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On September 11 2016 07:17 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 07:14 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 07:08 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 07:05 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:59 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:57 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:56 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:
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Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this.
Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched.
Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point? Who are we talking about here specifically? Let's not nAMe names lets just answer honestly If someone scum scumread TT early on they're somewhat likely to join the waffling near EoD. Or dig in. What about being super paranoid about halfway through d1 hating who's joining the wagon and thinks it's to easy? Scum or town? Depends on who and what. Also actually a hard question, definitely depends on the circumstance. More specifically, the second wagon. Getting people off TT and onto a (nother) town wagon is so good for scum. I honestly don't think calix just rethinking on things is probably scum. Shows paranoia about the lynch to well to be from scum (on a first look) Is way to aggro and put themselves way to out there with Mich to hard a stance and to weird a turn to come from scum. Just ny initial take,though I think,the scum reads are off this time even from myself. Maybe. I need to sleep on it first. HF has echoed my thoughts accurately too many times for me to believe he is scum. Someone has told me before that this is a trap, though HF was town that game. I think hf is town in this situation to. Like I am in a weird position Hf, super, grac, cal, UN, super, fuba are what ant I'd think are my town reads. Paranoid of vivax but I'll,figure that out I'm suspicious of tw Palmar is Monday Sky and shape to me votes look the worst but shapes sick so want to,give him a bit of time (<3) So either its a super easy game or going to get,messy. I think that town list may be too generous. I have no idea on grac/fuba.Cal is mafia pending re-read.
This post is also puzzling as fuck. Superbia townreads HF a few posts earlier for mirroring his thoughts. Has no idea on grack fuba. That leaves Calix, whom he was scumreading, and NU, whom he TR earlier
+ Show Spoiler +On September 11 2016 06:48 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 06:31 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, you've got to interact with me if you want us to be efficient. I town-read you. Now more than ever is the time you have to collaborate with me. Wild prediction: this guy is getting shot tonight. I actually predict that the mafia'll shoot Vivax over me because he has site experience and it would be framing you, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was found riddled with bullets tomorrow morning. Both of us are so widely tr'ed that we're as close as we can get to confirmed towns in this setup. Then again, they might WIFOM and shoot someone else. Did you have both me and Vivax as townreads? Someone needs to check at some point. Tbf I just think you're town, never a lynch target, and on the wrong side of the argument.
Yet it's "too generous". Super can only think it's too generous for himself and Calix being in it? He has no idea about fuba and Grack. Overall it's a strange way to reply to such a list in such a way when you compare this to his reads. A question "why is calix town, why fuba and grack" would have appeared way more natural.
He's clearly thinking Damdred is town here, but his followup isn't "here is why I think calix is mafia take a look at it Damdred", he's perfectly content with the reply from Damdred about his fuba + grack reads.
On September 11 2016 07:19 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 07:18 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 07:17 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 07:14 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 07:08 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 07:05 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:59 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:57 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:56 Damdred wrote:
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Let's not nAMe names lets just answer honestly If someone scum scumread TT early on they're somewhat likely to join the waffling near EoD. Or dig in. What about being super paranoid about halfway through d1 hating who's joining the wagon and thinks it's to easy? Scum or town? Depends on who and what. Also actually a hard question, definitely depends on the circumstance. More specifically, the second wagon. Getting people off TT and onto a (nother) town wagon is so good for scum. I honestly don't think calix just rethinking on things is probably scum. Shows paranoia about the lynch to well to be from scum (on a first look) Is way to aggro and put themselves way to out there with Mich to hard a stance and to weird a turn to come from scum. Just ny initial take,though I think,the scum reads are off this time even from myself. Maybe. I need to sleep on it first. HF has echoed my thoughts accurately too many times for me to believe he is scum. Someone has told me before that this is a trap, though HF was town that game. I think hf is town in this situation to. Like I am in a weird position Hf, super, grac, cal, UN, super, fuba are what ant I'd think are my town reads. Paranoid of vivax but I'll,figure that out I'm suspicious of tw Palmar is Monday Sky and shape to me votes look the worst but shapes sick so want to,give him a bit of time (<3) So either its a super easy game or going to get,messy. I think that town list may be too generous. I have no idea on grac/fuba. Cal is mafia pending re-read. I talked a bit about grac earlier I n the night if you want to read that (ie pushing hf lynch etc) and give thoughts be appreciated. As for fun a I liked,his posts and he mirrored my thoughts pretty well. So there is bias there. Can't be bothered atm dude, sorry. I'll need to actually read into his past posts and meta as well, as I have no actual idea how the guy plays mafia.
What stinks to me is that super, should he legitimately be figuring out Damdred here, or actually pushing that scumread, shouldn't just be so happy to let that argument be that way without any reference to Calix whatsoever in the course of it. He just abandons it with the reply about fuba + grack, slaps down a maybe/maybe not Damdred townread, and leaves.
That his scumread died doesn't really seem to mix him up much besides commenting on it being a shit kill (why?).
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On September 13 2016 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
I actually don't hate a vivax case, must be a bus.
Are you calling me mafia?
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I'm saying i don't hate one of your cases so it must be a bus can't you read? You even quoted my post.
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On September 12 2016 23:30 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 23:20 Palmar wrote:On September 12 2016 23:13 Damdred wrote:On September 12 2016 23:09 Palmar wrote:On September 12 2016 22:52 Damdred wrote:
Eh I was starting to do some work in game but i really don't want to today, I guess i'll do it later when i feel motivated.
