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Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
September 24 2016 12:20 GMT
#261
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
[quote]

To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.

I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.


That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.

Why woudln't I do such a thing ?
So apparently you think I'm scum ?


No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.

Failure is not an option
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 24 2016 12:28 GMT
#262
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
[quote]
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.

I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.


That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.

Why woudln't I do such a thing ?
So apparently you think I'm scum ?


No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.


Well in my experience this attitude comes from scum more oftren than from town. But don't let me stop you from doing other stuff
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 24 2016 13:14 GMT
#263
On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.



This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.

Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.



It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.


Probably the worst post in the game so far (and definitely the worst of the opening posts). It's a wishy-washy suspicion riding on already existing suspicions. Pretty much the safest possible suspicion to make as scum, and leaves you with plenty of options to proceed (vote for him if it gains steam or forget it if not). Even the tone is so passive and uninvolved..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 24 2016 13:14 GMT
#264
##Vote: DanelerH
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 24 2016 13:19 GMT
#265
As for Stutters, he seems to be gathering attention on himself too much and too early to be a scum-lean for me. Probably town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 24 2016 13:22 GMT
#266
On September 24 2016 18:50 ptmc wrote:
My reads so far:
town lean:
Calix
Jealous

since i can agree with their reasoning

slight scum lean:
SoulEaterQUEEN, but purely based on the RVS

Stutters, see calix' post, also his mentioning of his meta rubs me the wrong way
Lunatic, since he town reads my scum lean?


I don't quite understand this part?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 24 2016 13:23 GMT
#267
On September 24 2016 22:14 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.



This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.

Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.



It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.


Probably the worst post in the game so far (and definitely the worst of the opening posts). It's a wishy-washy suspicion riding on already existing suspicions. Pretty much the safest possible suspicion to make as scum, and leaves you with plenty of options to proceed (vote for him if it gains steam or forget it if not). Even the tone is so passive and uninvolved..

True. The rest of his posts are just him responding to Calix too, so the only real post he made by himself was the one you linked. He might be scum
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 24 2016 13:30 GMT
#268
On September 24 2016 15:51 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 14:02 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
I liked that last bit you wrote in the post. I feel the same way but I tend to be impulsive and pressurize my way into getting reads as a natural reaction when I begin playing through RVS which has lead to some results in getting activity in the game which is nice. I still have yet to see the point in the RVS in general but noticed the lack of presence of it so far here. Would like to hear the views of how you perceive RVS/what kinds of points given. This may not lead to alignment indicative posts, but gives me an understanding of where people's heads are at this point in the game.

That being said, I like how confident tone in that post, it could be from a very well seasoned player, but normally see caution amongst scum at the beginning, so I am definitely light town reading Jealous based on the #233, I also like how there is consistency on the behaviour reasoning for the post I questioned which again feels like they are not frabricating a reasoning.
Please note, my reads tend to have a dynamic flow as the game state changes so take it with a grain of salt.

I don't believe in RVS for much the same reasons that I listed for reads. I will rarely if ever trust a player that votes and un-votes and re-votes multiple times per lynch cycle. Decisions like that need to be done with a firm hand, and not frivolously. Too many people playing silly pressure games can result in a ML. Mafia is a game of psychology, and voting creates social pressure on parties that may otherwise be more objective and thus could contribute to the discussion/analysis and not simply sheep or jump on a train. Not sure what you mean by the bolded above.

I'm in this as a newbie so I'm definitely not a well-seasoned player ^^ Thank you, but don't suck up to me just yet, I tend to be wrong a lot, unfortunately.

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 14:31 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^


Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.

Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this


I would appreciate some elaboration on this.


Actually I'd also like some elaboration on that part, Stutters? Maybe a passive and useless thing to say, but I don't it's on the level of DanelerH's post.

In any case, this post is overall pretty much fluff. Do you have opinions outside of policy?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 24 2016 13:35 GMT
#269
On September 24 2016 22:23 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 22:14 Xatalos wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.



This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.

Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.



It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.


Probably the worst post in the game so far (and definitely the worst of the opening posts). It's a wishy-washy suspicion riding on already existing suspicions. Pretty much the safest possible suspicion to make as scum, and leaves you with plenty of options to proceed (vote for him if it gains steam or forget it if not). Even the tone is so passive and uninvolved..

True. The rest of his posts are just him responding to Calix too, so the only real post he made by himself was the one you linked. He might be scum


Yeah, he might. At least if I had to shoot someone right now, I'd choose him.

I guess you're suspicious of Lunaticman and Jealous so far? I agree they haven't really contributed anything meaningful, but is it just because of that?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 24 2016 13:43 GMT
#270
Meh, I guess there isn't really much to talk about in their filters.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 24 2016 13:44 GMT
#271
Going to be AFK for a bit, but I'll get back to you a while later, Rels.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 24 2016 13:51 GMT
#272
On September 24 2016 22:35 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 22:23 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 22:14 Xatalos wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.



This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.

Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.



It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.


Probably the worst post in the game so far (and definitely the worst of the opening posts). It's a wishy-washy suspicion riding on already existing suspicions. Pretty much the safest possible suspicion to make as scum, and leaves you with plenty of options to proceed (vote for him if it gains steam or forget it if not). Even the tone is so passive and uninvolved..

