EPTOn September 11 2016 05:43 Calix wrote:
True. I am curious as to why nobody is voting TW after that though.
True. I am curious as to why nobody is voting TW after that though.
too busy yelling at me. plus I explained myself
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where tt is scum | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:49 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote Tumblewood Palmar are you even reading the game + Show Spoiler + and I know the answer is no you aren't LOL SO EDGY this is literally my town meta to a t. t for town. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:53 Superbia wrote: TW? Idk maybe it's only Calix. TW's mafia read on TT feels to half-assed. because all there is to say is "look. tt is afk." | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:58 Palmar wrote: are non-voters instamodkilled? if so switch to tumble Palmar why am I scum | ||
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I love vindication. plus this has been a good day in liquidia for me. | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:07 Superbia wrote: Oh well. At least now we have Calix and TW to lynch. I'm sorry for voting scum. next time I'll sheep scum like you | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:08 Superbia wrote: Can mafia pls nightkill me? I'm like 95% right but I really hate having to convince people or make 'cases'. you're like 95% wrong what you need to understand is that a number of townies were dumbfaces and followed scum onto a townie, while literally all of the towniest people in the game chilled off wagon. I am truly baffled how anyone could think calix or I are scum. | ||
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ok I'm done being snarky for now. just know that Hf and two people between super/damdred/palmar/shape are the scum team, and grack is #1 best townie in the game. | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:17 NeverUnlucky wrote: UPDATE -- SINCE I THINK THAT CALIX IS TOWN, I WILL MAKE A LAST WILL IN WHICH I WILL INCLUDE INFORMATION ONLY SHE CAN KNOW. SHE WILL CONFIRM THAT MY LW IS IN FACT MINE (if she is town). @scott1337 -- Do not shoot N1. Your shot is most likely going to be neutered by the Death Whisperer. the last will stuff falls into sketchy rules area that may or may not result in mid action. I'd be careful and check with a host first. and Scott should shoot Hf. something something "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" plus it means Hf won't get a chance to shoot calix | ||
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- explain from the perspective of someone who did not have their head up their ass why calix is town and was not doing anything a townie could not do - sort out the scum pool, hopefully eliminate a person - push someone from my scum pool for a lynch | ||
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me, grack, fuba, calix, NU, skynx vs shape, Hf, super, palmar with Damdred and vivax chilling on the side this is not healthy for town. I think the piece we're missing is convincing everyone who was on tictock that calix isn't mafia for being off him. I should do that sometime | ||
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First of all: It is best first to ignore the Tictock wagon/flip and to look at Calix's posting style. Look big picture. Calix posting entirely from a townie mindset. He has consistently put himself out there with his reads and has been unafraid to call out bullshit. He is willing to confront people, inquisitive, and, above all, he is so clearly trying his hardest to help town. + Show Spoiler [Some examples of what I mean] + On September 09 2016 07:31 Calix wrote: It's a PRONOUN. Bloody Hell, if you're going to start a tunnel based on this, you're going to be useless. That wasn't a misrep because I was using it to say that your point sucked, not to discredit you. Scum can only manipulate LWs twice. The game is going to go on for more than two nights. There is going to be at least one accurate LW in there, no? Don't care to look. Where did I imply this again? I forget. The point is that we can't trust the messages too much but that it's still a good idea for the dead town to try and communicate with the rest of the thread anyhow. (trying to post correct information > not trying at all) I'm not sure how saying "hey, here are some ways that the town could try to communicate info via their LWs" is a bad thing. I also didn't say "LWs are reliable" and openly said that we shouldn't trust them...which is something that you note in the rest of your post. I'm not seeing how you're concluding half the things that you are from my posts. On September 09 2016 08:11 Calix wrote: Can you cut the crap with referring to Eggy every game? Nobody here knows who you're talking about and it's petty. Pointing out fallacies =/= scum-hunting. Going "oh you misrepped me and made an appeal to emotion" isn't the same thing as detailed analysis. Vivax's post that I responded to is a MUCH better example of legit scum-hunting even if he's wrong. Maybe try emulating that instead of going "boom! Found a scum tell, gg no re" I don't agree with Damdred that he's scum-hunting. He claims to be using POE (with town-reads) but that is not the same thing imo. Otherwise not sure what he would be referring to. On September 09 2016 09:31 Calix wrote: "Doing X gets you scum-read so anyone who does X is town because scum don't want to risk the negative attention" - Isn't this argument based around WIFOM? I don't know what this site's view towards setup spec is but I consider it NAI. It's commonplace on my home site. I don't disagree with the conclusion but I dislike the reasoning. Your NU scum-read doesn't make sense. Why would the fact that I 'feel more genuine and helpful' have an impact on what NU's alignment is? You just used someone else to give a scum-read on another player. You say our entrances are the same on the 'surface level' so how do they differ underneath that then? So Damdred's a null? Not sure why you included him - why does he interest you? On September 11 2016 00:38 Calix wrote: I was asking for a case for why they thought you were scum because things like "his cases aren't as good as they are when town" aren't something I can give an opinion on because I don't know your meta. I've also explained my thought process in regards to TT which is clearly shown in my filter. I initially scum-read him, then had doubts about his static train and the people voting him and then I switched my vote after reading fuba's filter. That's also a horrible characterisation of my filter. I had scum-read Grack/ TT/ TW together earlier, then revised that when I read fuba's filter and my town-reads aren't 'wishy-washy' whatsoever. I stated who they were and why and that was that. You haven't explained how fuba is town as of yet. In fact, NOBODY has. Why is everyone just ignoring him? Also, she slipped