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On September 13 2016 01:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 01:42 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Vivax, who would the third scum be in your world? Fuba/Superbia/[?]
Do you believe in a full scum lurking team? Anyone who isn't in my townish pile is a possibility. I don't think you can call superbias play lurking either. But the fact that you call him a lurker when he has 12 whopping pages of filter should tell you what the effects of his posting style are on your perception (that he seems active while he isn't).
Or I just have large periods of inactivity. Though I do agree I haven't actually done thatcmuch (kinda hard with work n stuff)
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On September 13 2016 01:53 Vivax wrote:
I could also go and find a few examples of him exaggerating things to make his posts appear more sensational than they are.
For comedic effect*
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On September 13 2016 01:57 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 01:53 Vivax wrote:
I could also go and find a few examples of him exaggerating things to make his posts appear more sensational than they are. For comedic effect*
This one had one
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Vivax I rly do not understand how you are still so tunneled on me. Imo my eod was p decent and my push during the night pretty townie. I would think that there are at least a dozen targets you could look at before me
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On September 13 2016 02:02 Superbia wrote:
Vivax I rly do not understand how you are still so tunneled on me. Imo my eod was p decent and my push during the night pretty townie. I would think that there are at least a dozen targets you could look at before me
I advise you just ignore the accusations for now and proceed to comment on the other targets, you're not the only guy I'm talking about today. Read stuff on fuba for example.
YOu asked a while back "whats your opinion on fuba" or something, I post arguments for him being mafia and yet now you are only self-centered on what concerns you. That's not helping your cause.
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I like new and improved Vivax
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On September 13 2016 03:57 Palmar wrote:
I like new and improved Vivax
And fuba?
And super who's one of your top town reads?
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Hey people you can stop being lazy shits now.
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On September 13 2016 00:09 Vivax wrote:Picking up where I left yesterday, I'm snipping out one part here (when he talks about the Calix discussion, doesn't yield anything interesting). My comments are in [] brackets. Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 23:46 fuba wrote:
Morning.
Got a few minutes before work. To answer NU's questions (paraphrasing, on my phone):
Why did I vote for tt? The narrative HF originally laid out made sense to me, and then tt disappearing after it just reinforced it. At the end of the day, I could still see scum behaving as he had, so my vote didn't change. I didn't see any reason that HF exaggerating his sureness was indicative of the case being bad. Though iirc he later mentions that he no longer had a scum read (or maybe it was just a weaker scum read? Would have to look it up) on tt and was lynching for information at that point. That bugs me. Mostly because I'm not sure how much reasonably confident information we got from the lynch. Maybe that'll come to me when I reread EoD.
Who are my scum reads? I'll have to get back to you on that one. My two yesterday were you and tt, which is more that I usually have d1 XD. One was proven wrong, the other I'm currently believing is town. Have to dive some filters and probably reread EoD to develop some more.
I also have some thoughts on TW that are almost completely unrelated to this game, and actually take place in an obs QT for another game that he wasn't in as far as I remember, but there are similarities to this game and I was wondering what other people's thoughts were on it. In one of my previous town games I made a case on a suspected scum being town. In the obs QT, it was declared that I was town for doing so by most people present, even if they were unsure of me before. Does anyone feel that this could apply to TW in this game? I could try to find the game, but would have to wait until a few hours after start of day.
[The thoughts on TW are really uninformative. The argument is that anyone defending town with a case could be town, I don't even get if he's talking about TW defending Calix or TT, and fuba doesn't check it out, doesn't relate to TW's posts and mention examples of this being the case somewhere, he just puts the question out there where it will continue to not bear any fruits. This looks like a prime example of an uncontributive post being buffed with lots of words. Also it's weird he thinks finding the game will change anything about people's reads about TW]
On one hand, I understand that scum have an easy time town reading people (if they're town) because they know they're town. They know it's from a town perspective because everything has to be. On the other, why defend a high content poster once the thread starts swinging slightly against them if your goal is to get them killed? The ability to defend town is greater, but the reason for doing it seems far less so. I know that these scenarios assume tw scum and calix town, but I'm leaving out the possibility that they're both scum because that would be a hard defense of a scum buddy. Which I guess could happen, but it doesn't feel likely? The scenario feels like either both town or one scum.
[Another part that looks big but doesn't say anything. You're never going to get information speculating if somebody defending town was scum. Scum can do a bit of both in a game of a lot of players. He concludes...nothing, as expected of trying to reach a conclusion from wifom. His only goal I could see here is to slap a wall of words instead of simply saying "TW + Calix feel like T+T or T+S"]
I needed to ask because it'll be on my mind until it's resolved (think NU's lynchbait comment). Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 11:51 fuba wrote:
Unfortunately, I need to focus on schoolwork tonight. After class tomorrow, I don't work for 4 days, so my availability should open up.
