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On September 24 2016 08:56 DanelerH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 08:50 Calix wrote:On September 24 2016 08:47 DanelerH wrote:On September 24 2016 08:39 Calix wrote:
I daresay that cutting short a potential avenue for conversation is counterproductive to your stated aim of getting reactions. Did you get anything from Jealous and I?
@Daneler, were you going anywhere with your entrance post? All you did was agree with Jealous and point out that Stutters' entrance is odd. I use "odd" and "strange" for I find something that might warrant suspicion, so that's what I was going with. Admittedly, not a strong lead, but I was hoping it would go somewhere. The best person to make things 'go somewhere' is yourself, dear. Expecting others to do the work is never going to work out and only demonstrates a lack of initiative. Since you proposed this line of thought, why do you think scum would open a post by claiming "non-scum" over say, "town" or not claiming at all or what have you? I see no reason for Town to claim anything. They only care about getting the Mafia lynched. Mafia, however, wants Town to think they're also Town. By saying "I'm not Mafia" or "I'm Town", they can attempt to establish it early on, which is why I find it to be something that warrants suspicion.
I'm town, nice to meet ya.
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On September 24 2016 09:20 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 08:56 DanelerH wrote:On September 24 2016 08:50 Calix wrote:On September 24 2016 08:47 DanelerH wrote:On September 24 2016 08:39 Calix wrote:
I daresay that cutting short a potential avenue for conversation is counterproductive to your stated aim of getting reactions. Did you get anything from Jealous and I?
@Daneler, were you going anywhere with your entrance post? All you did was agree with Jealous and point out that Stutters' entrance is odd. I use "odd" and "strange" for I find something that might warrant suspicion, so that's what I was going with. Admittedly, not a strong lead, but I was hoping it would go somewhere. The best person to make things 'go somewhere' is yourself, dear. Expecting others to do the work is never going to work out and only demonstrates a lack of initiative. Since you proposed this line of thought, why do you think scum would open a post by claiming "non-scum" over say, "town" or not claiming at all or what have you? I see no reason for Town to claim anything. They only care about getting the Mafia lynched. Mafia, however, wants Town to think they're also Town. By saying "I'm not Mafia" or "I'm Town", they can attempt to establish it early on, which is why I find it to be something that warrants suspicion. I'm town, nice to meet ya.
Hi town. How many games have you played in and any mafia¿
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14 games. Links to all of which can be found on my profile page.
What about you? I'm not huge on looking up meta but if you end up being a stylistic player it might be worth the time.
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Nevermind, I can just look it up myself.
Calix and Xata read pretty townie to me.
Don't know about you other 3 yet.
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On September 24 2016 09:43 DoYouHas wrote:
Nevermind, I can just look it up myself.
Calix and Xata read pretty townie to me.
Don't know about you other 3 yet.
If you want to, go ahead, but my style is highly dependent on my activity level. I'm very self-aware of my meta as well, which doesnt help.
Town: more impulsive
Very likely to tunnel, especially on someone who attacks me early
Will defer to someone whose reads I respect(even if I don't think they're better than mine) when I don't know or know my lynch target won't happen.
Lately I've been very stream of conscious oriented with my posting until I get pushed for the lack of quoted cases, then I dump everything I've been thinking. Everyone realizes I was town and I get killed a night or two later.
As scum I try to emulate these things, but suck at pushing people except teammates. Haven't really played scum enough to see what other people catch me from.
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Ebwop: Agreed about Calix. Very tonal, but it feels very genuine
Too early to have much better, but I would like to talk to Jealous and DH some more.
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I think I like you as well Stutters. Good on ya.
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I'll try to get into something beyond these gut reads tomorrow, hopefully when a few more people have posted. As is I'm pretty happy with tonight. 3/5 for my town pile and 2 I need to think about and watch. Gnight.
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On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
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On September 24 2016 10:34 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 09:43 DoYouHas wrote:
Nevermind, I can just look it up myself.
Calix and Xata read pretty townie to me.
Don't know about you other 3 yet. If you want to, go ahead, but my style is highly dependent on my activity level. I'm very self-aware of my meta as well, which doesnt help. Town: more impulsive Very likely to tunnel, especially on someone who attacks me early Will defer to someone whose reads I respect(even if I don't think they're better than mine) when I don't know or know my lynch target won't happen. Lately I've been very stream of conscious oriented with my posting until I get pushed for the lack of quoted cases, then I dump everything I've been thinking. Everyone realizes I was town and I get killed a night or two later. As scum I try to emulate these things, but suck at pushing people except teammates. Haven't really played scum enough to see what other people catch me from.
Self meta drop, noted. I don't see why giving us insight into how you play is going to help us figure out your alignment in this game.
I normally see scum using this tactic to make themselves aware of their own tells when they play.
Maybe I will just skip RVS voting and go straight for you ^_^
you caught my attention hehe
P.S. activity should be a null tell for as far as I can tell.
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Hmm. Stutters actually gives some early reads, I think I jumped the gun a little bit, in #226, rarity I seen in RVS.
