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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 08:55 GMT
#619
On August 29 2016 10:20 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 10:10 DanelerH wrote:
I don't know if this is how xe normally plays, but I am currently suspicious of Koshi. Out of 27 posts so far, 16 of them were irrelevant and uncontributive. Out of the 11 that are a bit more contributive, two of them are cause for immediate suspicion:
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.

Or he is mafia with him!

2 found?


On August 29 2016 07:02 Koshi wrote:
If anybody is interested. I don't think Tfrel has the balls to come out and claim scum. He was superscared last game as mafia. I would be VERY surprised if he turned that around so fast.

Almost 100% lock town tbh.



Five of them are voting for Tumblewood without adding anything:
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On August 29 2016 07:07 Koshi wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.

This guy is mafia.


On August 29 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Tumblewood/Rels

prime suspects.


On August 29 2016 07:15 Koshi wrote:
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On August 29 2016 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Wait, Koshi, I thought that you were joking about Tumblewood being mafia?

Assuming that you are actually suspicious of him, why?

I don't like the read. Seems forced. Face value read.


On August 29 2016 07:17 Koshi wrote:
Maybe that isn't the best explanation but you just gotta believe.


On August 29 2016 07:20 Koshi wrote:
Ohh I know it:

He makes a really forced read on Tfrel and then adds "oh and Vivax is town" to get away with the forced read and get some extra cred.



After xyr first vote, xe almost immediately switches to someone else, then back to the first vote:
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On August 29 2016 07:52 Koshi wrote:
Going to vote Tumblewood. If he is mafia I am confirmed greatest player alive.

##unvote
##vote Tumblewood


On August 29 2016 07:59 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote disformation


Goddamn. I had spidersenses going off on one of those posts as well but ignored them. But I like that read even more than mine.


On August 29 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##Tumblewood


I am going to stick with my own read. Maybe I like it a bit more after all. Even though that were some superpoor reads from disfo.



##vote Koshi


Tell me more why those two posts cause for immediate suspicion.
+ Show Spoiler +
I had a rough thought that the two could be mafia as well, so I wasn't so off on that second post from Koshi

Scott doubts the Koshi is mafia read from Danel because he had the exact same thought as I had. This shows he in his mind believes he is town and then uses this information to call me town for thinking the same. Town mindset.


On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?

Positive mindset and is following the game closely.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 09:08 GMT
#620
On August 30 2016 17:17 Trfel wrote:
He started by checking meta on Rels and comparing that to his opening in this game, and voted for Rels. Then he said that Race Bannon could be mafia for his post about PMs. Then he said that "maybe the others have a point" about disformation not having many reads, implying that he's getting a bit suspicious of disformation. Then he says that Palmar's townread on Race Bannon makes sense, but Race Bannon is still in his mafia pool. Then he says he's down for lynching Tumblewood as well.

Then he votes for Tumblewood, with no explanation.

##vote scott31337

What in all this makes him mafia over town playing the game?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 09:08 GMT
#621
TW is always the superior lynch here.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 10:12 GMT
#626
Why tumble is mafia:

1) Worst entrance post of all:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.


2) Random reads that don't achieve anything. Stuff like this never has even a chance to advance the game:
On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia

On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:35 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia
Please explain?

nah no thanks


3)
On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote:
Tumblewood, Koshi. for me.

waitwaitwait hold on
all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia
and we're scumbuddies?
no way

When RB calls us both mafia he goes "nha we are not both mafia". But when HF or myself calls TW mafia he ignores us. This is mafia mindset.

4)
On August 29 2016 10:44 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:
On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote:
Tumblewood, Koshi. for me.

waitwaitwait hold on
all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia
and we're scumbuddies?
no way


I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post.

Willing to townlean you for this though.

thank you, I was proud of that read

What read? This implies that he reads me town.


5)
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me

mafia mindset. Lost on what to do.

6)
On August 29 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 29 2016 11:13 Tictock wrote:
On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


I hadn't noticed that everyone had posted.

Points to you for paying attention.

why is that a townlean

...

OH SHIT
tinfoil here, Scott is scum and intentionally dropping that he he's using a spreadsheet for town cred
or not, maybe

Found something to do. It is terrible. But sure, he has scott mafia now?

7)
On August 29 2016 12:23 Tumblewood wrote:
damn I have these super secret strats but they require me to read filters zzz...
maybe I'll use the super duper secret strat of sheeping someone

random nothingness that will not advance the thread ever.

8)
On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
meh I like scott now

On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
new scott > afk scott
and is also probably town

scott town?