I'm glad I stopped tunneling you NU, I really liked your last few posts. The stuff about a TW lynch feeling a lot like the TT lynch was exactly what I was thinking at the moment. At least as it pertains to HF. Not saying it makes him scummy, it just has the exact same feeling to it. And if you want my response to the calix NK, it's generally that very few conclusions can be drawn. That's not to say I have no ideas about why it was done, but there's no way to narrow it down from 50 possibilities to even a reasonable fraction of them, so I'm not gonna throw my speculation out there XD
Was gonna call vivax out for trying to get HF to fight his battles for him, but I reread his filter really quick and it actually seems like his read on me has been fluctuating pretty reasonably all game. Incorrect whenever he thinks I'm scum, but I can see the thought behind it, and I think I can remember the approximate timing of most of the posts and I can understand them. He doesn't really push too hard, but at least I think I can see a townie thought process.
Also, without having reread any cases on anyone, so many of TW's posts feel like posts that I make or have made as town that I have trouble really seeing him as scum. He seems better able to let himself post freely, regardless of the consequences, than I do, but I feel some kind of "bad townie" (for lack of a better term) kinship.
Oh, and I really, really wouldn't rely too much on the ghosts or speculation about it. Like, anyone who knows scott shadowed HF or whatever could have set up that little code. Scum can control the LW and scum can control the votes. I don't want to lose because we trust in something we know that scum will try to use against us.
Yay townreads! Scum will come once I have the time to reread more filters XD (should be around the second half of D2 :S) This post is mostly just here to see if he actually did any of the things he promised in the previous post which doesn't seem like he did. His NU scumread turned to town for his latest posts. Ok. What about the famous game he talked about? What about EoD and HF changing reads on TT? No delivery. Fuba mostly just talks a lot to say very little. Which doesn't surprise me cause he just pops in occasionally with probably great pressure to look super contributive, but since he's actually doing very little, he fluffs up the posts like a pro. I think we should lynch him before we lynch TW cause TW at least shows some degree of consistent presence whereas fuba is under the radar 90 % and when he shows up he throws up a post that only really talks about irrelevant stuff in an overly worded way. Scott's message is old news, and nobody is really interested in figuring out NUs alignment at this point. But I guess he felt he had to put it in there for consistency otherwise somebody could call him out for forgetting about his scumread on him. I'll be voting accordingly.
So am I posting for consistency or being inconsistent? I can't be both. You say I'm posting under intense pressure to look contributive, but there has been almost none on me the entire game (a fact that I've already mentioned I find strange).
One fact you have right: I haven't acted on things I've said I'd do. Some of those are because they feel irrelevant once I finish catching up with the thread. The others are because I legitimately have no time to do it. I keep making promises, not realizing that I can hold to them. That should change in the next few days, as I don't have to work before/after class.
It's funny that in the same post, you point out how no one wants to know my thoughts on something that happened in the thread in the past while at the same time pointing out how I'm not telling everyone all my thoughts from things in the past.
You know that if no one reacts to something I've posted, I'm incredibly likely to assume no one agrees/cares and assume that's because it's useless. So why would I go find the case I mentioned? Also gonna point out how I'm scummy for suggesting that the case might give more insight into what im saying, as well as not providing the case after no one has reacted to my post in any way for hours.
I'm scum for literally anything I post. How would town fuba act here vivax? Keeping in mind that I'm reasonably sure that you've scum read me in 100% of our games together.
Since the entire case boils down to "he isn't here a lot", I'm just gonna start being more active in the game now that I (kinda) have time to, and hopefully you'll take off your scum-tinted shades.
As for the hf EoD stuff, someone (tw?) raised a good point that scum hf gains nothing from admitting he wasn't sure about tt being scum anymore but voting for him anyway. Makes it NAI.
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So am I posting for consistency or being inconsistent? I can't be both.
When I talk about consistence I don't refer to a single aspect of it. Your presence is less consistent than TW means you are around fewer times (frequence would be a better term), but you can still be consistent with the content you post. I don't see how that's relevant either way, and how one could apply consistency to you as an entire person like you demand here.
. You say I'm posting under intense pressure to look contributive, but there has been almost none on me the entire game (a fact that I've already mentioned I find strange).
Scum is under more pressure to not get caught, there doesn't need to be actual pressure for you to feel it. If you feel it without any reason to it's more likely you're scum, town has more of an idgaf attitude.
It's funny that in the same post, you point out how no one wants to know my thoughts on something that happened in the thread in the past while at the same time pointing out how I'm not telling everyone all my thoughts from things in the past.
Yes cause you promised them and instead of talking about NU you could talk about how you feel your previous points aren't important enough to look up any more like you did when I posted this.
