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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 08 2016 04:28 GMT
#9
What is the estimated game length?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 08 2016 15:09 GMT
#34
Bleh

/in

Might not be able to play depending on when it starts though, I have a few plane flights coming up.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 11 2016 15:47 GMT
#75
On August 12 2016 00:22 NocturneMage wrote:
20 plus HTS (who is tentative until signups close).

really don't have a lot of time to play but I really want to shoot both disformation and hts. especially hts.

mods, please give me a side objective that allows me to shoot one or both of these players (assuming hts is in at game start).

fuck it.

##shoot Half the Sky
##shoot disformation


edit: it would actually help if I did /in
Not tunneling you this time, promise!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-11 16:52:54
August 11 2016 16:51 GMT
#79
On August 12 2016 01:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
/out
!!!



Now we can't destroy everyone as mafia again
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 15 2016 23:44 GMT
#141
On August 16 2016 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I am not above bribery.
Only fitting given that it's the American election, I suppose...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 15 2016 23:48 GMT
#143
On August 16 2016 08:44 GlowingBear wrote:
##I announce my candidacy for the President of the United States of America

Let's do this!
Why is your campaign superior to the bribery of Grackaroni?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 17 2016 06:55 GMT
#1487
What happened to these rumors I heard about activity being down on TL.... Shapelog, you lied to me

Also, ##Apply for USSR Passport

Lunaticman, the vote manipulation in the elections gave me the opposite feelings...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 17 2016 07:18 GMT
#1491
Is anyone awake still?

Still trying to make sense of Onegu and Artanis... While Onegu's actions and specific claims seem very scummy, his play is marked by so much not caring, and Onegu tends to take his scum play relatively seriously. On the other hand, third party feels very likely.

I liked Artanis after skim reading, but then realized that he actually hasn't been doing anything. It feels like he's just trying to seem active and present but he hasn't felt invested at all. In addition to being so secretive about (seemingly) taking control of Superbia's body...

I definitely support killing Onegu with the FOX News thing. Maybe Shapelog would also qualify as anti-American...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 17 2016 07:24 GMT
#1493
On August 17 2016 16:21 disformation wrote:
imo you can only kill murricans via fox news
Doesn't say that. And the Patriot Act stated that they were investigating Americans and foreigners.

I think it would be wise to use the FOX News thing on Shapelog as well if he hasn't returned by the end of the day.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 17 2016 07:32 GMT
#1498
On August 17 2016 16:28 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2016 08:37 ritoky wrote:
Fox News!

A fair and balanced look at American society

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Fox News Offering "Legal" Assassinations:


With recent changes in American law, Fox News is offering its services to eradicate people who can be clearly proven to lack the necessary patriotism to be called an American. We have a professional who's services can be acquired if proper proof and compensation is provided to Fox News.

[image loading]

All offers can be sent to Fox News (ritoky or Palmar) along with reasoning as to why the person is not a patriot. We accept all items and money as offers for trade. Please note that your request and offer will be made public upon completion of the assassination.

read it again. litterally unpatriotic murricans.
and nsa is not fox news.
Hm, maybe I'm rules lawyering it.

"clearly proven to lack the necessary patriotism to be called an American" to me includes people who never called themselves an American to begin with, and not just fraudulent Americans. But I can see how it could be read differently.

This is more complicated than I thought
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 17 2016 07:36 GMT
#1501
On August 17 2016 16:31 disformation wrote:
also not sure why youd want to kill shape.
him not reading op propetly and getting fucked over is as nai as it gets.
Shapelog was excited for this game, and he was even talking about spamming pre-game. And so he tried to run for the USSR leader, and then vanished without doing anything else? Seems like he either is not caring and entirely uninvolved (so he should die) or AFK/useless (so he should die if he doesn't come back by the time the free KP opportunity ends).

That said I'm not actually sure if he is in America.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 17 2016 07:54 GMT
#1504
On August 17 2016 16:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2016 16:18 Trfel wrote:
Is anyone awake still?

Still trying to make sense of Onegu and Artanis... While Onegu's actions and specific claims seem very scummy, his play is marked by so much not caring, and Onegu tends to take his scum play relatively seriously. On the other hand, third party feels very likely.

I liked Artanis after skim reading, but then realized that he actually hasn't been doing anything. It feels like he's just trying to seem active and present but he hasn't felt invested at all. In addition to being so secretive about (seemingly) taking control of Superbia's body...

I definitely support killing Onegu with the FOX News thing. Maybe Shapelog would also qualify as anti-American...

How am I trying to seem active and present? What? I'm literally just popping in every now and then.
I seem to have confused you with disformation a bit maybe I need to go to bed too....

