scum-reads. That is some really nice play.) I said that you never listened to anybody else. That applies to every game I've seen you play. It's either your lynch or fuck off. The better players' opinion does not matter. I have explained myself. "Your vote was worse so my awful contradiction doesn't mean anything!" You actually have zero self-conscience. This is a complete twist of what I said. Show nested quote +You still have not explained how "I don't scum-read him" and "he scum-claimed" make any sense. Your response is just you whining about how you JUST HAD TO CHOOSE between two town-reads when you could have easily voted for a third wagon and push that? lol I said, "I think that was a scum-claim." I was not convinced it was one myself, and I did explain why I thought it was one. He had a town tone and I stated it. That was why I did not scum-read him. When I placed my vote, I had to go to class. I was not in a position to push for a third wagon. Show nested quote +HF was being considered as an option and had a brief spurt of votes on him iirc. You have no excuse to not even try and get a wagon on him going. It wasn't like anyone really town-read him at that point.
Yeah, you don't rc. He had batsnacks and Palmar's votes and that was after I voted batsnacks. He was not ever considered an option before by other players than me. I had an excuse. Show nested quote +You realise that your continued discrediting of someone you town-read is extremely anti-town and only helps the scum do their job by tearing down a town voice, right? It hasn't escaped my notice that most of your posts have the words "Calix is bad/ retarded" which is excessive even for you. Most of my posts? Not. Maybe a sixth of my posts has "X is bad". You are doing a great job of tearing down your own voice. You don't know me. You cannot judge what is excessive for me and what is not. And I never called you or anybody retarded. Show nested quote +The fact that you started renewing your "Calix sucks" tirade once I said that I find your vote scummy (in the same post where you fail to explain it, rofl) speaks volumes. If you think that this is a good push, you are fucking atrocious. And when did I stop the "Calix is bad" thing? Never.
Zero self-conscience...relevant.
That doesn't make any sense. If you think it sounded townie then it's not a scum claim. You cannot think someone legitimately scum-claimed yet think they have town-tone. I cannot imagine reading that batsnacks post, thinking "he scum-claimed in a townie way" and then voting him while not-scumreading him...that's a complete mess of a vote.
I see nothing here that shows that batsnacks was ever a better vote in your eyes compared to Palmar or Holyflare.
That's proving my point of there being existing support for a HF wagon. You vote and hope for a CFD? lmao, if you really thought that both wagons sucked then you wouldn't implicitly support them by jumping on the bandwagon.
Why do you need an excuse for your 100% valid vote? xD
You don't deny that you're discrediting a town-read, you just try to downplay how much you do it and then push it back onto me. This is a typical deflection tactic of yours - deny the act and blame the other person for doing it. That tells me that your intent is to intentionally discredit my posts.
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It's hilarious that your response to this push is to double down on the discrediting. Brilliant.
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Given that you just town-cleared me by shitty NKA and have called me obvious town all game, you can't back-track on that and call me scum so your next bet is to just call me terrible instead.
Not your best move, sweetheart.
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On October 07 2016 07:52 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Somebody NEEDS to discredit you for Christ's sake. You are pushing town and think you are doing fine.
I'm town. The only people who NEED to discredit me are the scum. You are either helping them or you're scum yourself. I don't think you're that retarded so scum is the only option left.
Town who think someone is misguided would try to persuade them. You've just insulted me the entire game and then insult me more when I (obviously) don't listen to you.
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Strong arguments. I'm convinced by the very person who has admitted to trying to discredit town-reads and who has spent a considerable amount of time doing so.
That's clearly scum-motivated.
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On October 07 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 07:57 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 07:52 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Somebody NEEDS to discredit you for Christ's sake. You are pushing town and think you are doing fine. I'm town. The only people who NEED to discredit me are the scum. You are either helping them or you're scum yourself. I don't think you're that retarded so scum is the only option left. Town who think someone is misguided would try to persuade them. You've just insulted me the entire game and then insult me more when I (obviously) don't listen to you. No, scum do NOT want to discredit you because you are doing the ML legwork for them, lmao. I am 100% helping town by discrediting you and I'm having a blast doing it. You cannot be persuaded. Face the fucking truth. I tried to get you to vote Kovath in IC, you didn't budge. I tried to get you not to vote Drizzt in 3FaS, you didn't budge. I tried to tell you that BS was not mafia, you didn't budge (and downplayed my arguments). You should listen to me. I can read.
Bullshit. You didn't try to convince me at all.