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I get a light town read on Calix based on #204, #207.
I'd like to hear more from Jealous, in #213, it sounds like a light scum read or suspicion on Stutter - but the way they phrase it as a question because they are confused makes me think they are hesitant on the read, just maybe?
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I think I will stick my vote on Stutter for now, they caught my interest, good point on Calix #207 on criticising the quick reaction test. Behaviourally that makes me believe there was a lack of confidence in the plan, which was pointed out in #213 by Jealous as well.
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On September 24 2016 08:52 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 08:39 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:36 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:28 Calix wrote:On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him. On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Confused as to why you would intentionally create such a scenario in the first place if you acknowledge less than 5 minutes later that it was a terrible choice. It's not like you got any smarter in between then and now. I'm older and thus wiser. The findings are TBD btw. Rest assured, I have top men on it. If you had to guess, why do you think I did it?
Underestimating your fellow players is my best guess.
On September 24 2016 10:52 Stutters695 wrote:
Ebwop: Agreed about Calix. Very tonal, but it feels very genuine
Too early to have much better, but I would like to talk to Jealous and DH some more.
I'm always open to conversation my friend.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
I second your point about meta. At the end of the day, meta is so often skewed by perspective and interpretation. While it may help in some cases, it is rarely a solid argument when trying to convince others because it boils down to "Town X wouldn't do that! They didn't do it in game Y!" and then X says "But in game Z I did that and I was town!" so on and so forth.
On September 24 2016 12:05 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
I get a light town read on Calix based on #204, #207.
I'd like to hear more from Jealous, in #213, it sounds like a light scum read or suspicion on Stutter - but the way they phrase it as a question because they are confused makes me think they are hesitant on the read, just maybe?
Not a scum read just yet. I don't crystallize or publicize my reads until I have a decent catalog of posts on which to base them, because I feel like weak pressure and baseless reads are harmful to town because they lack substance, have a higher probability of being wrong, and can lead to ML. I am just trying to get a feel for the players I am not familiar with and see what kind of person is behind the keyboard, why they say what they say, and thus look for inconsistencies in-game.
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I liked that last bit you wrote in the post. I feel the same way but I tend to be impulsive and pressurize my way into getting reads as a natural reaction when I begin playing through RVS which has lead to some results in getting activity in the game which is nice. I still have yet to see the point in the RVS in general but noticed the lack of presence of it so far here. Would like to hear the views of how you perceive RVS/what kinds of points given. This may not lead to alignment indicative posts, but gives me an understanding of where people's heads are at this point in the game.
That being said, I like how confident tone in that post, it could be from a very well seasoned player, but normally see caution amongst scum at the beginning, so I am definitely light town reading Jealous based on the #233, I also like how there is consistency on the behaviour reasoning for the post I questioned which again feels like they are not frabricating a reasoning.
Please note, my reads tend to have a dynamic flow as the game state changes so take it with a grain of salt.
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Going to the bar for a bit so don't expect a lot of activity. What is RVS
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On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this
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Hello my name is Lunatic and I have an addiction problem. I play to much mafia.
If you have have any advice for me please call me at1-999-MAFIAADDICT or leave a message at killstomanybadguys15@gmail.com
Also good morning everyone.
Also last post ftw! Obvious townie points!
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Only 60 posts i love you guys.
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I'll be trying to decide which of those shitty entries was the worst of all while waiting for my coffee, any takes?
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On September 24 2016 14:02 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
I liked that last bit you wrote in the post. I feel the same way but I tend to be impulsive and pressurize my way into getting reads as a natural reaction when I begin playing through RVS which has lead to some results in getting activity in the game which is nice. I still have yet to see the point in the RVS in general but noticed the lack of presence of it so far here. Would like to hear the views of how you perceive RVS/what kinds of points given. This may not lead to alignment indicative posts, but gives me an understanding of where people's heads are at this point in the game.
That being said, I like how confident tone in that post, it could be from a very well seasoned player, but normally see caution amongst scum at the beginning, so I am definitely light town reading Jealous based on the #233, I also like how there is consistency on the behaviour reasoning for the post I questioned which again feels like they are not frabricating a reasoning.
Please note, my reads tend to have a dynamic flow as the game state changes so take it with a grain of salt.
I don't believe in RVS for much the same reasons that I listed for reads. I will rarely if ever trust a player that votes and un-votes and re-votes multiple times per lynch cycle. Decisions like that need to be done with a firm hand, and not frivolously. Too many people playing silly pressure games can result in a ML. Mafia is a game of psychology, and voting creates social pressure on parties that may otherwise be more objective and thus could contribute to the discussion/analysis and not simply sheep or jump on a train. Not sure what you mean by the bolded above.
I'm in this as a newbie so I'm definitely not a well-seasoned player ^^ Thank you, but don't suck up to me just yet, I tend to be wrong a lot, unfortunately.
On September 24 2016 14:31 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this
I would appreciate some elaboration on this.
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