I need to rethink this. That said, why are you so content with taking Superbia's strength?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 17 2016 08:21 GMT
#1511
Yeah, I'm too tired for this I'll try and get through some more filters tomorrow. Good night.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 18 2016 23:57 GMT
#2068
##I announce my candidacy for the Chancellor of Europe
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 19 2016 17:43 GMT
#2268
On August 19 2016 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
##Vote: kitaman27

I'm fine with either Kitaman or Koshi tbh, it seems like the former might be able to get more pro-town powers which we badly need right now. So my vote goes that way, solely for mechanical reasons.
Thanks
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 19 2016 17:46 GMT
#2269
Wait, you can buy three extra votes for the European election?!?!

Good thing one of my traits is "rich"
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 19 2016 18:19 GMT
#2276
List of Suspicious People

Tumblewood + Show Spoiler +
Only focused on begging for money at the start of the game, and hasn't been doing anything since then. His activity and involvement have been greatly reduced at the same time that everyone is completely ignoring him.

Artanis + Show Spoiler +
http://puu.sh/m65Ss/2e73e123af.png

I forget how to actually make images appear, but whatever. The point is that much of the game is suspicious of Artanis, yet he has been barely caring at all, despite many people talking about actual reasons. He's just accepting it.

Shapelog + Show Spoiler +
I think he's very likely third party. He's been the most disinterested and uninvolved I've ever seen. I feel like he'd be more involved as both town and scum, since he's consistently shown that in the past. But his play feels purely reactionary and shows no motivation to actually do anything.

GlowingBear + Show Spoiler +
Vote manipulation in the election, and then choosing chaos. Then posted a bunch of useless info from random QTs. Feels like he used his NSA powers to try and compensate for his earlier actions without actually contributing.

sicklucker + Show Spoiler +
First he was defending Artanis, then attacking Artanis, then to the point of saying that if sicklucker dies, it means that Artanis is mafia and killed him, then defending Artanis again? And yet still using what he thought was (seemingly) a cop check on him?!?!!? All with zero reasoning the entire time...

Chezinu + Show Spoiler +
107% of the vote, and over Superbia. With zero explanation, zero scumhunting, zero involving the town.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 18:16 GMT
#2657
New List of Suspicious People

Tumblewood
Artanis
Skynx
Shapelog
GlowingBear
iamperfection
sicklucker
Chezinu

Can discuss reasons if necessary. Mostly the same as my previous list. Skynx added due to the QT, iamperfection added because of uninvolvement and claiming a notification. Reminds of of ritoky's play in Carol of the Bells where claiming a notification confirmed him as mafia.

Need to head out for a bit. Need to think about this Artanis lynch, the QT seems really condemning but his protesting feels much more like town!Artanis than mafia.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 20:01 GMT
#2676
Pretty happy with the Skynx lynch.

Really wish I had more time today I really don't like Artanis, but iamperfection is very likely mafia or third party, and needs to be taken care of at some point regardless.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 20:05 GMT
#2678
I really wish I had KP Kind of a boring game, I can't do anything. Was hoping to win the EU leader but even that didn't work out.

I blame Palmar for giving me a lousy role.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 20:06 GMT
#2679
On August 21 2016 05:04 Half the Sky wrote:
Trfel elaborate in 1-2 sentences your issue with Tumblewood.
His involvement is purely self-seeking, and not town seeking. Initially, he was only involved to get money for his secondary win condition. Now, he's completely uninvolved (after presumably receiving money and not being suspected).
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 20:13 GMT
#2683
On August 21 2016 05:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Dani, stop ignoring me already. ENGAGE ME.

Same goes for Trfel. This talking about me without actually talking to me is really getting on my nerves.
Wasn't aware that you were around.

I feel that your activity and involvement increased significantly when people were talking about lynching you.

How would you summarize the reasons that you are being considered for the lynch?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 20:17 GMT
#2689
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 20:25 GMT
#2693
On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 05:17 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia?

You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing.

A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use.
Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason?

There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks.

I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 21:00 GMT
#2698
On August 21 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 05:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:17 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia?

You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing.

A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use.
Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason?

There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks.

I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit.

I have been very useful since I've been suspected. This has happened in plenty of other games in which I am town; I'm commonly considered for the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch, then this cycle where I get upset/annoyed and spout out a bunch of content happens and I'm mostly treated as confirmed town for the rest of the game. You've been suspected the entire game, and haven't done anything despite that. There's a lynch up and you're still not doing anything.
I really don't understand how you can think this.

I'm very happy with the targets getting lynched. Are you not? Should I not be?

Why should I be doing anything else?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 21:26 GMT
#2720
On August 21 2016 06:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:00 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:17 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia?

You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing.

A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use.
Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason?