Your arguments for batsnacks were "you're voting for him so he's a ML" and "he has town tone"
That was IT.
Why would I listen to that exactly?
Come to think of it, you didn't even defend him. You just made some shitty posts where it LOOKED like you were defending him (see above) so you could try and use it for you "I told you so! Listen to me!" shtick.
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In case it wasn't bleeding obvious, I'm assuming that you've done this thing called "tried to improve your scum-game"
Which means that you get no pass for your meta. If I ignore your scum meta, your posts have been sub-par. I'll concede on your "my D1 is going to suck" pre-game point but you'd better step it up.
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You are currently faking a spastic attack, kk.
This has taken up like, two pages so I'm going to give you a break to do something else.
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On October 07 2016 08:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 08:11 Calix wrote:
You are currently faking a spastic attack, kk.
This has taken up like, two pages so I'm going to give you a break to do something else. No. Get to the bottom of this. Fucking try, FOR ONCE IN YOUR MAFIA CAREER, to look at both town and scum perspective. You have to stop slippery slop-ing by thinking that because one point may be true, then XYZ other points must be true too, and that it proves your point.
Fine, I'll hear you out. It's not like anyone else is even here to listen to us bickering.
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On October 07 2016 08:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 08:17 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 08:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 07 2016 08:11 Calix wrote:
You are currently faking a spastic attack, kk.
This has taken up like, two pages so I'm going to give you a break to do something else. No. Get to the bottom of this. Fucking try, FOR ONCE IN YOUR MAFIA CAREER, to look at both town and scum perspective. You have to stop slippery slop-ing by thinking that because one point may be true, then XYZ other points must be true too, and that it proves your point. Fine, I'll hear you out. It's not like anyone else is even here to listen to us bickering. Hear me out? I've nothing else to say. I've refuted your points. What I want is either you to continue your tunnel and realize that you fucking suck because I am town or open your eyes now. I am not leaving without that conclusion. I'm honestly mad that you sr me.
That was me going "talk about something that you want to discuss with me". You know, like scum-reads or some shit.
I lack the energy to start tunneling again now that I've stopped it, so no way.
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Given that 80% of my scum-reads involve tunneling, yes. Fatal flaw, etc etc.
If you're asking wherever my tunneling hits scum more often than the average, the answer is no.
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In other news, Palmar continues to be a complete shitter.
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On October 07 2016 08:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:Ok, ok. I will make the shittiest defense to ever have existed in the history of forum mafia. This is a defense by a bad player intended for another bad player.  rum roll*+ Show Spoiler +I know you think I'm "full of shit", but I promise you that I am town.
"I'm full of shit and I'm town."
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I'm done clogging up the thread for tonight.
I'm Calix and you're welcome.
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On October 07 2016 17:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I disagree that the calix/nu thing was obviously TvT btw. calix had a comparatively passive role in it. Which I can't fault her for but I don't think the whole thing makes her town at all.
This is Grade A bullshit.
You're telling me that actively posing a question and accusing someone based on that and tunneling is 'comparatively passive'?
If that's passive then your posts are worthy of the Pulitzer prize.
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I've decided that I'm just going to lynch among the lurkers today so Palmar works for me.
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On October 07 2016 18:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 18:31 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2016 17:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
anyone who tries to give reasons to lynch palmar is clearly not reading the thread because there is nothing new that can be added to the stuff already said about palmar.
This guy is my hero If you flip town we should probably lynch him for tmi.
Eww gross post.
On October 07 2016 18:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 17:42 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 17:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I disagree that the calix/nu thing was obviously TvT btw. calix had a comparatively passive role in it. Which I can't fault her for but I don't think the whole thing makes her town at all. This is Grade A bullshit. You're telling me that actively posing a question and accusing someone based on that and tunneling is 'comparatively passive'? If that's passive then your posts are worthy of the Pulitzer prize. "Comparatively" as in "compared to nu". Yes, you did that stuff and I never said the whole thing makes you mafia. I just feel the general procedure of the argument was nu berating you (never really understood why he felt the need to do it since apparently you are "obvious town" to him) while you just went along with the shitshow. I just don't think that makes you town.
Eww another gross post.
Why would me being "passive compared to NU" mean anything? You're not actually accusing me of being passive in general, so your comment is meaningless.
You're not accusing me of being mafia. You just FELT the need to make a comment saying that I'm less townie than NU...but you don't think it makes me scum so again, this comment is meaningless.