9) I'll add that he made 4 posts about why TT is mafia. (spoiler: TT is 100% town)

10)
On August 30 2016 06:19 Tumblewood wrote:
seriously koshi you are absurdly tunneled. everything I do is scummy to you. you have literally ignored everything in the game that does not reaffirm your case on me. this is worse than I've ever seen you. usually it's at least not till d2 or you have multiple people or you notice that there are other people in the game
this is an intervention

On August 30 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote:
wowww did rb really vote koshi in the voting thread? if that doesn't change soon I will be very suspicious of rb. although for now I think this game is different from rb's other two scum games (newbie XX and idk some other game) that looked a lot like luna's town meta. maybe the metamorphosis to spambeast has changed rb's meta a lot though.
back to the koshi vote. if it's semi-serious it's bad

I am town?

11)
On August 30 2016 06:28 Tumblewood wrote:
I have a plan that is completely unrelated to everything else I've said
if you are rels, stop reading here

...

okay maybe this wasn't what I remember, but somewhere in this qt rels had a post (maybe it was this one)
Show nested quote +
RelsPerson was signed in when posted
07-21-2016
07:14 AM ET (US)
/m17 be convinced of waht you're saying
and I won't be lynched today no worries

maybe someone who is good can find this but it would be useful to look at how he planned on defending against his lynch D1 in 72hours. or we can just look at how he actually did it. if he remains afk I'll probably vote him in ~6 hours because how he reacts to pressure will be telling.

What is this even? There is a chance Rels comes in the thread posts things and then is maybe mafia? Good plan. How does this advance scumhunting or advance the thread? It is just fluff that makes it look like TW actually does something when he is not doing anything.

12)
On August 30 2016 06:37 Tumblewood wrote:
strangely I am legit considering koshi as mafia... on the other hand probably omgus

Nope I am mafia. So every post he makes I am town, even pleads to me to stop my tunnel. And then this.

13)
On August 30 2016 09:26 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 30 2016 07:55 Rels wrote:
On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment.

Spoilered road to enlightenment.
+ Show Spoiler +

I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.

Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.

So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.

What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff.

So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played:

- no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics.
- no committment to what he said.
- liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash.
- + one could go on about finding similarities.

Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia.

THE CASE ON SCOTT


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On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote:
Woohoo! Let's do this.

On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row


Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM?


Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested.

Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:24 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.

Or he is mafia with him!

2 found?


More of what I was thinking


Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once.

Low committment to his declared opinion. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.


Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.


Random low seriousness post. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.

please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?

Ah fantastic.

No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.

You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.

But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.

He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.


So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all

So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here)
and the other he starts just talking shit

Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks.

This could be a good idea.



Just for fun he checks Rels last two games.

He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded.
"Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT
"Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk.

Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:44 disformation wrote:
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?

Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays.


He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean?


I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier.

Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:07 Race Bannon wrote:
I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory.


This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP.

Did you roll mafia again?


Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
##vote disformation


Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad


His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check.

On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


Random question.

On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote:
DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone?


Useless question.

On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote:
Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland.


COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment?

On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts?


Random questions.

On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:47 disformation wrote:
Yes Vivax much town. wow.


Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else?


Random questions.

Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope .

Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town

This is a really good case

ty for getting me to actually read it. it is a pretty good case

Remember how scott was town for TW?

14)
On August 30 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
town
vivax
daneler

also probably town
hf

scummy
tt
scott?

null/don't care yet
most people

Nope he conveniently became mafia.





Lynch Tumblewood. Lynch mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 11:27 GMT
#629
On August 30 2016 20:23 disformation wrote:
@Koshi: why do you say TT is 100% town? cause TW is pushing TT and you think TW is 100% scum?

That and this TT is mafia because he is nice is the dumbest thing I ever read.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 16:44 GMT
#682
On August 30 2016 23:21 Race Bannon wrote:
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On August 29 2016 07:02 Koshi wrote:
If anybody is interested. I don't think Tfrel has the balls to come out and claim scum. He was superscared last game as mafia. I would be VERY surprised if he turned that around so fast.

Almost 100% lock town tbh.


If anything I think people make a conscious habbit of rehashing their exact behavioral pattern from their towngames, as scum, in games where the same players are present. So I remember Koshi bringing up the exact same argument about me not having the balls to do whatever I did in my scumgame. Therefore this looks more like a manipulation designed specifically for me to get a meta townread on him, bearing in mind that we've interacted enough for him to catch and try to anchor my attention in this preconceived way.
The fact that he voiced and kept claiming suspicion against me, for no reason, speaks for this as well. Anyone who says I'm scummy looks very bad, but for some reason geript is getting more votes, despite Koshi being the scummier of the two from this perspective.