True. The rest of his posts are just him responding to Calix too, so the only real post he made by himself was the one you linked. He might be scum


Yeah, he might. At least if I had to shoot someone right now, I'd choose him.

I guess you're suspicious of Lunaticman and Jealous so far? I agree they haven't really contributed anything meaningful, but is it just because of that?

Yep.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 24 2016 14:07 GMT
#273
On September 24 2016 19:48 Rels wrote:
ptmc is this your first game ever of forum mafia ?


yes
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 24 2016 14:10 GMT
#274
On September 24 2016 22:22 Xatalos wrote:
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On September 24 2016 18:50 ptmc wrote:
My reads so far:
town lean:
Calix
Jealous

since i can agree with their reasoning

slight scum lean:
SoulEaterQUEEN, but purely based on the RVS

Stutters, see calix' post, also his mentioning of his meta rubs me the wrong way
Lunatic, since he town reads my scum lean?


I don't quite understand this part?


Ok, maybe a scum lean is too harsh. But I see no point in having a random vote as town, while for scum it leaves easy outs if it's a ML and you don't have to actually base your vote on any arguments, making it easier to lynch a town.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 24 2016 14:20 GMT
#275
On September 24 2016 22:51 Rels wrote:
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On September 24 2016 22:35 Xatalos wrote:
On September 24 2016 22:23 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 22:14 Xatalos wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.



This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.

Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.



It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.


Probably the worst post in the game so far (and definitely the worst of the opening posts). It's a wishy-washy suspicion riding on already existing suspicions. Pretty much the safest possible suspicion to make as scum, and leaves you with plenty of options to proceed (vote for him if it gains steam or forget it if not). Even the tone is so passive and uninvolved..

True. The rest of his posts are just him responding to Calix too, so the only real post he made by himself was the one you linked. He might be scum


Yeah, he might. At least if I had to shoot someone right now, I'd choose him.

I guess you're suspicious of Lunaticman and Jealous so far? I agree they haven't really contributed anything meaningful, but is it just because of that?

Yep.


Ok Well, I guess that's not the worst reason...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 24 2016 14:22 GMT
#276
On September 24 2016 23:10 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 22:22 Xatalos wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:50 ptmc wrote:
My reads so far:
town lean:
Calix
Jealous

since i can agree with their reasoning

slight scum lean:
SoulEaterQUEEN, but purely based on the RVS

Stutters, see calix' post, also his mentioning of his meta rubs me the wrong way
Lunatic, since he town reads my scum lean?


I don't quite understand this part?


Ok, maybe a scum lean is too harsh. But I see no point in having a random vote as town, while for scum it leaves easy outs if it's a ML and you don't have to actually base your vote on any arguments, making it easier to lynch a town.


Hm. I guess that kind of makes sense. Although it's pretty much impossible for scum to just leave a random vote up without any follow-up anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 24 2016 14:43 GMT
#277
Why exactly did you have a townread on Jealous, ptmc? And what did you think of DanelerH?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
DanelerH
Profile Joined August 2016
96 Posts
September 24 2016 14:47 GMT
#278
On September 24 2016 22:14 Xatalos wrote:
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On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.



This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.

Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.



It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.


Probably the worst post in the game so far (and definitely the worst of the opening posts). It's a wishy-washy suspicion riding on already existing suspicions. Pretty much the safest possible suspicion to make as scum, and leaves you with plenty of options to proceed (vote for him if it gains steam or forget it if not). Even the tone is so passive and uninvolved..


While that would the the stance from a Mafia perspective, there's also a similar stance from a Town perspective. I agreed with the suspicion on Shutter and I was suspicious of xym for another reason, so I included that in my post.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 24 2016 14:52 GMT
#279
On September 24 2016 23:22 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 23:10 ptmc wrote:
On September 24 2016 22:22 Xatalos wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:50 ptmc wrote:
My reads so far:
town lean:
Calix
Jealous

since i can agree with their reasoning

slight scum lean:
SoulEaterQUEEN, but purely based on the RVS

Stutters, see calix' post, also his mentioning of his meta rubs me the wrong way
Lunatic, since he town reads my scum lean?


I don't quite understand this part?


Ok, maybe a scum lean is too harsh. But I see no point in having a random vote as town, while for scum it leaves easy outs if it's a ML and you don't have to actually base your vote on any arguments, making it easier to lynch a town.


Hm. I guess that kind of makes sense. Although it's pretty much impossible for scum to just leave a random vote up without any follow-up anyway.


Sure. But even if it doesn't result in a lynch, a random vote in the first day would leave one vote with no AI at all when analyzed later in the game, still only benefiting scum and not town.

On September 24 2016 23:43 Xatalos wrote:
Why exactly did you have a townread on Jealous, ptmc? And what did you think of DanelerH?


My town read on Jealous is mostly tone, and i could follow his train of thought. DanelerH is highly inconclusive to me.
DanelerH
Profile Joined August 2016
96 Posts
September 24 2016 14:53 GMT
#280
I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
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On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:

On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
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On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.


On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
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On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.

I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.


That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.


On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
[quote]
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.

I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.


That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.

Why woudln't I do such a thing ?
So apparently you think I'm scum ?


No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.



There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
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