What the fuck was the point? All you said was "Calix is less townie than NU" but you don't think I'm mafia either so it looks like you just posted some bullshit for the sake of posting it.
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On October 07 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote:
It jives rather well with what I've been thinking about this game.
Batsnacks sounded like a townie
Oats sounds like a townie
NU sounds like a special snowflake
Grack is not as funny as I would've thought he should be, but I do like him nonetheless, for now.
Superbia is being an ass, but he does that all the time as all alignments, don't think he's been overtly scummy. One of the big milestones today is going to be whether or not he realizes what is up. If he doesn't, he needs to be dropped very low on everyone's lists when I flip town. Superbia is smart, knows me well, and a good player in general. If he votes for me when I'm town, that's super concerning.
Damdred and Stutters are players I have completely ignored.
Marv is going to drop his vote on me. If he actually stays he's 100% mafia. He reads me better than any player in the history of TL mafia, he has basically a 100% rate on figuring my alignment by day 2 when he's town. If I ever flip town, and he is still calling me mafia, he is scum. there is NO WAY AROUND IT. Thing is, I also know that he knows exactly this. He CAN'T be wrong on me, so I know he's going to end up drop his vote on me today. Depending on whether I believe the reasoning there's a tiny chance I'm wrong. But the NK, his play, his lack of enthusiasm for some things and just some tonally weird things, all point to marv-mafia. Not to mention, both HF and I picked up a townie vibe from batsnacks, and marv completely failed to recognize it. He is better at town than both of us, and that is super concerning.
JAT/Koshi/Calix <--- Three strong players who have been atrociously wrong throughout the game. There is definitely town in this group, probably even two. Whichever ones of you are town need to pull head out of asses and start playing reasonably. It is very likely that one of the townies is Koshi, because him tunneling stupid things is kind of what he does as town, the other two are slightly better so who knows.
Regarding Calix specifically, my day 1 read of her is mostly tonal. She felt very analytical and willing to try to solve the game when she was town in the last game I was with her. This contrasts her more timid and reserved tone here. I am also slightly suspicious of how she could read me so well on day 1 (against all odds she was calling me town) and then dropped it with some complete bullshit reasoning on n1, that is worrying.
This is the first time I've seen you wall-post ever.
And the first half of your reads list isn't complete shite. You've finally managed to cross that extremely low threshold set for you.
Marv isn't mafia, go focus your efforts somewhere else instead of being a moron because of META. Maybe on Stutters-Scott/ Damdred instead.
I'm insulted that you think I'm on the same level as JAT based purely on ONE GAME. That's not even meta, that's just a random fucking game.
You continued to be useless and pretty much everyone else looks more townie than you due to said uselessness and two of my scum-reads were wrong, so I decided "well fuck him anyway" and now you're being slightly less useless so who knows.
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On October 07 2016 18:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 18:50 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 18:38 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:31 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2016 17:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
anyone who tries to give reasons to lynch palmar is clearly not reading the thread because there is nothing new that can be added to the stuff already said about palmar.
This guy is my hero If you flip town we should probably lynch him for tmi. Eww gross post. On October 07 2016 18:41 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 17:42 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 17:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I disagree that the calix/nu thing was obviously TvT btw. calix had a comparatively passive role in it. Which I can't fault her for but I don't think the whole thing makes her town at all. This is Grade A bullshit. You're telling me that actively posing a question and accusing someone based on that and tunneling is 'comparatively passive'? If that's passive then your posts are worthy of the Pulitzer prize. "Comparatively" as in "compared to nu". Yes, you did that stuff and I never said the whole thing makes you mafia. I just feel the general procedure of the argument was nu berating you (never really understood why he felt the need to do it since apparently you are "obvious town" to him) while you just went along with the shitshow. I just don't think that makes you town. Eww another gross post. Why would me being "passive compared to NU" mean anything? You're not actually accusing me of being passive in general, so your comment is meaningless. You're not accusing me of being mafia. You just FELT the need to make a comment saying that I'm less townie than NU...but you don't think it makes me scum so again, this comment is meaningless. What the fuck was the point? All you said was "Calix is less townie than NU" but you don't think I'm mafia either so it looks like you just posted some bullshit for the sake of posting it. The point was very simple. People (oats I think) called your shitfight obviously TvT. I disagree with that - this should not be a reason to townread you.
Okay so you were just discrediting a town-read that Oats had even though you don't scum-read me either.
Good to know.
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