It wasnt.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 16:49 GMT
#686
On August 31 2016 00:00 Vivax wrote:
Rels, TW, Scott seems like a decent, but very easy D1 guess. But it seems to be such a common opinion that there's no swag in adopting it.

Switching to TW now would mean that I admit defeat of my own case. And it can not be what must not be. Maybe on D2, but D2 will be full of wagon analysis from D1 that will change all the pieces.

I am sure the three scummers in this game have no thread presence, maybe disfo has some if he's mafia, but that's not a matter for D1. If Palmar is one of them he's in full bus mode on TW right now. TW even replied to Koshi's case "true, something something", which seems like he capitulated.

Palmar abandoned his push on geript in super lightning mode once it stopped gaining traction which I don't like at all.

So maybe there is a bit of swagger to be had still. Palmar, Tumblewood and...scott? Like Palmar didn't even spend a single post on the case on scott, maybe cause he felt like he didn't have to since it's still very much under the radar. But I feel like Palmar is mafia in this game, cause for the fact he's playing there's very little conviction behind his own arguments, and he sucked up to Koshi which is a nono for town Palmar.

I like this summary. Palmar/TW I can live with atm. Rels/Danel benched. Maybe RB?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 17:56 GMT
#738
lurking and playing dota. TW is still the best lynch.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 17:58 GMT
#740
Pretty sure you don't even understand what I wrote.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 18:50 GMT
#753
Don't go for Scott. Lynch Tumble.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 20:11 GMT
#785
On August 31 2016 04:25 Race Bannon wrote:
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On August 31 2016 02:58 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure you don't even understand what I wrote.

You were pretending to "weigh" which is scummier, Tumble or disformation, based on their addendum involving having called vivax town, and trfel breaking meta, respectively.

Don't think I was doing that.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 20:11 GMT
#787
On August 31 2016 05:10 Tictock wrote:
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On August 31 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 31 2016 01:40 DanelerH wrote:
On August 30 2016 13:03 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 30 2016 12:30 DanelerH wrote:
That reminds me. Tumblewood, in addition to Palmar, you also suspected Koshi of being Mafia. Why are they suddenly under "null/don't care yet"?

it's a weak suspicion. mostly my reaction when someone slips into the town category in my mind and then I think "oh, maybe they could be scum" or "why am I townreading them"


One more question for you, then. Why are your reads on Scott so erratic?

mostly as a result of me changing my mind based on new information brought to light


I hope you can or do explain what information was changing your mind.

A case he first didn't bother reading.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 20:12 GMT
#788
oh deadline is in 50 mins indeed. Thought it was in 2 hours.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 20:20 GMT
#797
On August 31 2016 05:16 Race Bannon wrote:
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On August 31 2016 05:12 Koshi wrote:
oh deadline is in 50 mins indeed. Thought it was in 2 hours.

Hey me too.

So what did I not understand, about that post of yours.

I was not weighing them against each other at all. And I don't remember why I said disinformation was mafia in that post but I think it had to do with something somebody else said.

But even if I did what you claim I did. Even then, I don't even see how it would or could make me mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 20:22 GMT
#800
On August 31 2016 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also not caught uo properly did anything change?

Nope
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 20:23 GMT
#803
On August 31 2016 05:23 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:22 Koshi wrote:
On August 31 2016 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also not caught uo properly did anything change?

Nope


Why did you make a new tw case when it wasn't really needed?

When? I made a scott is town case and a tw is mafia case this afternoon. That's all.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 20:26 GMT
#808
On August 31 2016 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 31 2016 05:23 Koshi wrote:
On August 31 2016 05:23 Holyflare wrote:
On August 31 2016 05:22 Koshi wrote:
On August 31 2016 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also not caught uo properly did anything change?

Nope


Why did you make a new tw case when it wasn't really needed?

When? I made a scott is town case and a tw is mafia case this afternoon. That's all.


Yes, why when it was essentially what i already said?

Because momentum was going towards a scott lynch and I felt like making a case on TW.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 20:27 GMT
#810
Initially I just wanted to make a scott is town case and see where that got me. But I got bored and made a TW is mafia case as well.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 20:28 GMT
#811
So. Are we all cool with a TW lynch? Because I want to play dota tbh.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 20:28 GMT
#812
The guy his last effort was to beg TT his biggest scumread to vote scott with him
I had a good night of sleep.
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