There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks.

I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit.

I have been very useful since I've been suspected. This has happened in plenty of other games in which I am town; I'm commonly considered for the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch, then this cycle where I get upset/annoyed and spout out a bunch of content happens and I'm mostly treated as confirmed town for the rest of the game. You've been suspected the entire game, and haven't done anything despite that. There's a lynch up and you're still not doing anything.
I really don't understand how you can think this.

I'm very happy with the targets getting lynched. Are you not? Should I not be?

Why should I be doing anything else?

You mentioned Tumblewood. In your reads he's the top person in both lists, yet you're not expanding on him at all. Your list is very long but there appears to be no hierarchy in them. You're not working to find out which are the most likely to be scum between them, or if you have, you haven't made that clear at all. Who do you want to lynch the most, and who do you think isn't actually scum? What are you doing to discern the alignments of the people in your list?

Answer: Nothing.
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:04 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:13 Half the Sky wrote:
This is what the votes look like now with 1h45 left.

Europe:
IAMP (6): disformation, HTS, Koshi, MZ, Artanis, Dandel Ion, disformation, Artanis, HTS, Trfel
Artanis (4): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, FF, sicklucker
GlowingBear (1): Rels
Damdred (0): Artanis

USA:
Skynx (8): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, Fecalfeast, MZ, Dandel Ion, Artanis, sicklucker
Trfel (1): Artanis
GlowingBear (0): disformation, HTS, Artanis
sicklucker (0): Koshi

Let's do iamp first and give artanis another day.

##unvoteeu
##vote iamp

I have done enough today. If you still scumread me you should probably just kill me now and then follow my list.
List order is player filter order.

I think that everyone on those lists is likely anti town. I'm probably wrong on a few, sure, but reasons are there and they are good, and very readily apparent from filters.

Town isn't supposed to direct town power roles.

Where are you going with this?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 21:32 GMT
#2726
On August 21 2016 06:30 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:26 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:00 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:17 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia?

You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing.

A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use.
Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason?

There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks.

I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit.

I have been very useful since I've been suspected. This has happened in plenty of other games in which I am town; I'm commonly considered for the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch, then this cycle where I get upset/annoyed and spout out a bunch of content happens and I'm mostly treated as confirmed town for the rest of the game. You've been suspected the entire game, and haven't done anything despite that. There's a lynch up and you're still not doing anything.
I really don't understand how you can think this.

I'm very happy with the targets getting lynched. Are you not? Should I not be?

Why should I be doing anything else?

You mentioned Tumblewood. In your reads he's the top person in both lists, yet you're not expanding on him at all. Your list is very long but there appears to be no hierarchy in them. You're not working to find out which are the most likely to be scum between them, or if you have, you haven't made that clear at all. Who do you want to lynch the most, and who do you think isn't actually scum? What are you doing to discern the alignments of the people in your list?

Answer: Nothing.
On August 21 2016 06:04 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:13 Half the Sky wrote:
This is what the votes look like now with 1h45 left.

Europe:
IAMP (6): disformation, HTS, Koshi, MZ, Artanis, Dandel Ion, disformation, Artanis, HTS, Trfel
Artanis (4): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, FF, sicklucker
GlowingBear (1): Rels
Damdred (0): Artanis

USA:
Skynx (8): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, Fecalfeast, MZ, Dandel Ion, Artanis, sicklucker
Trfel (1): Artanis
GlowingBear (0): disformation, HTS, Artanis
sicklucker (0): Koshi

Let's do iamp first and give artanis another day.

##unvoteeu
##vote iamp

I have done enough today. If you still scumread me you should probably just kill me now and then follow my list.
List order is player filter order.

I think that everyone on those lists is likely anti town. I'm probably wrong on a few, sure, but reasons are there and they are good, and very readily apparent from filters.

Town isn't supposed to direct town power roles.

Where are you going with this?

You're.. not doing anything. That's been the point all along. Now you're asking me "why should I put in effort to find out who is the scummiest person when they're all doing things that make them look scummy?"

Are we playing the same game?


Do you believe their is a faction called mafia? Is nationality above faction?
Artanis, if you don't think it's a problem that people like this haven't been shot yet, then I guess we aren't playing the same game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 21:33 GMT
#2727
I see no reason to try when there are so many suspicious people and none of them are dying and no one cares.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 21:59 GMT
#2773
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 26 2016 22:55 GMT
#4581
Thanks guys for the carry
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 26 2016 22:58 GMT
#4583
You don't know how frustrating it is to know that you're dying 72 hours in advance and there's nothing you can do about it

Well, okay, we probably could have had Koshi save me, but it would have put him in more risk. And as shown, I didn't consider basically anything to be worth risking Koshi
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