when she talked about setup spec, saying that town had PRs. Someone who rolled town would know which town roles are in the game. That's the first thing they would check. Additionally, her LW talk seemed coming from a mafia trying to appear like he's helping town perspective. It in no way helped town. If anything, her proposition would have given mafia more freedom to frame those LWs. btw, I will not post a LW. Any LW attached to my death is a framed one. There's also the meta points that make her 100% mafia in my eyes. I will list them later if need be. @Calix, they're not the shitty meta-reads you usually get scum-read for i.e. being much less active than usual. They're actual things you've only said as scum and will only say as scum. I didn't say town had PRs to begin with. I already explained what I meant there...? You have no meta points on me. It's impossible for you to have any because you've only read ONE scum game of mine from FIVE MONTHS AGO. One game =/= meta. Again, you have no idea what my scum meta is. You're too focused on 'scum slips' which aren't scummy so I expect anything I say will be ignored by you. Honestly. On September 11 2016 03:25 Calix wrote: I answered your questions. Make better ones next time that don't require abstract answers. Your attempt at painting my response as evasive has been noted. (there are more but no one would read them all anyway) "But Tumblewood," you ask, "how can you ignore that Calix had TMI with Tictock?" Ah ha ha haaa. What a silly question. Calix didn't have TMI at all. Right here is where Calix first shows wariness of the wagon on TT. Keep in mind that before this Calix was scumreading TT. On September 11 2016 01:55 Calix wrote: Good question. I don't have a fucking clue. Grackaroni is looking townier the more he posts; nobody else scum-reads fuba; I town-read Vivax, you, Superbia, Palmar (shitty town-read but still); TT's train is shitty and if he's scum, then the scum are doing a horrendous job at diverting it (hardly anyone has questioned it which makes me wary)...I'm starting to feel like a lot of the scum are among the lurkers and I don't know how to sort them. Either that, or they are the sort who are good at looking townie on Day 1. He cites how easily the wagon formed (which is intelligent and indicative of + Show Spoiler [cough cough] + scum supporting a mislynch And right here is the dichotomy that everyone should have seen: On September 11 2016 02:31 Calix wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't copy-paste shit and why the actual fuck would anyone copy a post made in a SCUM GAME? I don't know. I just think that Tictock is going to end in a mislynch because nobody is doing anything to stop his train. Grackaroni spent more time explaining how his posts weren't defending Tictock than he actually did diverting the train and I know I am town. That can ONLY MEAN TWO THINGS: 1. He is town. 2. The entire scum team are so inactive that they don't give a fuck about stopping a lynch on their team mate. Option 1 is infinitely more likely but I'm not sure how to stop it. I'll going to reread Holyflare given that he's the only alternative at the moment and I've yet to read his filter properly. I don't really town-read him but I don't scum-read him much either. Since I town-read you, your thoughts on him? He continues for the rest of the day to support his read and try to convince town of why they should get off TT. + Show Spoiler [More support he gives this read] + On September 11 2016 03:02 Calix wrote: The whole "scum could be pushing another lynch" argument doesn't really check out with the current votes. I see nobody trying to make a push for someone who isn't TT. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and we end up CFD'ing within like, the last half an hour or so but right now? Nah. On September 11 2016 03:02 Calix wrote: Also there are more people defending the "TT is scum who his team mates don't want to risk defending" angle than there are people actually defending TT, lmao. On September 11 2016 03:16 Calix wrote: If both questions are WIFOM then how am I supposed to answer them exactly...? We don't KNOW what the scum are thinking. I am just going to the simplest conclusion of "TT is town and the scum are allowing him to get MLed" My theory only assumes that TT is town and the scum are not trying to defend him. Any other theories assume he is scum and that scum are using WIFOM in their strategies. On September 11 2016 03:48 Calix wrote: I don't. What I was saying there is that there is enough doubt about TT's alignment that scum have room to make a more coordinated defense of TT/ attack of someone else. And I don't see why they wouldn't because bussing is a horrendous scum move. Although if I'm to trust TW, you guys actually bus on D1? wtf On September 11 2016 04:28 Calix wrote: I'm not saying sheeping is bad, but when an entire train is almost entirely sheep-votes, there's a problem. Hardly anyone else has managed to get anywhere near the number of sheep votes as TT has. "guys does anyone else notice how many people wanted to sheep that wagon? isn't that a little weird to you all?" I recommend especially that you read the third quote in the spoiler. The important thing to get from this is that Calix did not have TMI by picking the correct answer out of many equally valid possibilities; he picked the simplest, most logical answer from several possibilities and was correct. How long are we going to pretend that it is scummy to be skeptical of a wagon because it formed with little resistance? That is a major trait of a mislynch. The following quote doesn't give me anything that overtly proves Calix didn't have TMI, but the vibes from it are very good. On September 11 2016 05:17 Calix wrote: I mean I can see the "scum bussing their more useless ally" as a thing but the only person who is trying to take the credit for the TT lynch is HF and if you think HF is bussing then voting HF makes more sense than voting TT by proxy. (I know you are voting HF, I am just talking generally) "all roads lead to TT being a poor vote" This right here is the last quote I'm going to give you. If this doesn't convince you that Calix didn't have TMI and was instead a townie being smart, nothing will. On September 11 2016 05:24 Calix wrote: "If I'm mafia" - Stopped reading because self-meta on your scum game is useless when you are obviously aware of it and can change how you act accordingly. And since I'm the person who is hardcore defending TT, that parenthesis part could be a subtle pocketing attempt from you. I don't think I can do anything about TT's train. Nobody seems to find anything I say worth listening to. The last line screams of trying to get people off the wagon. This was clearly not to get town cred but rather to prevent a mislynch. | ||
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grack, what are you intending? | ||
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