In any case kind of stinks that people who know me well think i would make such a bad kill as scum instead of someone who can actually get me lynched meh. That's bullshit logic Damdred. Well yeah its wifom, whatever just really don't feel up to doing anything today. Don't care (much) about lazy, care a lot about shitty logic. Its not logic its just the truth, you kill the people you think will most likely solve the game. Its not really a point either way.
And Calix was scum-reading you...
Palmar, I don't like that your only wall-post is in response to TW's shitty case. Why did you bother analyzing this post rather than the 1000+ posts before?
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I'm reading some stuff where Skynx asked Damdred what happened to his scumread on Skynx, didn't really see an answer to that, then skynx says he missed something. Did Damdred never reply to this or is it what skynx missed, maybe Damdred can enlighten me here.
On September 11 2016 22:16 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing.
That's not town. Let's say I got a train on to Super and some people followed me we kill him instead of someone who hasn't posted for 36 hours. I would be the kill almost 100% of the time D2. You are intentionally wrong sir.
I also don't get what skynx is saying here. Is he saying that if he lynched super successfully he'd have been lynched 100 % D2? Or NKd? And that's his reason for ending up on TT?
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Vivax, where were you going when you said that nobody was trying to figure out my alignment at this point?
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On September 13 2016 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
I'm saying i don't hate one of your cases so it must be a bus can't you read? You even quoted my post.
You mean you're bussing fuba cause otherwise you wouldn't like my case? Alright.
If you really want to give me a hand try to turn this into a case game (for the rest of the players) cause a lot of the discussion so far is people randomly throwing reads out there I feel, which you claimed to hate.
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On September 13 2016 01:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Vivax, where were you going when you said that nobody was trying to figure out my alignment at this point?
General consensus seems to be that you're town, which I agree with.
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On September 13 2016 01:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
I'm saying i don't hate one of your cases so it must be a bus can't you read? You even quoted my post. You mean you're bussing fuba cause otherwise you wouldn't like my case? Alright. If you really want to give me a hand try to turn this into a case game (for the rest of the players) cause a lot of the discussion so far is people randomly throwing reads out there I feel, which you claimed to hate.
Don't break my heart I was kidding.
I'll vote fuba with you. Do some more digging on skyn plz cos he's super outlier and defended tt case and didn't even realise what i was pushing tt for. Did sjyn end up voting tt?
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I also don't understand his quote either it looks like he's asking why he should oush a scum read and die d2??
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Grack better be here now and read my cases if he announced he's going to look at other people.
It's upsetting that superbia is getting free TRs left and right when anyone looking at his posts should realize they are really low quality, shallow posts. Looks like only TW is stepping aside and considering him which buys him this day at the very least.
It's not hard to do what super does and inflate filter by posting in three lines what might as well have been in a single post. He doesn't look at new things between his posts a lot of the time, he just randomly splits its content many times. Just to quote one example:
On September 11 2016 07:15 Superbia wrote:
I.e. it's all super wifom.
On September 11 2016 07:15 Superbia wrote:
Everything is wifom
He's also playing a very reactive game where he's rather going to get hung up on something somebody else posted and take a dump on it (for the good or the bad, as long as he has something to talk about).
Skimming the filter trying to find any instance of him going back, rereading something and displaying conclusions along with the appropriate quotes, it-just-doesn't-happen, while it would be scumhunting 101. He should know that he can't shape any opinion to fit his objectives with the way he's playing if he was town, and he's a capable town player usually.
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Vivax, who would the third scum be in your world? Fuba/Superbia/[?]
Do you believe in a full scum lurking team?
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Just worked 10+ hours so not gonna do shit today
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I have also done 8000% more than you this game
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This game feels so hard cause a ton of people do scummy stuff whenever I go look for it. Only guys I am able to somewhat confidently townread for now are NU, and Grack (but it's pretty heavily meta based and I didn't dive him since).
I am inclined to townread HF cause he looks genuinely interested into solving the game, but the best I can do is give him more time and hold back the paranoia cause he's just too good as scum.
I'd like to townread shapelog cause the fuba stuff started jumping to me when I found the energy to actually read his posts (which still ended up being only his last filter page and some from the early game) and he mentioned fubas flip floppy post parts, but it also felt like he was casually throwing suspicion at me at some points which seemed out of character. But other than this his early posts seemed townie to me.
I'd like to townread skynx cause he picked up on stuff that really showed he was paying attention to tiny details, but I need some stuff cleared up first, starting with the one I posted above. Most tempted to throw him into the townpile next.
These are my only townreads to semi-townreads this game. Kinda sad I can't put Damdred in here. Anyway it's the reason this game feels like a huge knot, it's super hard to go by PoE.
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You haven't really you've just mimicked my posts which is an excellent mafia strategy. Vivax has good fuba case though
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On September 13 2016 01:42 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Vivax, who would the third scum be in your world? Fuba/Superbia/[?]
Do you believe in a full scum lurking team?
Anyone who isn't in my townish pile is a possibility.
I don't think you can call superbias play lurking either. But the fact that you call him a lurker when he has 12 whopping pages of filter should tell you what the effects of his posting style are on your perception (that he seems active while he isn't).
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On September 13 2016 01:49 Holyflare wrote:
You haven't really you've just mimicked my posts which is an excellent mafia strategy. Vivax has good fuba case though
Uwot? I've made plenty of posts you agreed/sheeped. More than the opposite I feel.
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I could also go and find a few examples of him exaggerating things to make his posts appear more sensational than they are.
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