My guess is as town you would be more confident to post less content and be more concise. You'd post your opinions without necessarily seeing the need to make examples and promising to deliver them later. You'd quote more stuff from the thread and not be as self-centered in your arguments (for example the town-case-on-scummy-player-cause-I-did-once=town-stuff.)
Mostly I'm looking forward to see how you play when you claim to have more time. But remember that if you just play like I suggest you would as town, it won't mean you're suddenly town. Just show me how you play like you feel you want to play.
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Vivax I don't think anyone is playing again and it's sad days.
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Abstimmung - Tag 2
fuba (2): Vivax, Holyflare
Tumblewood (1): Holyflare, Palmar
Holyflare (1): Grackaroni
Damdred (1): NeverUnlucky
Not Voting (6): Skynx, Damdred, Tumblewood, fuba, Superbia, Shapelog
Im Moment werden wir fuba von dem Hotel ausschließen!
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Yeh only 24 hours in with 6 non votes is great.
Fuba's last post had a towny tone but I don't know if I'm getting wall of reasonable texted. You better solve the game if you don't want lynches fuba.
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And as for me I'm going to be doing nothing for a bit D:
Tw/fuba atm
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Damdred for me.
Could also vote Plamar and Shapelog cuz they're lurking to some extent.
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I've got the same problem as Fuba atm. I'm going to do something unheard of and shut off the mafia completely for the night so I can actually focus this time.
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5$ that Shapelog's next excuse for lurking will be "Shakespeare made a new play, and I had to go see it."
Excuses already used: Computer died and I had a fever.
Place your bets.
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Welcome to The Scum Pool. I'm your host, Tumblewood von Trapp, and here are your contestants:
Holyflare
Claim to Fame:
- has cased town for almost his entire filter
- pisses me off constantly
- believes (or pretends to believe) with absurd confidence that he has found scum!tictock based off of literally 5 posts. does not sell it as a plynch even though it is nothing more
- more concerned with pushing his lynches than thinking about them
Other Notes
(this is the section where I temper my expectations)
I am no longer 100% certain that hf is scum. I think the fact that I couldn't case him reasonably is not just a reflection on my casing ability / his skill at shitting up the thread as scum but possibly caused in part by the fact that he is maybe not scum. This might be one of those shitty tunnels like on rels in names are hard or even moreso jat game where by the end I had nearly forgotten why he was scum. the more I think about it the more I want to lynch shape or damdred over him. don't misinterpret this as me thinking he is town though because I don't.
Shapelog
Claim to Fame:
- doing almost nothing the entire game
- no one seems to want to call him out or push him for it. constantly rests in the spot of "scummy but not important right now". (this reason is twofold: first, if he were town he would more likely be pushed by scum; second, studies suggest that if shapelog ever doesn't get votes all game he is almost always scum. this is a real thing and imo valid to base reads off of.)
Other Notes
I have no real reason to believe shapelog is town besides whatever I said at the start of the game, and that read no longer holds water 5 days and 1700 posts later.
Damdred
Claim to Fame:
- being really disappointing overall. more,explanation in notes
- being everyone's second,scumread besides nu who is town,and doesn't count (yes shut up this is a legitimate read)
- has not,evaluated anyone on their mindset at all. tsk
Other Notes
no I haven't read his filter since early D1 when I felt compelled to make a reads list but you have to admit damdred has been really disappointing this game. in,his town game he tries to step up and form a town,circle and,you can-- or at least I do-- usually identify him as town if he looks really town or if,he has his head way up his ass. this game he has been going through the motions but seemingly unmotivated to actually do anything.
Palmar
Claim to Fame:
- being a lazy shit
- and an idiot
- and really annoys me by calling me useless and ignoring the hypocrisy of that given how little he and several others have done in comparison to me.
Other Notes
obviously not conclusive evidence given how lazy and idiotic palmar can be as either alignment, but it's still scum-indicative and really quite accurate.
Superbia
Claim to Fame:
- *does nothing. comes back for 15 minutes every once in a while and posts 5 times with a combined 20 words. leaves*
- stupid bad push on calix after deadline. this read applies to holyflare too to a lesser extent.
Other Notes
besides fuba who I have made a mental note to look at again and vivax who I will not, superbia rounds out our list of background-y players. I don't have very much to say about him because he has done very little to give me an opinion on him.
wow this post looks very pretty. I will do this more often. these are the five people within whom I think there are three scum. the top three are the most likely scum team. say stuff about it if you want
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wow holy shit fuba's filter is only 2 pages. this is a game changer. and half of it is discussing whether I am lynchbait and nu said this, yada yada
honestly not sure what to make of fuba at the moment. tone seems town but the content just isn't there
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